How to Get Around Future E Cig Taxes

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Time for the Tractor Supply to step up and offer "USP grade 99.9% pure nicotine insecticide" (wink wink). Guaranteed to kill even the biggest ANTZ. They already carry the PG gallons, so adding that and a USP VG Mane and Coat. [emoji14]
Good luck getting that approved...
Pesticide Reregistration Status | Pesticides | US EPA

This document presents the Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA’s or the Agency’s) decision regarding the reregistration eligibility of the registered uses of the active ingredient nicotine. The Agency conducted human health and environmental fate and effects risk assessments for nicotine non-food uses. The registrant of the sole remaining nicotine pesticide product requested the cancellation of its registration on February 25, 2008, to be effective on December 31, 2013, with existing stocks permitted to be sold by dealers and distributors for one additional year. The Agency has accepted this request in concept, and it is subject to notice and public comment. If public comment provides no information that causes the Agency to reconsider, the Agency may accept the cancellation request.

The assessment of risks for the pesticidal use of nicotine is unique in that much of the supporting data is drawn from the open literature, as opposed to studies conducted according to Agency guidelines, and the data that are available are not entirely wellmatched to anticipated routes of exposure and use patterns for the nicotine pesticide. The lack of more relevant data adds considerable uncertainty to the risk assessment and would necessitate that the Agency call-in data from a range of guideline studies. Ultimately, the process the Agency undertook to assess risks and formulate reregistration eligibility decisions was overtaken by the registrant’s request for cancellation. The Agency is finalizing this reregistration eligibility decision as a record of the database and methodologies that were used to assess nicotine and the Agency’s preliminary conclusions about the risks associated with its use.

The sole remaining nicotine registration, for which cancellation has been requested, is a Restricted Use Pesticide used on greenhouse ornamentals, including poinsettias, bedding plants, and chrysanthemums to control whiteflies, aphids, and thrips. Nicotine has been known for its pesticidal properties for centuries, and came into common use in the U.S. about sixty years ago. Production and usage are now quite limited.

Using the limited available data, EPA has assessed the human health risks for the remaining nicotine registration and has concluded that risks for workers both during and after application, and for consumers of plants from treated greenhouses and members of the public who might be exposed to nicotine residues in treated greenhouses, are potentially of concern. Nicotine is not used on any food and feed crops so dietary risks have not been assessed. Because nicotine is used in greenhouses only, drinking water and ecological risks were not assessed for this use pattern, although the Agency did assess the ecological risks associated with another nicotine product used outdoors to repel vertebrate pests of ornamentals which has since been cancelled. The ecological risk assessment and an assessment of episodic ingestion of the nicotine repellant product are posted to the nicotine docket, as are the technical documents supporting the human health risk assessment for the nicotine greenhouse use.
 

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Dont worry guys, after I become a famous A-List celebrity, I will be publicly outspoken about the benefits of vaping and will challenge the status quo politically with my billions upon billions of dollars.

Sleep soundly.
Please make sure to bring Leonardo DiCaprio and Katherine Heigl with you.
Katherine Heigl even has a Provari!
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But that's the real problem -- we keep being given extortionists and criminals and would-be demigogues to vote for! Which tells me that the problem is in our party system and the parties themselves -- it's like they think that the only viable candidates are those who should be in prison but aren't, thanks to being rich enough to pay for the law they want, or pay their way into party recognition. :facepalm:

Andria

so the best way to make change in congress is to make change at home. article 5 gives the states the power to change government on a federal level without going through congress. we need to push our state legislators to fight back and restore their sovereignty.
 

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Federalist Papers 10 discusses the danger of political parties.

what if we change the ballot system. instead of voting for one candidate we vote yes or no to all of them, yes they can represent me or no they cannot, each no cancels out a yes. this would give independent and even multiple candidates in the same party a fighting chance. that would again be a change at the state level.
 

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Not to be a Devils advocate, but I hope you all do know that the government doesn't put high taxes on certain things to steal all your money away. The reason tobacco is taxed so high is the government utilizes that power to discourage use. You know it, I know it, we all know it, smoking tobacco is bad. That's why we're here, to not smoke tobacco. The government knows too, and taxes is one way they are able to discourage it.

Now onto vaporizers, it is considered the safer alternative to cigarettes. Also, the long term effects are still unknown. Based on past knowledge of putting stuff into our lungs, it's not going to be heaven, but it might get us there sooner. Thus to discourage use but still be able to keep regulations and not put it on prohibition, the government will tax it high. It's the way it works.

Now reading the first post, this is the problem with the majority of vape users today-it's either I vape or I smoke cigarettes. Haven't you realized that the problem here is you have an incredible vice on yourself that is now dictating your entire life? If you don't want to deal with incredibly high taxes that are meant to TRULY save your life from any chemicals entering your lungs, then just breathe air. Discipline and control your vice. If you really want to vape and smoke, then you'd be willing to pay the extra price. You already pay more for vaping than smoking already.

This is just my opinion, feel free to (dis)agree.
 
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First off when did it become the responsibility of government to protect us from ourselves. Second that is a massive load of ---- and you know it. Tobacco is a high value commodity that does require some regulation, it makes sense to tax it, but not to nearly the extreme that it is. The reason cigarette taxes are so high is that sales have gone down hill significantly since the late 80s, this caused a drop in revenue. They increase the tax in order to keep up their revanue and sell it to the people by claiming that it forces people to quit. At this point in time the biggest profiteer on cigarettes is the US government, getting people to quit is the last thing they want to do.
 

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Not to be a Devils advocate, but I hope you all do know that the government doesn't put high taxes on certain things to steal all your money away. The reason tobacco is taxed so high is the government utilizes that power to discourage use. You know it, I know it, we all know it, smoking tobacco is bad. That's why we're here, to not smoke tobacco. The government knows too, and taxes is one way they are able to discourage it.

Now onto vaporizers, it is considered the safer alternative to cigarettes. Also, the long term effects are still unknown. Based on past knowledge of putting stuff into our lungs, it's not going to be heaven, but it might get us there sooner. Thus to discourage use but still be able to keep regulations and not put it on prohibition, the government will tax it high. It's the way it works.

Now reading the first post, this is the problem with the majority of vape users today-it's either I vape or I smoke cigarettes. Haven't you realized that the problem here is you have an incredible vice on yourself that is now dictating your entire life? If you don't want to deal with incredibly high taxes that are meant to TRULY save your life from any chemicals entering your lungs, then just breathe air. Discipline and control your vice. If you really want to vape and smoke, then you'd be willing to pay the extra price. You already pay more for vaping than smoking already.

This is just my opinion, feel free to (dis)agree.

Do you really believe high taxes are for the sole purpose of helping people quit smoking?

Maybe high gas prices are only added because they are hoping everyone will quit driving.


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It is time for us to stand together as consumers.

How can we avoid unfair and excessive taxes? VOTE

Taxation is inevitable. The cards are stacked against us. Government officials, Big Pharma & Big Tobacco don't want us to vape. They want us to smoke, pay high taxes & slowly die, while spending our life savings battling ailments from the poison contained in cigarettes.

We all know Vaping shouldn't be categorized with tobacco. We all see the train coming to run us over.

Here are the questions we should all be asking...

What are we going to do about it? VOTE
How are we going to get around this? DIY
How can we protect our rights as consumers? VOTE for DIFFERENT people.

Our generation put the music industry in its place by creating a system of checks and balances with MP3 downloads.

It's time we stop complaining & start uniting to come up with solutions.


Current generetions have KILLED the music and entertainment industrys.. Whether it downloading steal royaties and driving up prices or bootlegs. Then whinning whenever something mightbe offensive to somebody.. By the way you get the Governemnt you VOTE for. So if they are doing things WE don't like....
Who's fault is it?
 
Best action is to educate. So they found carcinogens in the vape well there's higher levels of carcinogens in sausage and hot dogs. So there's a chance you can die from vaping but there's a higher chance of being killed by a robot. Everyday goes by their chance of success of banning e cigs gets smaller so they need to act as soon as they can. Example they tried to ban AR-Rifles, problem is they are the most sold rifle and more households own one meaning more voters. Everyday there are more and more vapors and more voters that vape. They have to act now before they get defeated and if it passes it may take a while but it will get overturned as long as us vapors keep speaking up and vote for those that support us. So if people are really concerned about their health and try to ban or reduce the use of e cigs must also need to give up eating sausage, hot dogs, processed foods, and avoid electronics cause that killer robot is coming for them.
 

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Current generetions have KILLED the music and entertainment industrys.. Whether it downloading steal royaties and driving up prices or bootlegs. Then whinning whenever something mightbe offensive to somebody.. By the way you get the Governemnt you VOTE for. So if they are doing things WE don't like....
Who's fault is it?
The problem is our choice in an election is more often than not between a jackass and a slightly less jackass.
 

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I have only been tobacco free for 10 weeks but I hope I never turn into one of those self- righteous ex-smokers who want to use taxes and prohibitions to prevent others from doing what they want as long as it does not harm me.the problem with voting for what we want is that we are often not given that choice. when none of the candidates represent your views than you are not going to be served by voting. I wonder how many of these people that want to punish me for vaping are guzzling whiskey,smoking cigars or are morbidly obese from junk food. how would they feel if we but punitive taxes these things. live your life and let me live mine
 

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Do you really believe high taxes are for the sole purpose of helping people quit smoking?

Maybe high gas prices are only added because they are hoping everyone will quit driving.


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Makes me question the high taxes on wage income. Possibly they determined that working is harmful and want to discourage it.
 
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