The kids of vaping always wanted the biggest cloud. That was their hype but now it's all about the juul pods and other pod systems, along with small devices. Those devices give off a small dl experience or mostly mtl. I was outside a vape shop I frequently go to yesterday about to walk in and these kids under age asked me to buy them a juul type setup and some e-liquid. I asked them to show me some cigarettes to see if I should really go and buy it for them but then came to my senses and didn't buy it for them. To me it seems like a craze with them. Even the vape shop employee who's younger than me used to use him cloud beast king at 350 watts (I don't think that's proper) on the rx 350. All I see is him vaping a juul. Then he pulls out 3 more juuls and says it's so if his battery dies he has 3 more. Pretty amazing. Is it the pod system that is causing the big cloud hype to not be as interesting to them anymore? I can't figure it out.
How is the metamorphosis happening?
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I'm no different and I'm older than dirt. I've got a aio tube, a vv tube, some mech tubes, some Yihi's, some DNA's, .... and a GX350 car battery. I use them all at different times. If for no other reason, something different. I noticed the trend too. A kid (anybody under 40 for me) was all excited to show me his pod. Inside and out! I just said "Wow! cool!". It will be back to fog machines in three months or whatever else the industry can hype. A pick-up truck used to be purely a work vehicle. A crossover used to be a station wagon but God knows they're not cool. I still don't have a man bun or a spinner so I guess I can't predict what's next. I'm already behind the curve.
IDK, the kiddos now hooked on nicotine are perhaps now looking for stealthy? And yes, the juul pod is quite the experience, or so I hear. I have no need to find out.
Also, teens love to loiter outside gas stations a lot, usually asking the regular drunk and/or homeless person to purchase them booze in return for receiving some of their own. I know I did that (not gas stations back then, but liquor stores). This started happening after my parent's booze was as watered down as I could get it. Then, in college, my roommate was from S. Carolina, their DL were exceedingly easy to modify.
I'm not boasting, Schumer, either. I'm just pointing out that most teens are way smarter than you will ever be. I am too, which is why I counsel harm reduction, you could send all the tobacco and tobacco products to the center of the sun, and teens would find a way to get it.
D'oh. Sorry. Forgot myself for a moment. Teens are teens, doing what teens do, which is trying the next Forbidden fruit. I swear, all they'd need to do is use them in science class (no nic) to demonstrate various thermal, electrical, and whatever else properties, teens would be Bored Stiff after lesson number 3.
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Also, teens love to loiter outside gas stations a lot, usually asking the regular drunk and/or homeless person to purchase them booze in return for receiving some of their own. I know I did that (not gas stations back then, but liquor stores). This started happening after my parent's booze was as watered down as I could get it. Then, in college, my roommate was from S. Carolina, their DL were exceedingly easy to modify.
I'm not boasting, Schumer, either. I'm just pointing out that most teens are way smarter than you will ever be. I am too, which is why I counsel harm reduction, you could send all the tobacco and tobacco products to the center of the sun, and teens would find a way to get it.
D'oh. Sorry. Forgot myself for a moment. Teens are teens, doing what teens do, which is trying the next Forbidden fruit. I swear, all they'd need to do is use them in science class (no nic) to demonstrate various thermal, electrical, and whatever else properties, teens would be Bored Stiff after lesson number 3.
Anna
First, the vape shop owner should have the sense to call the police over the loitering that is going on outside his shop.
It's got to be annoying as hell for customers - You know your own kids.. not strangers' so adults aren't going to be wanting to be hassled and asked to commit a crime because they happened to stop at the local vape shop.
That said, teenagers and vaping. Of course kids are going to be wanting to be cool and do whatever the in thing is.. as to why the new fad is pod mods well....
It's probably due to all the latest Schumer hype to be honest. . They want to do that "bad" thing.. and these politicians have been running around the media saying how evil pod mods are, so it's no real leap of the imagination that pod mods have become the new "in" thing to do.
When I was raising my kids, I noticed if I told them absolutely no they were more likely to want to do that thing, whatever it was.. and right now there is no shortage of politicians saying omg this is so a no..
If politicians went on t.v. saying it's not that bad, those same teens wouldn't have any desire to do it - it's just the way teens are.
So, first the evil things was blowing clouds, now it's nicotine. . And the kids are simply following the bad in the latest fad. If people stopped talking about the evil e cigarette, you wouldn't be having so much loitering around vape shops.
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IMO... when the Ecigarette became a Vape or mod.... the industry lost its way..... it became a chase for $$$ and MAX power rather than replacement for smoking...... if you want to make dollars you market to children. again those under 40. If you want children to buy you mod you add buttons and gizmos to the device. And tell them it's make them safe. And gives a better vape.
Me i get just as good a vape on my mechs if not better. As my regulated mods. Difference is with the regulated mod I don't have to be as thoughtful with the build....I can be more artfull though. Regulated you twist up some wire and push buttons till it vapes the way you want. With the mech I gotta more carefully consider the battery the balance of SA vs Mass.. heat flux to capacity. Ramp up speed ect. Because the only way to adjust a mech is to make new coil.
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Nicely connected there, Opinionated. I actually agree with you, and this is unfortunate. Schumer can create a self-fulfilling prophesy-- by condemning something for teens, he can actually create some problem in teens.
In France, where there just wasn't (and still isn't as far as I know) all this hype about teen ETOH use, it just isn't as much as an issue. Parents model responsible use habits and often will let their older teen have a small glass of wine with dinner. I'm not saying there are no alcoholics in France, but teen binge drinking patterns seem a lot different.
I think a lot of it is cultural-- this country (to me, and I for the most part did not grow up here) seems to remain tied to its puritanical roots, which often leads to acting out on the part of teens. The Amish do this fairly well by sending their young adults into the real world for a year or so, I forget at what age. Lots of the kids hate it, but the ones who wish to join this society get to experience it.
And, I have NEVER and WILL never understand the whole "You can smoke cigarettes, you can be given a gun and recruitment into an organization that will allow you to kill people if that is your desire and talent, heck, you can even vote.... but you can't drink alcohol."
This is they type of country where the rallying cry, "Protect the children!" actually leads to "The children are encouraged to act out!" and then a new generation of smokers is created. That is SO SAD. When politicians are waxing THAT lyrical about "what is dangerous" they HAVE to know what they are doing, and now I am seeing it as more DELIBERATE and that's dreadful. The democrats protecting their state's ability to tax nicotine as WELL as generate nicotine USERS.
I hate people sometimes. Well, politicians specifically, and now I'm REALLY hating Schumer. I used to think he was a blithering idiot, as well as corrupt, now it's 100% CORRUPT. I know some stories about how Dems use kids, but I'm not gonna get into it (though I do believe it, the best man at my second wedding is pretty high up in the democratic party. Once he started having fun with interns, I just couldn't be around him any more and he used to be a fun guy, who was thoroughly indoctrinated, and it's sad.
Schumer though you do NOT have to worry about the word filter, I literally have no words for you...
Anna
In France, where there just wasn't (and still isn't as far as I know) all this hype about teen ETOH use, it just isn't as much as an issue. Parents model responsible use habits and often will let their older teen have a small glass of wine with dinner. I'm not saying there are no alcoholics in France, but teen binge drinking patterns seem a lot different.
I think a lot of it is cultural-- this country (to me, and I for the most part did not grow up here) seems to remain tied to its puritanical roots, which often leads to acting out on the part of teens. The Amish do this fairly well by sending their young adults into the real world for a year or so, I forget at what age. Lots of the kids hate it, but the ones who wish to join this society get to experience it.
And, I have NEVER and WILL never understand the whole "You can smoke cigarettes, you can be given a gun and recruitment into an organization that will allow you to kill people if that is your desire and talent, heck, you can even vote.... but you can't drink alcohol."
This is they type of country where the rallying cry, "Protect the children!" actually leads to "The children are encouraged to act out!" and then a new generation of smokers is created. That is SO SAD. When politicians are waxing THAT lyrical about "what is dangerous" they HAVE to know what they are doing, and now I am seeing it as more DELIBERATE and that's dreadful. The democrats protecting their state's ability to tax nicotine as WELL as generate nicotine USERS.
I hate people sometimes. Well, politicians specifically, and now I'm REALLY hating Schumer. I used to think he was a blithering idiot, as well as corrupt, now it's 100% CORRUPT. I know some stories about how Dems use kids, but I'm not gonna get into it (though I do believe it, the best man at my second wedding is pretty high up in the democratic party. Once he started having fun with interns, I just couldn't be around him any more and he used to be a fun guy, who was thoroughly indoctrinated, and it's sad.
Schumer though you do NOT have to worry about the word filter, I literally have no words for you...
Anna
Nicely connected there, Opinionated. I actually agree with you, and this is unfortunate. Schumer can create a self-fulfilling prophesy-- by condemning something for teens, he can actually create some problem in teens.
In France, where there just wasn't (and still isn't as far as I know) all this hype about teen ETOH use, it just isn't as much as an issue. Parents model responsible use habits and often will let their older teen have a small glass of wine with dinner. I'm not saying there are no alcoholics in France, but teen binge drinking patterns seem a lot different.
I think a lot of it is cultural-- this country (to me, and I for the most part did not grow up here) seems to remain tied to its puritanical roots, which often leads to acting out on the part of teens. The Amish do this fairly well by sending their young adults into the real world for a year or so, I forget at what age. Lots of the kids hate it, but the ones who wish to join this society get to experience it.
And, I have NEVER and WILL never understand the whole "You can smoke cigarettes, you can be given a gun and recruitment into an organization that will allow you to kill people if that is your desire and talent, heck, you can even vote.... but you can't drink alcohol."
This is they type of country where the rallying cry, "Protect the children!" actually leads to "The children are encouraged to act out!" and then a new generation of smokers is created. That is SO SAD. When politicians are waxing THAT lyrical about "what is dangerous" they HAVE to know what they are doing, and now I am seeing it as more DELIBERATE and that's dreadful. The democrats protecting their state's ability to tax nicotine as WELL as generate nicotine USERS.
I hate people sometimes. Well, politicians specifically, and now I'm REALLY hating Schumer. I used to think he was a blithering idiot, as well as corrupt, now it's 100% CORRUPT. I know some stories about how Dems use kids, but I'm not gonna get into it (though I do believe it, the best man at my second wedding is pretty high up in the democratic party. Once he started having fun with interns, I just couldn't be around him any more and he used to be a fun guy, who was thoroughly indoctrinated, and it's sad.
Schumer though you do NOT have to worry about the word filter, I literally have no words for you...
Anna
As there is no point getting into some of your post as it has nothing to do with vaping, I do agree with you about this seeming to be deliberate.
You can ask any parent who has gone through the teenage years with their kids, and you know just how effective reverse psychology is.
For what purpose I don't exactly know, whether it's to help manufacture a real problem where none or very little exists so that you can have a "for the kids" reason/excuse to overtax and over regulate the industry, OR its a simple follow the money thing and if we dug into it we may find investments on Schumers and/or other politicians parts or campaign donations which would be affected by an increase in sales, (we do know Pax received almost 50 million in series c funding to help them be able to start trying an international expansion into the marketplace - not a lot but a huge influx of sales won't hurt that push to expand internationally)
Either way, I see a definite possibility of this being a deliberate action. Many people see politicians as idiots, but they arent... they are very calculating.
I think it's as simple as creating a next generation of smokers/nicotine users/vapers to tax, yes. I never understood the surveys given out to teens about use habits, and now I think I do. IF politicians go "Oh, the next generation is headed toward vaping, not smoking" then the FDA can look GREAT by "supporting" vaping over smoking, the heat not burn can continue for the tobacco companies, or vaping generally, I find it fascinating that Schumer singled out Juul pods, arguably the most popular cigalike, etc. If he holds THAT up for scrutiny, there will be more Juul users, the FDA can condemn the amount of nic in them, and tax them accordingly.
Snus is interesting here-- I think it's not big enough to garner any attention from the pols....
They get the numbers from the teens (many of them too ill informed or full of bravado to lie, though I will say that I lied on mine) and they know what to push, what to regulate, and what to tax.
I'm starting to think NOTHING is harm related in the harm reduction market. Seeing this happen to e-cigs is pretty inevitable, and everyone gets their "sin" tax, as it were. As the market changes, teens need to be informed what to get hooked on, and then the success is "measured" by the surveys on teen use being given out.... Interesting little cycle, I think.
Anna
Snus is interesting here-- I think it's not big enough to garner any attention from the pols....
They get the numbers from the teens (many of them too ill informed or full of bravado to lie, though I will say that I lied on mine) and they know what to push, what to regulate, and what to tax.
I'm starting to think NOTHING is harm related in the harm reduction market. Seeing this happen to e-cigs is pretty inevitable, and everyone gets their "sin" tax, as it were. As the market changes, teens need to be informed what to get hooked on, and then the success is "measured" by the surveys on teen use being given out.... Interesting little cycle, I think.
Anna
You said a mouthful Anna and I agree with all of it. My vote for President was meant as a repudiation of all politicians, both Democrat and Republican. I think some go to Washington with good intentions and get corrupted by the money, power, and the need to get re-elected. Then they support agendas without any regard for just doing the right thing. Since I would like to enjoy the rest of my day, I'm going to stop what could become a very long rant.
Yep. I have to stop thinking about this. I suppose the nice thing is at least our next generation of rebels can pay a hefty price to vape.
I'm going to even wonder if the FDA pushed deeming out to collect more data about what to push and what to tax, and then "look good" doing it, since teens seem more attracted to vaping than cigarettes at this point, and that the pols are simply giving themselves more time to create a dedicated group of nic users (in whatever fashion) to be taxed.
While I'm not thrilled to have been a smoker, I am GLAD to be a vaper in a time period where I still have some time to get some things together for myself, and I feel sad for those vapers who are not informed as to some of this stuff. It's not going to be like this forever, and I will repeat my statement that I'm shocked vaping remained unregulated this long. I have a feeling the government is trying to figure out what to do about the grey market from overseas, as well as being very sure of what the next generation of vapers will be looking for/liking.
Obviously, cigalikes are a great target-- the tobacco companies still get their pennies on the dollar, but most of it will be tax. Vaping other than "prescribed" ways will be discouraged, if not outlawed. I could see fines. I could see a lot of stuff.
What I can also see is that regardless of how much vaping is taxed, there are those who are ahead of the curve, and are paying attention, and those vapers will be fine, probably (just like the husband and I paid very little, comparatively, for smoking by the simple use of a totally legal electric injector machine, and bulk tobacco). There are always going to be ways to stay ahead of sin taxes, due to the complex nature of tobacco and nicotine regulation. But for the mass vaper, the type who thinks cigalikes are great, they will be taxed, as will the makers of those products, quite heavily and a lot of them will be "used" to that, as teen vapers who have to illegally obtain their vape products now. The cost will likely not seem exorbitant to the majority of them....
Anna
I'm going to even wonder if the FDA pushed deeming out to collect more data about what to push and what to tax, and then "look good" doing it, since teens seem more attracted to vaping than cigarettes at this point, and that the pols are simply giving themselves more time to create a dedicated group of nic users (in whatever fashion) to be taxed.
While I'm not thrilled to have been a smoker, I am GLAD to be a vaper in a time period where I still have some time to get some things together for myself, and I feel sad for those vapers who are not informed as to some of this stuff. It's not going to be like this forever, and I will repeat my statement that I'm shocked vaping remained unregulated this long. I have a feeling the government is trying to figure out what to do about the grey market from overseas, as well as being very sure of what the next generation of vapers will be looking for/liking.
Obviously, cigalikes are a great target-- the tobacco companies still get their pennies on the dollar, but most of it will be tax. Vaping other than "prescribed" ways will be discouraged, if not outlawed. I could see fines. I could see a lot of stuff.
What I can also see is that regardless of how much vaping is taxed, there are those who are ahead of the curve, and are paying attention, and those vapers will be fine, probably (just like the husband and I paid very little, comparatively, for smoking by the simple use of a totally legal electric injector machine, and bulk tobacco). There are always going to be ways to stay ahead of sin taxes, due to the complex nature of tobacco and nicotine regulation. But for the mass vaper, the type who thinks cigalikes are great, they will be taxed, as will the makers of those products, quite heavily and a lot of them will be "used" to that, as teen vapers who have to illegally obtain their vape products now. The cost will likely not seem exorbitant to the majority of them....
Anna
I guess that means that I'm really a kid because I'm definitely not close to 40. But I am smarter than the average kid because I'm ECF educated
young people/kids are looking for the next Trend....nothing more, nothing less, the last thing on most teens minds is to look for a harm reduction device....Schumer is Evil....has always been........Dems rely upon emotion to move the mindless masses....always have....just look at how well its working in the media
I actually think that this is kind of stupid because it doesn't come with a water bladder and the vape set up looks really crappy, all for more than $100 - which is a joke. But something like this could be done much better and would be an interesting accessory.
I could see making a backpack with (at least) a two liter water supply, a building kit like the Coilmaster ones, and draw activated vape with an air tube ending over your shoulder opposite the water tube. That would suit a certain type of young outdoorsy/sporty enthusiast.
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I remember doing the same thing for cigarettes and booze when I was underage (longer ago than I care to admit) it's nothing new.
I've cautioned before about allowing vaping to devolve into just another partisan issue. Politicians are politicians. They'll leverage anything and everything for one more vote, or one more dollar.
Schumer is (and always has been) a corporate tool. (even most Democrats don't like him) There are plenty of them on BOTH sides of the aisle.
I've cautioned before about allowing vaping to devolve into just another partisan issue. Politicians are politicians. They'll leverage anything and everything for one more vote, or one more dollar.
Schumer is (and always has been) a corporate tool. (even most Democrats don't like him) There are plenty of them on BOTH sides of the aisle.
Well Put Bob.......i agree completely
Concur also.
I'm so Libertarian that I'm not even a member of the Libertarian Party.
My 16-year old came home from school the other day and asked me if I knew anything about "JUUL things like you have." It appears the cool kidz are collecting them.
I told her that I wouldn't own one because they're stupid expensive and underpowered for my needs, but that some people are quitting smoking with them.
I'm so Libertarian that I'm not even a member of the Libertarian Party.
My 16-year old came home from school the other day and asked me if I knew anything about "JUUL things like you have." It appears the cool kidz are collecting them.
I told her that I wouldn't own one because they're stupid expensive and underpowered for my needs, but that some people are quitting smoking with them.
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