Houston, we have a problem...BE nic titration results

[6pointprime]

No, I listened to you very carefully. I know exactly what you said, and I agreed with you. I still agree with what you said. When I first saw someone using that word here, I did a facepalm over it. I think your misunderstanding what I just wrote. I didn't say that you called them that, I said that I understand your standpoint on it.

Apologies, I misread what you wrote....sorry about that!

 

[toto1013]

In all of our analyses (internal or independent) over the last two years we have never received a diluted batch for testing that was over 14%. We test every diluted batch and we will now post the latest independent tests online every time a new batch is run.

For clarity we will label each independent test that will match a lot number on every bottle that goes out.

Furthermore on some occasions we may run out of nicotine during a big sale at which point we may use products from other US vendors. Due to this we will also be posting random independent tests on other US vendors as well.

Please look for our current independent GC/MS reports at http://www.boxelderchemicalsupply.com/110811pgtest.pdf

Would someone explain to me how this referenced independent test tells me anything in regards to nicotine content!

 

[mlinky]

Would someone explain to me how this referenced independent test tells me anything in regards to nicotine content!

It doesn't. All it tells you is that the PG is good stuff!

 

[mgordon1100]

Would someone explain to me how this referenced independent test tells me anything in regards to nicotine content!

Am I just stupid, because I think that the referenced 14% in the same sentence means that nothing has tested over 140mg/ml. Maybe that's your point? That the sentence is hoping that people will just assume?

 

[carpedebass]

Am I just stupid, because I think that the referenced 14% in the same sentence means that nothing has tested over 140mg/ml. Maybe that's your point? That the sentence is hoping that people will just assume?

At this point, if BE were to tell me the sky is blue I'd have to go outside and check.

 

[markfm]

I believe it's this line: 54-11-5 12.78 Pyridine, 3-(1-methyl-2-pyrrolidinyl)-, (S)-
Do a search on it, and you will find nicotine, CAS Number: 54-11-5
"3-[(2S)-1-methylpyrrolidin-2-yl]pyridine " is apparently the molecular formula for nicotine, so I guess that report would lead you to the test sample being 128 mg/ml, give or take?
(Kurt or one of the other chem types would know for sure.)

 

[6pointprime]

At this point, if BE were to tell me the sky is blue I'd have to go outside and check.

What would you do if VapeTV told you that it was raining? I'd put on shorts and grab my sunglasses.

 

[chaos-7]

It's funny, my first reaction was to save a copy as well, which I did, then I wondered why I felt that urge?

This is important information that needs to be out there so others can be wary. It would be dangerous to delete this kind of information; no matter which side you're on.

So if we all act like the adults we are, and stay on topic (Yeah Christi), then this shouldn't be any problem.

I have copied,pasted and sent this to My e mail.

 

[mgordon1100]

At this point, if BE were to tell me the sky is blue I'd have to go outside and check.

You realize that you'd have to pull in a meteorologist, who will explain to you why it only appears blue. BE would be wrong again.

 

[toto1013]

Am I just stupid, because I think that the referenced 14% in the same sentence means that nothing has tested over 140mg/ml. Maybe that's your point? That the sentence is hoping that people will just assume?

My point from what I am seeing is what does a referenced independent test study in regards to a file named 110811pgtest.pdf with when I get there the only thing I can see in regards to Nicotine is a Nicotine Blend in the title.

Subject of E-mail was "Latest Test Results"

No where do I see what the lastest tests results for nicotine level are....

I believe it's this line: 54-11-5 12.78 Pyridine, 3-(1-methyl-2-pyrrolidinyl)-, (S)-
Do a search on it, and you will find nicotine, CAS Number: 54-11-5
"3-[(2S)-1-methylpyrrolidin-2-yl]pyridine " is apparently the molecular formula for nicotine, so I guess that report would lead you to the test sample being 128 mg/ml, give or take?
(Kurt or one of the other chem types would know for sure.)

Thank you so much markfm...this is what I was wanting to know. I had looked up the Pyridine to no avail. Lot of years since any chemistry here. No, don't ask me how many. Just older than dirt.

I did always function in the real world that the customer, client, etc was always right until I could prove them wrong. That I was a salesman for the entity that I worked for, and how I handled the situation could end up as a positive or a negative. From the way this situation has been handled by BE on that alone I would not be a customer.

 

[markfm]

Is VapeTV germane to this topic, other than that Cozzicon hosted a good show on the topic, a positive thing.

 

[Hoosier]

I believe it's this line: 54-11-5 12.78 Pyridine, 3-(1-methyl-2-pyrrolidinyl)-, (S)-
Do a search on it, and you will find nicotine, CAS Number: 54-11-5
"3-[(2S)-1-methylpyrrolidin-2-yl]pyridine " is apparently the molecular formula for nicotine, so I guess that report would lead you to the test sample being 128 mg/ml, give or take?
(Kurt or one of the other chem types would know for sure.)

That is what I took from it. Sample provided was about 128mg/ml and very little trace elements. So the quality of the provided sample is good.

 

[mgordon1100]

Apologies, I misread what you wrote....sorry about that!

Sorry, I nearly forgot to reply to you. No worries, no need to apologize. I can see where you can misread what I wrote. In the end, I would hope that we still agree on that single point.

 

[Spazmelda]

I think it's what someone posted above: The chemical formula for nicotine is C10H14N2, with a molecular mass of 162.23 . In proper nomenclature, nicotine is 3-(1-Methyl-2-pyrrolidinyl)pyridine.

 

[markfm]

Thanks, Hoosier -- pretty sure I was right, but an independent pair of eyes is a good thing.

 

[chaos-7]

I'm just going to play devil's advocate here to keep people on the right track. Just which part is criminal? Is it the part where they sent out some highly concentrated nic liquid, or is the part where they sent out a letter stating that could not possibly happen?

Thing is, mistakes happen all the time. Some mistakes can have very unfortunate results, while others wont cause any harm to anyone. As far as we know, this mistake didn't hurt anyone, thank God. But, they do happen. If it were criminal that they made the mistake, then is it criminal that they bottled it wrong, or criminal that they didn't test?

As far as I can tell, none of the suppliers are testing, so every single one falls under the same scrutiny as BE. Is that what you're trying to say?

They could easily be charged with criminal negligence.

 

[6pointprime]

Is VapeTV germane to this topic, other than that Cozzicon hosted a good show on the topic, a positive thing.

I think it is - a vendor making potentially dangerous product is getting support from a media source because he pays them for advertising. I think that is a very important part of this story that people know the reason why some people state the opinions that they purport to have.

 

[mgordon1100]

My point from what I am seeing is what does a referenced independent test study in regards to a file named 110811pgtest.pdf with when I get there the only thing I can see in regards to Nicotine is a Nicotine Blend in the title.

Aha! I didn't see that reference at the bottom. I stopped at the top with the first sentence, as your reference. I guess it was answered. Kind of goes to show though, that previous actions by the company have led to such distrust that even when they give you the technical information, it's glossed over. A lesson to be learned for people expecting to have a successful business. You've got to be true to your customers, or they'll turn on you. I believe Coz tried to tell Brad that at the end of the interview, in so many words.

 

[markfm]

I don't follow the chat stuff, was just following the aired show. Thanks.

 

[mlinky]

My point from what I am seeing is what does a referenced independent test study in regards to a file named 110811pgtest.pdf with when I get there the only thing I can see in regards to Nicotine is a Nicotine Blend in the title.

Subject of E-mail was "Latest Test Results"

No where do I see what the lastest tests results for nicotine level are....



Thank you so much markfm...this is what I was wanting to know. I had looked up the Pyridine to no avail. Lot of years since any chemistry here. No, don't ask me how many. Just older than dirt.

I did always function in the real world that the customer, client, etc was always right until I could prove them wrong. That I was a salesman for the entity that I worked for, and how I handled the situation could end up as a positive or a negative. From the way this situation has been handled by BE on that alone I would not be a customer.

LOL, I was reading it wrong too.