How about that squonking ??

[JC Okie]

auto versus manual....

i think what draws most to a reo is auto feed devices can be a big pita and can be unreliable. dry hits, leaking etc... auto systems are very finicky in the setup, if not set up ideally then it doesn't work ideally, it can take patience to learn to dial in your build, your draw and your wicking and until you do it can be problematic in use... auto feed can have problems keeping up with higher power, heck there are a lot of reasons why auto feed doesn't do it well enough for many people.

a reo just eliminates all of that, by manually saturating the wick and coil at will, it becomes more foolproof in setup and use for many, and auto feeding is also a help when building higher powered vapes too.

the reo removes "balance" from the equation, auto feed tanks depend on a balance of wicking and draw and power level and when out of balance can provide a crappy overall experience compared to simple foolproof manual bottom feeding...

now that being said, there have been, and even more so now in the past year especially some new devices out now that are really well designed and just work really well auto feeding. I definitely get your point of view because once you wind up having a device that vapes great and gives vapor and flavor just as good as a reo and does it consistently without having to manually feed it, then you can start to feel like squonking is unecissary extra work. I sometimes feel lazy and just grab a tank and vape away vape after vape after vape doing nothing more than pressing the fire button but I still use my reo's more than any auto feed device. I think they both have there place...

it's kind of like the difference between an automatic car and a stick shift. auto is cool because it also removes the whole "balance" from the equation... in a stick shift you have to balance road speed, rpm's and gear selection along with your needs for economy VS acceleration/deceleration, it's no wonder most cars are autos, just a go pedal and a stop pedal.

those that prefer manual cars are usually those that are performance oriented and those that really want to control everything and extract every last ounce of performance and/or economy out of there vehicle...

the difference is, when it comes to cars, most automatics work so well that it just makes sense in most cases to go automatic.... vape gear is not the same, with vape gear automatics can be finicky and problematic and cumbersome unless your willing to put the effort into learning how to set up an automatic to work right for you and the way you vape. once you do though then yeah, squonking can be extra work that can start to seem very unecissary...

in the end all that matters is that you are happy with your vape and if you can be happy with an auto feeding vape then theres nothing wrong with that

GREAT post, turbocad6. And I, too, love (and agree with) the standard vs. automatic transmission analogy.

Nice post, turbo (as usual).

Totally agree with you about the manual/automatic transmission analogy. I'm a 6-speed german manual driver by nature and I find the reo right in my wheelhouse. Apparently, that's how I roll.

My little Fiat 500 is a 5-speed stick shift and I love, love, love it. I'm definitely a standard transmission type of vaper, too. Rebuildable attys are the most fun I've had since college........

 

[Fishcakes]

Watched a video on the Gizmo. --> Shop | NatureVape .

... and after seeing 5 min of it, I turned it off. Looked at my Reo Grand; grab it, and gave it a big ol' hug. Seeing the "Gizmo" really made me appreciate my Reo Grand - the KING!

I did the same thing. Its basically a box mod with a fancy rebuildable clearo. Cant compete with a reo in MY opinion... But whatever works for OP. Just glad you found your perfect vape. Good for you mang

 

[nubcake]

After trying out a REO for almost a year and selling it, I would say the only thing i didnt like about it was the fact that squonking but submerging the coil with juice will eventually lead to the juice in the bottle being cooked. Usually happens after 2-3 ml of vaping. So I had to change wick and juice every 3 mls if i wanted that fresh taste. Also the 510 connection seemed to give off the brass taste which threw me off over time. But since there are SS 510s now, hmm tempted to get another REO.

Though still haven't solved the cooking juice issue being sucked back into the bottle. Maybe an atty with a higher feeding hole with no suck back capability and clear topcap would solve that :S

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

Though still haven't solved the cooking juice issue being sucked back into the bottle. Maybe an atty with a higher feeding hole with no suck back capability and clear topcap would solve that :S

Squonking after waiting for the coils to cool will lessen this problem (as would, you know, not submerging the coils).

Also, instead of a glass cap (although something like a IGO-W, which has a glass cap option, could be used), you could pull the dt and watch from the top to see the squonking action.

Now would be a great time to jump back in the pool. These new 510's are the cat's posterior, and the range of bf modded atties available today is stellar.

There are also new gold contacts (if yours was an older model) that help a lot with reducing buildup when using lower ohm coils and are a breeze to clean (no sanding) and maintain.

 

[nubcake]

Squonking after waiting for the coils to cool will lessen this problem (as would, you know, not submerging the coils).

Also, instead of a glass cap (although something like a IGO-W, which has a glass cap option, could be used), you could pull the dt and watch from the top to see the squonking action.

Now would be a great time to jump back in the pool. These new 510's are the cat's posterior, and the range of bf modded atties available today is stellar.

There are also new gold contacts (if yours was an older model) that help a lot with reducing buildup when using lower ohm coils and are a breeze to clean (no sanding) and maintain.

I think I misused the word "cook" the juice. Its more of when vaping certain juices, the gunk on coil will get sucked back into the bottle on top of the cooked juice.

Yea I used the REO up till the gold contacts. Hits pretty hard Will ponder more and search if theres a new bf atty I'd like to use. Then Ill get a new REO

 

[Big Hitter]

Watched a video on the Gizmo. --> Shop | NatureVape .

... and after seeing 5 min of it, I turned it off. Looked at my Reo Grand; grab it, and gave it a big ol' hug. Seeing the "Gizmo" really made me appreciate my Reo Grand - the KING!

Ya I'm not that impressed with the gizmo either, wish I didn't buy it actually it wasn't cheap. Like I said the mod isn't the magic its the tank IMO

But Ya I'm vaping my woodvil right now

 

[Chowderhead1972]

Wait...... This gizmo thing, uses a carto tank? Or a Kayfun on the 22mm version? I left the Provari/Kayfun Ecosystem of sorts to come here. I never once thought it would be a good idea to revert back. Anything involving a carto tank that doesn't involve shooting it or otherwise exploding it is a bad idea. If thought for a second that I could be pacified let alone satisfied with an 18500 and a cartotank or even the auto-feeder dujour it might be a nifty back-up to a back-up (read 3rd string device). But alas, I do not. Reos and other mechanical bottom feeders are readily available, as are parts to keep them performing exceptionally as long as that trend continues my prodigious keister will be firmly planted in ReoVille.

I'm not letting some slow speaking Englishman to woo me away from the winningest "ecosystem" to date. Best of luck selling your Gizmo.

 

[Chowderhead1972]

Ya I'm not that impressed with the gizmo either, wish I didn't buy it actually it wasn't cheap. Like I said the mod isn't the magic its the tank IMO

But Ya I'm vaping my woodvil right now

Welcome back... We all have our dalliances....
I'm glad your back..

 

[ed101z]

Wait...... This gizmo thing, uses a carto tank? Or a Kayfun on the 22mm version? I left the Provari/Kayfun Ecosystem of sorts to come here. I never once thought it would be a good idea to revert back. Anything involving a carto tank that doesn't involve shooting it or otherwise exploding it is a bad idea. If thought for a second that I could be pacified let alone satisfied with an 18500 and a cartotank or even the auto-feeder dujour it might be a nifty back-up to a back-up (read 3rd string device). But alas, I do not. Reos and other mechanical bottom feeders are readily available, as are parts to keep them performing exceptionally as long as that trend continues my prodigious keister will be firmly planted in ReoVille.

I'm not letting some slow speaking Englishman to woo me away from the winningest "ecosystem" to date. Best of luck selling your Gizmo.

I don't think the Gizmo allows you to read the resistance, and battery voltage like a Provari would. But even if it did, I still wouldn't care. I've never used a Kayfun, or Carto tanks, but spent a year using Tanks such as the AC9, AGA-T2, and RSST. This involved Mesh because of the vertical wicking. And using Mesh is a real pita because of the Hot Legs and Hot Spots. I'm so glad I don't have to mess with all that now, but did take the experience with me in building coils and wicks.

I'm even more glad I chose a Reo Grand over a Provari (came close to getting one). But after using a Reo Grand for 6 months now, I'm really not interested in anything else on the market - other than having more Reo Grands. They just work! And as we all know, they're very reliable as well. You could drop it in the bottom of a lake for 2 days; dive down to get it, and it would work after cleaning it up.

Rob puts his heart and soul into engineering the best product you can buy, and he personally handles customer service too! I'll just say this much -- if Robert O'neil doesn't make it, then it's really a no brain'er -- it's not worth having. None of us would have a problem spending $300 on more Reo Grands. We know they work great, and hold their value. But we would have a problem spending $20 on junk that doesn't work.

 

[Fuzzy Bruce]

Though still haven't solved the cooking juice issue being sucked back into the bottle. Maybe an atty with a higher feeding hole with no suck back capability and clear topcap would solve that :S

I too, as a beginning Reonaught had concerns about sucking cooked juice back into the bottle. Even noticed the color change at the halfway mark. Through trial and error, I found that by releasing the fire button a second or so before stopping my draw, the cooled off coil kept the cooking of the juice to a minimum.

 

[Train2]

This varies - a LOT - depending on the atomizer you use.
I know it happens, but with some toppers it happens MUCH MUCH more slowly... I have been refilling my bottle without a rinse, probably twice a day now, for WEEKS. And the "bottom of the barrel" has just a hint of a darker hue.
I think the "cooked juice" can be avoided if:
a) You resist squonking onto a still-hot coil (though honestly, I HAVE been hot-squonking lately)
and
b) You try a different atty - maybe one that drains more perfectly or quicker, so there's less drain back after heating?

I think I misused the word "cook" the juice. Its more of when vaping certain juices, the gunk on coil will get sucked back into the bottle on top of the cooked juice.

Yea I used the REO up till the gold contacts. Hits pretty hard Will ponder more and search if theres a new bf atty I'd like to use. Then Ill get a new REO

 

[MsLoud]

Love my Reos - I have tried far too many other setups now and spent way to much money on fails...

Though - I will say - I do love Gennys...and mesh - I really really love the vape of mesh. Hard to get right in a squonk atty I must admit,

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

Love my Reos - I have tried far too many other setups now and spent way to much money on fails...

Though - I will say - I do love Gennys...and mesh - I really really love the vape of mesh. Hard to get right in a squonk atty I must admit,

Why, there was just this thread on a bf atty with mesh wicking...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/reos-mods/645329-no-tank-noname.html

I was always a cable wrapped in wool man, myself, back with gennys. Did love the vape (but not the leaking).

 

[MsLoud]

Yes. Owned 2 of those. Was not my cup of tea. I'm a lung hitter and as much as I love small atties, the "noname/nofear" just did not fit my vaping style. Funny though, the Divo single coil in mesh with the airhole drilled out is excellent.

I need to toy around with mesh in my other Atty now....hrm

 

[Ian444]

There was a thread on that very atty here on the Reo forum some time ago, maybe 6 to 8 months ago, a few peeps gave it a go IIRC. I can't remember what the general consensus was, I think it was 50/50 (meaning great if you like mesh, but possibly with some minor drawbacks).

Back on topic, whatever keeps you off the stinkies Tim, and whatever floats your boat. Technology and design of RTA's has been evolving at a fast rate, especially in response to demand for more power handling. If you find something that works just as well, and no need to squonk, thats good, go with it.

I keep buying other gear, cheaper stuff, just to keep a finger on the pulse, and also to know what to recommend to new vapers, which sort of ends up just wasting money so far (for me). One of the best assets of a bottom fed RDA is its versatility with lots of sizes/styles to choose from, in being able to deliver a good flavorful vape across a broad range of power. But if you're an experienced vaper (I believe you are) and you know what you want, its quite possible there's an RTA out there that will deliver the exact vape you want.