How to Get Around Future E Cig Taxes

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CMD-Ky

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Big Agriculture, Big Pharma, Big tobacco can't tax you, can't regulate you, can't jail you. Big government can do all three. I fear Big Government far more than corporations. Corporations have power because we elect corrupt politicians; the power is not an inherent property of a corporation. It is given them by the criminals that we have elected. To paraphrase the Beloved Leader, elections have consequences.

One thing I have learned since being on this forum in the last couple years is Vapors are very intelligent and very resolute. Many of us have been downtrodden through the years because of smoking. I think people are becoming well aware of whats happening in our country, and more so just by reading the legislative forums. The games that are played with ecigs have been played many times before with Big Agriculture, Big Pharma and Big Tobacco. It's about time people wake up... snooze and you lose.
 

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Corporations have power because we elect corrupt politicians; the power is not an inherent property of a corporation. It is given them by the criminals that we have elected.
When was the last time we had the chance to vote for someone who wasn't a corrupt criminal, for national or even state office in a general election?
 

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The time had to have been before we started on a path that led to governmental intrusion into every area of life. Now, consider this, a political contribution is no different than paying protection money to the mob. I pay [ooops, I mean contribute to] a politician; I get favorable regulation and government leaves me alone.

When was the last time we had the chance to vote for someone who wasn't a corrupt criminal, for national or even state office in a general election?
 

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Now, consider this, a political contribution is no different than paying protection money to the mob. I pay [ooops, I mean contribute to] a politician; I get favorable regulation and government leaves me alone.
The big corps don't settle for just being left alone any more. These days they "lobby" for regulations that make it darn near impossible for upstarts to compete with them. My sense is the entire system is like an airplane that's in an unrecoverable flat spin; it's pointless to keep wrestling with the controls.
 

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Sadly, I agree; I fear that the majority of the voting people has become so enthralled with bread and circuses that the spiral is unrecoverable. We look at Big Whatever with intense fear and hatred but continue to vote for the same extortionists each election cycle. Ahh well, it is good to be seventy, I will probably will see the ultimate end of the republic but won't have live in it for too long.

The big corps don't settle for just being left alone any more. These days they "lobby" for regulations that make it darn near impossible for upstarts to compete with them. My sense is the entire system is like an airplane that's in an unrecoverable flat spin; it's pointless to keep wrestling with the controls.
 

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You can legally by tobacco online tax free in the US if you use the right nominclature so im sure there will be a way.

I'm pretty sure this is not true. If it is, please tell us how!

I was forced into rolling my own cigarettes when I could no longer buy cigs that were not "fire safe" (I am violently allergic to something they put in there). After a giant tax hike on cigs, many others moved to RYO so the gov't saw a huge loss in tax revenue. They fixed that by hiking the tax on RYO cig tobacco by 2800% (yes, you read that right). Shortly after, they also banned online sales of cig tobacco, under the guise of "protecting the children" (supposedly kids were buying RYO tobacco on the internet because it was easier than buying cigs in stores).

Any gov't that can do all of the above can certainly make vaping supplies difficult to get and/or MUCH more expensive. The nicotine is probably what they will go after.
 

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I still roll the Wife's cigarettes and use menthol "pipe cut" tobacco, which is just cigarette tobacco in a longer cut. Still fills the tube filters the same, but substantially less expensive than cigarette cut tobacco. About $15 for a pound of "Good Stuff" pipe cut tobacco here in Ohio but a pound of the same brand cigarette cut tobacco is like $50.

If they were really trying to make an impact on youth smoking why wouldn't they also tax the pipe tobacco the same as cigarettes? Most kids I see smoking these days are buying mini cigars that are filled with true pipe style tobacco. Hmm.
 
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Time for the Tractor Supply to step up and offer "USP grade 99.9% pure nicotine insecticide" (wink wink). Guaranteed to kill even the biggest ANTZ.
I wouldn't get my hopes up that a 1000+ store corporate chain with $5+ billion in sales would buck the system like that.

The nicotine is probably what they will go after.
Indeed. Got a freezer?

Within a few weeks of successfully switching my 2PAD habit to vaping, I decided I was done paying taxes for my "sin" of consuming nicotine and have been accumulating 100mg base ever since. Other consumables like batteries, wick, resistance wire, PG, VG, and flavorings all have a plethora of other uses and will be much more difficult to regulate or tax.
 
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