How to Get Around Future E Cig Taxes

[Bad Ninja]

"The devil's greatest trick was convincing mankind he doesn't exist."
The government's greatest trick is convincing the public that their vote doesn't count.

Vote vote vote!
It's the only way we will ever win this battle.
Local elections are more important than you can ever imagine.

I hear young people every day saying "I don't vote because it doesn't matter".
Insanity.

 

[englishmick]

The time had to have been before we started on a path that led to governmental intrusion into every area of life. Now, consider this, a political contribution is no different than paying protection money to the mob. I pay [ooops, I mean contribute to] a politician; I get favorable regulation and government leaves me alone.

If we each give $100 to a pol we might get some nice lapel badges. If we each give $1,000,000 then vaping should be safe. So come on guys, reach into those pockets.

 

[AndriaD]

Sadly, I agree; I fear that the majority of the voting people has become so enthralled with bread and circuses that the spiral is unrecoverable. We look at Big Whatever with intense fear and hatred but continue to vote for the same extortionists each election cycle. Ahh well, it is good to be seventy, I will probably will see the ultimate end of the republic but won't have live in it for too long.

But that's the real problem -- we keep being given extortionists and criminals and would-be demigogues to vote for! Which tells me that the problem is in our party system and the parties themselves -- it's like they think that the only viable candidates are those who should be in prison but aren't, thanks to being rich enough to pay for the law they want, or pay their way into party recognition.

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

Defenestration is always an option.

That's exactly what needs to happen.. preferably from the tallest bldg in DC.

Andria

 

[klynnn]

It's gotten so bad in Congress they have to carry them out on a stretcher after 40 or so years. I get so disgusted after hearing of another 80 year old one biting the dust. All I can figure is the power and entitlements they seem to have is more important than a real life. I couldn't do it as I was always a lousy liar.

 

[AndriaD]

It's gotten so bad in Congress they have to carry them out on a stretcher after 40 or so years. I get so disgusted after hearing of another 80 year old one biting the dust. All I can figure is the power and entitlements they seem to have is more important than a real life. I couldn't do it as I was always a lousy liar.

I agree! They have a term limit for presidents; why don't they have one for lawmakers???

Andria

 

[tj99959]

When I started vaping (2011) the FDA was involved in a lawsuit, customs was seizing shipments, and the end of vaping was looming over our heads. 4 years later that hasn't changed much, they are just using different tactics now. Even without the tax issue, the end of vaping is still looming over our heads.

So even back then I figured it was prudent to at least learn how to become "self reliant" in case hell froze over. That meant learning how to make my own mods & atomizers, and DIY my own liquids.

At this point I fight legislation for your benefit, I can easily vape for the rest of my life without ever buying anything. I already have everything I will ever need.

 

[klynnn]

Your tax dollars at work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q

 

[CMD-Ky]

I have accumulated several liters of 10%. I also brew beer for many of the same reasons that I vape - taxes being one of several. I have 48 oz brown bottles that I fill 3/4 full and then use my bottle caps and capper to seal them. I have room Pop that liquid gold [properly labeled as poison] into the freezer and screw Big Government.

PS: I put one liter into 48 oz bottles so that when the VG thins I have room to agitate or shake the mixture completely before use.

I wouldn't get my hopes up that a 1000+ store corporate chain with $5+ billion in sales would buck the system like that.


Indeed. Got a freezer?

Within a few weeks of successfully switching my 2PAD habit to vaping, I decided I was done paying taxes for my "sin" of consuming nicotine and have been accumulating 100mg base ever since. Other consumables like batteries, wick, resistance wire, PG, VG, and flavorings all have a plethora of other uses and will be much more difficult to regulate or tax.

 

[AndriaD]

Your tax dollars at work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q

Good lord. I'm embarrassed that he's from GA.

On a brighter note... my new laptop can view videos splendidly, without all that jumping and stopping I was getting with my old XP Pro system. Yay! Now if I can just learn to type on it...

Andria

 

[CMD-Ky]

You see politicians are prostitutes and price matters.

If we each give $100 to a pol we might get some nice lapel badges. If we each give $1,000,000 then vaping should be safe. So come on guys, reach into those pockets.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Federalist Papers 10 discusses the danger of political parties.

But that's the real problem -- we keep being given extortionists and criminals and would-be demigogues to vote for! Which tells me that the problem is in our party system and the parties themselves -- it's like they think that the only viable candidates are those who should be in prison but aren't, thanks to being rich enough to pay for the law they want, or pay their way into party recognition.

Andria

 

[VapieDan]

Does anyone know where I can get freeze dried nicotine?

 

[klynnn]

No but if you find out let us know.

 

[englishmick]

But that's the real problem -- we keep being given extortionists and criminals and would-be demigogues to vote for! Which tells me that the problem is in our party system and the parties themselves -- it's like they think that the only viable candidates are those who should be in prison but aren't, thanks to being rich enough to pay for the law they want, or pay their way into party recognition.

Andria

It's the American Way. Remember a few weeks ago when the billionaires were interviewing prospective republican candidates? Who doesn't believe that if Koch had pulled out his gold plated mod at those meetings and politely asked them to lay off we wouldn't have a political party on our side now. Or Buffet on the other side.

They still need us to elect their chosen candidates though. I really believe a bunch of letters and calls can have an effect. I heard some good news about the Indiana legislation on the radio this morning. I was driving and I only got bits and pieces. I might be mistaken but it sounded like they dropped the taxation part for now, and won't be going after the hardware or classifying vaping with smoking. They are still pushing for harsh controls on the availability of juice which could shut us down if it goes.

 

[catlady60]

BT isn't really the bad guy here -- for the price of every pk of smokes, BT gets maybe 25% of that, maybe less -- the rest goes to the everlovin gov't. BT is getting into the act themselves, even if they are using 5 yr old tech, but the gov't is freaking out about all the lost taxes, and lost Master Settlement revenue, and tanking Tobacco Bonds. Poor babies don't even know how to balance a checkbook, and they think they can tell us what's good for us? I think they better sweep around their own backdoor. And learn some fiscal responsibility while they're at it.

Andria

I"m more inclined to believe BP is the villain. They stand to lose billions, if not trillions, of dollars in profits in useless and expensive NRT drugs (patches, gum, inhalers, etc.); they'll end up losing profits in the drugs that treat --not cure -- smoking-related illnesses; and they want to eliminate the first real smoking cessation competition: vaping. The TC industry is nothing but the nonprofit arm of BP, which includes ANTZ armies such as the ALA, Tobacco-free Kids, etc. The armies of ANTZ are redoubling their efforts at demonizing nic because vaping stands to put them out of a job.
I say get out the D-con and snuff out the ANTZ/ANTs.

 

[Podunk Steam]

The FDA was open for business in 1906 and by the early 30s they were already pegged for taking people out that threatened the corporate entities. Yeah it's about time the scales got leveled.

 

[catlady60]

That's exactly what needs to happen.. preferably from the tallest bldg in DC.

Andria

New York is an even better place; the buildings are taller. The Empire State Building is perfect for such a deed.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Vaping is good for the environment. Vaping combats global warming, climate change, global cooling, melting of the polar caps, the next ice age and various other forms of man made evil. There, that fixes our problem. Taxes will be sought elsewhere because taxes will always be sought; the question will be who is to be sacrificed? Tom Steyer, well known democrat manipulator, will contribute millions to help us vapers.

Englishmick said: It's the American Way. Remember a few weeks ago when the billionaires were interviewing prospective republican candidates? Who doesn't believe that if Koch had pulled out his gold plated mod at those meetings and politely asked them to lay off we wouldn't have a political party on our side now. Or Buffet on the other side.

 

[AndriaD]

I"m more inclined to believe BP is the villain. They stand to lose billions, if not trillions, of dollars in profits in useless and expensive NRT drugs (patches, gum, inhalers, etc.); they'll end up losing profits in the drugs that treat --not cure -- smoking-related illnesses; and they want to eliminate the first real smoking cessation competition: vaping. The TC industry is nothing but the nonprofit arm of BP, which includes ANTZ armies such as the ALA, Tobacco-free Kids, etc. The armies of ANTZ are redoubling their efforts at demonizing nic because vaping stands to put them out of a job.
I say get out the D-con and snuff out the ANTZ/ANTs.

I completely agree, which is why I said that BT is really not the Bad Guy, nor our worst enemy -- they're competition, sure, but that's the way business works. But BP and gov't combined... good lord, that's a hell of a threat. BP is rich beyond the wildest dreams of Croesus, and gov't has all that taxpayer money to throw around willy nilly. I think vaping (REAL vaping, not cigalikes) can stand up to BT's 2009 cigalikes with ease, but the double threat of BP and gov't... that's going to take some doing. If BP was any sort of ethical business, then they'd simply allow market forces to dictate that ineffective NRT is a thing of the past, and would even celebrate that cancer and COPD drugs were no longer so necessary... but ohh no, can't have that, they gotta FIX it so THEY win, they don't give a royal ratzazz for any actual humans' health!

I will NEVER understand why the super-rich are so intent on becoming super-DUPER-rich... it just doesn't make any sense. Bill Gates got rich beyond his own wildest dreams... and now he gives away huge amounts of his own money.

Andria