How to Get Around Future E Cig Taxes

[stevegmu]

Please pardon my cynicism. But I think the key words
in your statement are "if well spent".

Meetings, hotel rooms, pseudo lobbyists, salaried staff, administrative costs...
I'm sorry but I don't think dog tags or t-shirts will cut it.
With all due respect to my card carrying dog tag wearing vaping colleagues
from my perspective some of these organizations look more like
social clubs for vaping snobs and old ladies than
militant activists with a mission.

Regards,
Hazy

Be careful, they are going to put you on the list...

 

[HazyShades]

Be careful, they are going to put you on the list...

Which list? I'm certain I'm on several lists already.
I'm also sure that many of our more radical anti-ANTZ colleagues are aware
of my radical anti tyranny stance and applaud me for it even if my penchant for
self governance and courtesy peeves some of them off.

I'm not very worried about lists. Some of the moderators here know my position is friendly
and my intentions are good, so I'm not worried about that proverbial axe. I'm usually a good boy
and prefer to walk away from hostile exchanges before the inappropriate comments fly.

Usually what gets me in trouble is my occasional play on words and witty sarcasm.
But since my sense of humor has been lacking of late that should be cool.

Back in college days, I came home from G'ville
one day and got a phone call from Agent So & So from the FBI.
Told me I was on the list.
That wasn't the only call...later, because of my work I was monitored
phone tapped for security reasons...
Then because of my work with the court I was again monitored.

So...lists LOL....Otay.
How ya doing, Uncle Steve?

Regards,
Hazy

 

[Goyo]

Just like alcohol and tobacco in that anything that contains them is taxed, once regulation hits, it will be the same as with nicotine e-cigs. If you don't want your products to be taxed don't package a product with nicotine.

Batteries will be purchasable untaxed from battery vendors. VG and flavors will be available untaxed from food suppliers. Nicotine and anything containing it will be taxed. That simple.

To avoid taxes separate your product components into multiple products instead of selling them all in a single package.

 

[HazyShades]

Just like alcohol and tobacco in that anything that contains them is taxed, once regulation hits, it will be the same as with nicotine e-cigs. If you don't want your products to be taxed don't package a product with nicotine.

Batteries will be purchasable untaxed from battery vendors. VG and flavors will be available untaxed from food suppliers. Nicotine and anything containing it will be taxed. That simple.

To avoid taxes separate your product components into multiple products instead of selling them all in a single package.

The amendment to tobacco statutes being considered by the Florida Legislature
places nicotine delivery devices as well as nicotine and nicotine containing "juice"
under the same legal/taxable classification.

That puts a 60% wholesale plus a 25% Florida Tax on tanks, carts, and mods egos ETC.
One could argue the devices are used for other than administration of nicotine..but good luck

Better stock up on that stuff too. Once the FDA gets it together that kind of tax/regulation
might get Federal as well as on the state level.

Regards,
Hazy

Edit: If the amendment is approved it goes into effect July 01, 2015 just in time for Independence Day...

 

[V8porism]

Just like alcohol and tobacco in that anything that contains them is taxed, once regulation hits, it will be the same as with nicotine e-cigs. If you don't want your products to be taxed don't package a product with nicotine.

Batteries will be purchasable untaxed from battery vendors. VG and flavors will be available untaxed from food suppliers. Nicotine and anything containing it will be taxed. That simple.

To avoid taxes separate your product components into multiple products instead of selling them all in a single package.

We must fight these bans & taxes before they go federal & it's too late. We are simply consuming a food product in a manner which "looks like" smoking. The fact of the matter is that we're not smoking. Period.

Now is the time to challenge based on truth.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[stevegmu]

Which list? I'm certain I'm on several lists already.
I'm also sure that many of our more radical anti-ANTZ colleagues are aware
of my radical anti tyranny stance and applaud me for it even if my penchant for
self governance and courtesy peeves some of them off.

I'm not very worried about lists. Some of the moderators here now my position is friendly
and my intentions are good, so I'm not worried about that proverbial axe. I'm usually a good boy
and prefer to walk away from hostile exchanges before the inappropriate comments fly.

Usually what gets me in trouble is my occasional play on words and witty sarcasm.
But since my sense of humor has been lacking of late that should be cool.

Back in college days, I came home from G'ville
one day and got a phone call from Agent So & So from the FBI.
Told me I was on the list.
That wasn't the only call...later, because of my work I was monitored
phone tapped for security reasons...
Then because of my work with the court I was again monitored.

So...lists LOL....Otay.
How ya doing, Uncle Steve?

Regards,
Hazy

The ANTS list...

I am well, thanks. Counting down the days 'till Prague...

 

[inspects]

Please, Everyone PLEASE join CASAA CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association

If we don't help ourselves, the government is going to tax us (MORE) to death, or place so many restrictions on juice and nicotine it will make many folks go back to smoking, which is what the government wants, including big pharma and the tobacco companies like others here already stated.

And if you can, buy at least a three year supply of nicotine, before its not readily available to us any longer.....!

 

[house mouse]

VG and PG will be Unaffected by the Deeming of e-Liquids that contain Nicotine as a Tobacco Product.

Its the Nicotine that will be the Problem.

In all reality all they have to do to shut it down is put a strangle hold on the nicotine. Why bother going after the tanks and mods, etc. if you can make the nicotine unavailable to the consumer? Without the e-liquid to put in the tanks no one will buy them, or the mods that power them. Except for the well stocked up DIYer. And that's just not enough folks to keep the industry churning.

 

[HazyShades]

The ANTS list...

I am well, thanks. Counting down the days 'till Prague...

Heck man, look at your sig and mine. We're already ants at the picnic table.
It's the ANTZ list that gets one in the cross hair but I think I'm obviously anti everything.

I suppose my comment might be interpreted as being anti-CASAA or the Militia
but I'm not. I'm being mildly critical in order to fire up their enthusiasm and militancy.
As a rule I tend to not donate money to any organization because I see too much $
going toward administrative costs..I do send money to St Jude's now and then
but have the same criticism regarding administrative costs

I donate more valuable things to anti-ANTZ organizations than money,
I give my time, sweat, words, and criticism. I already have some old dog tags,
I don't need anymore

Regards,
Hazy

 

[CMD-Ky]

You're assuming I only donated $10. That's a bad assumption.

Dog gone it, you got me there, you Surly Curmudgeon. Being an old miserly skinflint, you may safely assume I gave $10. .

 

[CMD-Ky]

Please pardon my cynicism. But I think the key words
in your statement are "if well spent".

Meetings, hotel rooms, pseudo lobbyists, salaried staff, administrative costs...
I'm sorry but I don't think dog tags or t-shirts will cut it.
With all due respect to my card carrying dog tag wearing vaping colleagues
from my perspective some of these organizations look more like
social clubs for vaping snobs and old ladies than
militant activists with a mission.

Regards,
Hazy

Yup, and so I said watch and see what CASAA does with the money. If you like CASAA action give more; if you do not, write it off and find Plan B. I think it is worth a $10 gamble and if enough agree, something good may come of it. If cynicism rules the decisions then we can be certain nothing good will occur.

 

[Rossum]

Please, Everyone PLEASE join CASAA CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association

I cannot fathom why anyone who is a member of this forum hasn't joined CASAA. Joining doesn't cost a penny; it's FREE. It doesn't obligate you to anything either. But every additional member gives the organization a bit more clout and credibility in their interactions with the machine.

And if you can, buy at least a three year supply of nicotine, before its not readily available to us any longer.....!

A three year supply is not enough, particularly if you wish to be in a position to help friends and acquaintances who have not yet seen the light. I've got 10-11 years worth already and I don't think that's enough.

In all reality all they have to do to shut it down is put a strangle hold on the nicotine. Why bother going after the tanks and mods, etc. if you can make the nicotine unavailable to the consumer? Without the e-liquid to put in the tanks no one will buy them, or the mods that power them. Except for the well stocked up DIYer. And that's just not enough folks to keep the industry churning.

I do not think a "shut it down" is their objective. Vaping has allowed millions of us avoid paying them their Danegeld. We used to pay big money in taxes and we no longer do. I used to spend over $4k a year on cigarettes, more than half of which went to taxes. Vaping already costs government tens of billions in lost revenues every year, a number that just keeps growing.

Think about it this way: It would be extremely difficult for them to tax that which you already own. Currently you can buy a 1-2 year supply of nic (on sale) for less than the price of a carton of name-brand cigarettes. Ask yourself whether buying nic is likely to be cheaper or more expensive a few years from now, and act accordingly. That's how to avoid at least the bulk of the taxes.

 

[Rossum]

Dog gone it, you got me there, you Surly Curmudgeon. Being an old miserly skinflint, you may safely assume I gave $10. .

Don't worry, I won't miss any meals due to donations. In the past, I've focused them on Dr. F, because he's relatively apolitical, and because he's the only person doing real research that I trust to actually tell us the unvarnished truth.

I tend to resist oiling the machine of politics in any way because doing so implies that I consent to their "authority" to control how people live their lives. I firmly believe that as long as people live peaceably and honestly, no man has the moral authority to interfere with them, and if no man has such authority, then government intrinsically doesn't have it either.

 

[jpargana]

I'm going to play devil's advocate here and say that e liquid should be regulated and taxed. We need to make sure that:
1 it is not being solved to minors
2. Manufacturers are following basic sanitation practices
3. That all ingredients are listed on the label and the contents are as stated
4. That it does not contain toxic levels of contamination

With the exception of number 1 the are the same regulations on manufactured foods, and since this type of regulation costs money I would support a reasonable tax. The key words here are a reasonable tax to pay for sensible regulation.

So, should I assume you would support a new, "reasonable tax" on manufactured foods also??

"this type of regulation costs money"... well, OVERregulating costs even more. Should we have to pay more taxes to cover the expenses of new insane "regulations" that were not even needed in the first place?

 

[jpargana]

You have to understand, some of these people think they were conned or forced into smoking and to continue smoking by Big Tobacco...
Look at all the vapers who continue to vape e-liquid full of diketones, even after Dr. F said it should be avoided...

Well, please enlinghten us. Did you stop smoking IMMEDIATELY, the moment you heard the first Doctor explaining how bad smoking is ?

 

[soysos]

In all reality all they have to do to shut it down is put a strangle hold on the nicotine. Why bother going after the tanks and mods, etc. if you can make the nicotine unavailable to the consumer? Without the e-liquid to put in the tanks no one will buy them, or the mods that power them. Except for the well stocked up DIYer. And that's just not enough folks to keep the industry churning.

Because they can't without hurting big pharma. It makes more sense to put a stranglehold on devices.

 

[caramel]

I cannot fathom why anyone who is a member of this forum hasn't joined CASAA.

Few reasons:

- some of us are not located in US
- some prefer to not be members of any organizations in general
- some are shills / trolls

 

[caramel]

Because they can't without hurting big pharma. It makes more sense to put a stranglehold on devices.

They can always enable a "for medical purposes" exception. Coming with a 274 pages regulation that exempts anything they want to be exempted.

 

[stevegmu]

Well, please enlinghten us. Did you stop smoking IMMEDIATELY, the moment you heard the first Doctor explaining how bad smoking is ?

I take responsibility for my poor choice to start and continue smoking; I chose vaping as a safer alternative. . Those who continue to vape e-liquids which Dr. F said should be avoided are as foolish as those who were regular smokers...

 

[GinnyTx]

Bathtub e juice coming right up

thanks for the heads up on the donating to CASAA

we've already gotten off the premium juices opting for cheaper mix cheap flavors together moving towards DIY, a Kayfun and making your own coils (I foresee a taxation on the Kanger replacement coils coming..we've got a stock pile but time to break out the make your own coils time has arrived)

but a couple bottles of nicotine in the outside 'fridge and a liter or two of vg is going to be ordered soon more than likely.