I don't draw any air except what the atty holes give me when I direct draw on the 801. Dilutes the awesome vapor with extra air!
How do you inhale?
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Oh, I'm not saying that people shouldn't cough, I know many do. Like I said, I've probably got a lot less lung damage than many, since I only smoked cigs for 8 years.
I'm just saying that if inhaling a huge quantity of actual burning smoke doesn't set me off, no amount of water vapor is going to do it. Direct inhaling smoke is like training for a lung marathon. I don't care how wicked your mod is, my 2 foot hookah will leave you in the dust...
I tried direct inhaling and it seemed way to wierd and it was to hard to pull the vapor out.
Just think of it as sipping on a straw, you pull it in till you cant pull anymore than inhale..
Its funny how we all do it different..
It does, but only slightly. Looking in the mirror, a 4 second draw with an airtight seal produces the same vapor as a 5 second draw with a (very slight) gap at the corners of my lips. Both of which produce FAR more vapor than anything I can manage with mouth inhaling, at least without getting the chipmunk effect.
As far as cigarette smoke vs. vapor, I have no idea - neither one makes me cough or hurts my lungs. But my lungs have been conditioned to a far harsher type of smoke, and in larger quantities, than cigarettes produce. So maybe I've been desensitized, and I just can't feel the difference anymore...?
That's my guess, your lungs were "trained", that's why those who never smoked before cough on their first inhale, you have to condition your brain to know what's coming and how to deal with it.
Well, a quick Google search turned up the following article:
Mouth versus deep airways absorption of nicotine i...[Pharmacol Biochem Behav. 1986] - PubMed Result
The relevant quote is:
"Forty-one male and 52 female smokers were studied under normal ventilation and smoking conditions, and under high ventilation and controlled smoking conditions that restricted intake to the mouth only, with no inhalation. The major finding is that there is virtually no intake of nicotine through the buccal mucosa while smoking American cigarettes."
Basically, the nicotine in cigarette smoke is NOT absorbed through the mouth, but only through the lungs. I have no idea if this holds true for the nicotine in eliquid. But if it does, it would certainly explain why I vape so much less than the most of the folks on this forum, but still have no cravings. If you're mostly mouth-inhaling, then you're hardly getting any nicotine at all...
Mouth versus deep airways absorption of nicotine i...[Pharmacol Biochem Behav. 1986] - PubMed Result
The relevant quote is:
"Forty-one male and 52 female smokers were studied under normal ventilation and smoking conditions, and under high ventilation and controlled smoking conditions that restricted intake to the mouth only, with no inhalation. The major finding is that there is virtually no intake of nicotine through the buccal mucosa while smoking American cigarettes."
Basically, the nicotine in cigarette smoke is NOT absorbed through the mouth, but only through the lungs. I have no idea if this holds true for the nicotine in eliquid. But if it does, it would certainly explain why I vape so much less than the most of the folks on this forum, but still have no cravings. If you're mostly mouth-inhaling, then you're hardly getting any nicotine at all...
Interesting, I wonder how that works with cigars or pipes, you don't inhale them but you still get nicotine from them.
I wonder if it is the filters in the cigs that make the difference?
I wonder if it is the filters in the cigs that make the difference?
depends on which pv im using and when it likes to cut off
mostly fill the mouth then inhale, however on my 103 I draw it just str8t to the lungs because it allows me too
mostly fill the mouth then inhale, however on my 103 I draw it just str8t to the lungs because it allows me too
Mouth inhalers still get the nicotine whenever they draw the vapor into their lungs.
According to the Handbook of Substance Abuse, it's actually the tobacco:
"Nicotine is distilled from burning tobacco and is carried proximally on tar droplets which are inhaled and deposited in the small airways and alveoli. The absorption of nicotine across biologic membranes depends on pH. The pH of smoke from flue-cured tobaccos found in most cigarettes is acidic (pH 5.5). At this pH, the nicotine is primarily ionized. In this state, it does not cross membranes rapidly. Consequently, there is little buccal absorption of nicotine from cigarette smoke, even when it is held in the mouth. The pH of smoke from air-cured tobaccos, such as those in pipes, cigars, and in a few European cigarettes, is alkaline (pH 8.5), and nicotine is primarily un-ionized. Nicotine from such products is absorbed well through the mouth. When tobacco reaches the small airways and alveoli of the lung, the nicotine is absorbed rapidly, regardless of the pH of the smoke."
Source: Handbook of substance abuse ... - Google Books
So basically, with cigars, pipes, and some European cigarettes, smoke can be held in the mouth, and nicotine will still be easily absorbed into the bloodstream.
With American cigarettes, smoke must be inhaled into the lungs for the nicotine to be absorbed.
Which really makes me wonder how all you American mouth-inhalers ever managed to develop a smoking habit at all. Are you all sure you're even addicted to nicotine?
Wow, I haven't posted in this thread yet? Amazing!
I take the hit into my mouth and then take it into my lungs. I also suggest to my friends when they try it to do it the same way. I always say (like last night) "When you hit it, take it into your mouth fully first, then inhale it down your throat, otherwise it may be a little harsh to you".
I've already had three friends try it, so I've got the whole "How to do this without messing up my PV or choking yourself to death" speech memorized.
I take the hit into my mouth and then take it into my lungs. I also suggest to my friends when they try it to do it the same way. I always say (like last night) "When you hit it, take it into your mouth fully first, then inhale it down your throat, otherwise it may be a little harsh to you".
I've already had three friends try it, so I've got the whole "How to do this without messing up my PV or choking yourself to death" speech memorized.
Thanks JerseyGirl Some interesting information
I know for myself, over the years of smoking (some 30 odd years) and having quit on and off. I can lose the nicotine with not much problem. I enjoy holding a cig in my hands and I enjoy the act of inhaling and blowing smoke.
Which is what caught my interest about vaping.
I'll freely admit that for me it is more of a psychological addiction more than a physical addiction.
I know for myself, over the years of smoking (some 30 odd years) and having quit on and off. I can lose the nicotine with not much problem. I enjoy holding a cig in my hands and I enjoy the act of inhaling and blowing smoke.
Which is what caught my interest about vaping.
I'll freely admit that for me it is more of a psychological addiction more than a physical addiction.
I pull into the mouth, and then 1/2 thru the nose, and then inhale the other half.
I've actually vaped using only my nose, just as a joke, but it didn't hurt a bit. Kinda funny too.
I've actually vaped using only my nose, just as a joke, but it didn't hurt a bit. Kinda funny too.
This thread is really getting more and more interesting all the time.
Suddenly, a mystery has revealed itself to me.
I hear people talking about getting 15 or even 20 puffs on a regular cigarette.
And I'm thinking to myself, WTF?
I suck down a cigarette in somewhere between 8 and 10 drags.
I can't even imagine what you would have to do to have that thing last 15 drags.
Now I CAN imagine what those people are doing, and I seriously doubt it's direct lung inhaling.
Suddenly, a mystery has revealed itself to me.
I hear people talking about getting 15 or even 20 puffs on a regular cigarette.
And I'm thinking to myself, WTF?
I suck down a cigarette in somewhere between 8 and 10 drags.
I can't even imagine what you would have to do to have that thing last 15 drags.
Now I CAN imagine what those people are doing, and I seriously doubt it's direct lung inhaling.
I'm pretty sure you've nailed it here.
And I do believe we are taking in more vapor than the mouth inhalers.
Edit: The mouth inhalers, I like it.
Edit: Sounds kind of like knuckle draggers.
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Mouth to lung. If there is no wind, I french inhale. when exhaling I usually let it out both my mouth and nose, get great flavor that way. If I want more flavor on the inhale I put my tounge in front of the hole and let the vapor hit it directly.
You can't french inhale if you're drawing the smoke/vapor directly into your lungs.... can you?
Granted, I was never very good at french inhaling. But I'm pretty sure you need to be holding the smoke/vapor "forward" in your mouth - just behind your lips - in order to do it effectively?
Granted, I was never very good at french inhaling. But I'm pretty sure you need to be holding the smoke/vapor "forward" in your mouth - just behind your lips - in order to do it effectively?
reading through this, everyone does realise that "mouth inhalers" do inhale into their lungs right. The difference between the two is like the difference between drinking a pint and dowining it, both still get the drink into your stomach.
I just checked and the longest mouth inhale I can do is around 10 seconds, as I can continue taking vapour into my mouth while breathing, I also used to take down a cig in 10 or less drags when I felt the need.
If mouth inhalers really did get less nic, then we would have been getting less nic from analogues too, so it wouldn't manifest that we needed to vape more.
The only difference I can see mouth inhaling making to direct lung inhaling is that mouth inhalers probably do less damage to their lungs as they would have been taking in cooler smoke. Also at 26 you can add me to the "never knew such a thing as lung inhaling existed until v. recently" thing.
I just checked and the longest mouth inhale I can do is around 10 seconds, as I can continue taking vapour into my mouth while breathing, I also used to take down a cig in 10 or less drags when I felt the need.
If mouth inhalers really did get less nic, then we would have been getting less nic from analogues too, so it wouldn't manifest that we needed to vape more.
The only difference I can see mouth inhaling making to direct lung inhaling is that mouth inhalers probably do less damage to their lungs as they would have been taking in cooler smoke. Also at 26 you can add me to the "never knew such a thing as lung inhaling existed until v. recently" thing.
I had this conversation with dh last night. Dh also does mouth inhales like I do.
I seem to be seeing that people who direct inhale think that those of us with a mouth inhale are not actually inhaling.. That's not true.
There is 2 types of mouth inhaling that I've noticed- #1 is the people who just pretend smoke, they suck into their mouth, then blow out. #2 is the people who inhale a mouthful, then draw it into the lungs, then out.
I do #2, and always have. I can't direct inhale, I just don't know how.
I also suspect there is a correlation between the nic absorbing and how you inhale (as someone mentioned). It would be great if we could get a database or poll or something set up to confirm/deny.
I do a mouth inhale- smoked 1 1/2 packs/day of menthol lights- so about 18mg or so of nic. I have diluted down my juice, and am puffing away on 9mg. I haven't made a dent in my 10ml bottle of juice (vaping for 24 hours now), so I don't know how much I'm using, but it's not much. Definately no more than 2ml, probably only 1 in the 24 hrs I've been vaping. I smoked 4 analogs yesterday, at 3 hour intervals. And those were just because it seemed like I should, not because I needed it. I normally would have killed off a whole pack in that amount of time. Today, I have had 2 analogs (and I've been awake for 9 hours). Once again, just because, no real reason. I should have smoked 15 by now. I don't seem to be having withdrawls, and the analogs are starting to taste gross. Not bad for 9 mg liquid.
I seem to be seeing that people who direct inhale think that those of us with a mouth inhale are not actually inhaling.. That's not true.
There is 2 types of mouth inhaling that I've noticed- #1 is the people who just pretend smoke, they suck into their mouth, then blow out. #2 is the people who inhale a mouthful, then draw it into the lungs, then out.
I do #2, and always have. I can't direct inhale, I just don't know how.
I also suspect there is a correlation between the nic absorbing and how you inhale (as someone mentioned). It would be great if we could get a database or poll or something set up to confirm/deny.
I do a mouth inhale- smoked 1 1/2 packs/day of menthol lights- so about 18mg or so of nic. I have diluted down my juice, and am puffing away on 9mg. I haven't made a dent in my 10ml bottle of juice (vaping for 24 hours now), so I don't know how much I'm using, but it's not much. Definately no more than 2ml, probably only 1 in the 24 hrs I've been vaping. I smoked 4 analogs yesterday, at 3 hour intervals. And those were just because it seemed like I should, not because I needed it. I normally would have killed off a whole pack in that amount of time. Today, I have had 2 analogs (and I've been awake for 9 hours). Once again, just because, no real reason. I should have smoked 15 by now. I don't seem to be having withdrawls, and the analogs are starting to taste gross. Not bad for 9 mg liquid.
also wanted to add- I do mouth inhale, but there's no way I could get 20 puffs on a cig. 10 max, if 3 of them were short little puffs! I think I only normally got 7 or 8.
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