If you choose to make an irresponsible decision while there is proven evidence shown, wouldn't you be considered part of the dumber and dumberer?
There are some mistakes worth making and some that aren't.
How to Get Around Future E Cig Taxes
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There are some mistakes worth making and some that aren't.
In the end people in some places in the world will need some form of protection against supply problems. Who knows exactly where this applies, we won't have any hard facts for a couple of years.
Here is a way to protect yourself from supply issues. I've lived off-grid a lot so these solutions are practical. Unflavoured nicotine base (anywhere from 100mg upwards) will probably keep 10 years in a freezer. In theory PG base keeps longer than VG base, but we don't have enough time with these issues yet to be sure. Re-bottle the liquid into glass containers, cobalt glass is best, though it probably doesn't matter much at -20C. Treble-pack the bottles: inside ziplock bags, inside plastic boxes.
1. If you expect a nicotine supply problem and no more than 2 or 3 days electricity supply interruption at any one time.
Get a small and efficient freezer that goes down at least to -20 degrees C. The lower the better. Small internal volume is best, so an under-counter freezer is the largest you should consider. Place it in the coolest part of your residence in the summer months; but if that place (say for example your garage or shed) is near or below freezing in winter, you may have to move the freezer somewhere warmer in winter: freezers don't work properly if the room temperature is too low as there is not enough temperature differential for them to work well, the rear heat disperser grid can freeze up.
Get several freezer packs (camping ice packs) and place in the freezer, this provides cold inertia to keep the contents colder for longer if the power is cut. Get a freezer thermometer.
If you want to do the job properly, get some 4-inch building insulation foam with the foil side. Cover the freezer with the 4" foam blocks, with the foil side out, and use spray can foam to glue up the joints with. You can't do the back, but you can do the top, sides and door. If you get 2" board that's OK, use two layers, it also allows you to use a stepped door system which is the best of all.
Get a small generator to provide power, you'll need 1 kW. You can use a Honda type suitcase genny that runs on petrol (gasoline), or better, have it converted to propane (not butane or mix). Keep in mind you can't store petrol, it goes off, and anyway you don't want it around the house. Large propane bottles are much better for this size of solution.
You can run the genny 2 hours or so a day to bring the freezer temp down, the freezer blocks will keep the cold reserve banked for several hours. Run tests on this with the thermometer and write the results down - obviously you don't want to be opening the freezer to check the temp if you are without power.
2. If you expect a nicotine supply problem and no more than 2 weeks electricity supply interruption at any one time.
As above but you'll need a small diesel generator. Diesel is your friend, you can store it for years without a problem as it's an oil not a spirit like petrol (gasoline).
3. If you expect a nicotine supply problem and weeks or even months of electricity supply interruption.
This is the long-range boater's solution as it's what they plan and build for.
As (2) above, but you'll need green power generation to avoid burning fuel except for emergency use. On long range sailboats we use towed turbines, solar panels and wind generators, with the diesel engine for backup. Obviously a towed turbine is out, which is a shame as mine pumps out 5 amps 24/7 if I'm moving
Your system is based on a giant 12 volt battery bank and an inverter, with solar panels and a wind turbine feeding the batteries. You pump 12v at 5 or 10 amps into the battery bank, then get mains power out of the inverter when you need it.
protip 1: have 2 battery banks and switch them in or out as needed. A 'bank' is 2 or more high-quality batteries connected in parallel (not in series!).
protip 2: physically remove both the neg and pos connections from any battery bank out of use and charged (not just by using switches on the connections), as otherwise they discharge even with no circuit connected. Just remember to reconnect before charging...
This way you can live off-grid for months with no problem. Nicotine shortages and power outages will pass you by.
4. Ultimate solution.
As above in (3) - but build your own freezer using marine freezer components and 6-inch foam. Danfoss systems are good. Forget the grid, you won't need it.
Here is a way to protect yourself from supply issues. I've lived off-grid a lot so these solutions are practical. Unflavoured nicotine base (anywhere from 100mg upwards) will probably keep 10 years in a freezer. In theory PG base keeps longer than VG base, but we don't have enough time with these issues yet to be sure. Re-bottle the liquid into glass containers, cobalt glass is best, though it probably doesn't matter much at -20C. Treble-pack the bottles: inside ziplock bags, inside plastic boxes.
1. If you expect a nicotine supply problem and no more than 2 or 3 days electricity supply interruption at any one time.
Get a small and efficient freezer that goes down at least to -20 degrees C. The lower the better. Small internal volume is best, so an under-counter freezer is the largest you should consider. Place it in the coolest part of your residence in the summer months; but if that place (say for example your garage or shed) is near or below freezing in winter, you may have to move the freezer somewhere warmer in winter: freezers don't work properly if the room temperature is too low as there is not enough temperature differential for them to work well, the rear heat disperser grid can freeze up.
Get several freezer packs (camping ice packs) and place in the freezer, this provides cold inertia to keep the contents colder for longer if the power is cut. Get a freezer thermometer.
If you want to do the job properly, get some 4-inch building insulation foam with the foil side. Cover the freezer with the 4" foam blocks, with the foil side out, and use spray can foam to glue up the joints with. You can't do the back, but you can do the top, sides and door. If you get 2" board that's OK, use two layers, it also allows you to use a stepped door system which is the best of all.
Get a small generator to provide power, you'll need 1 kW. You can use a Honda type suitcase genny that runs on petrol (gasoline), or better, have it converted to propane (not butane or mix). Keep in mind you can't store petrol, it goes off, and anyway you don't want it around the house. Large propane bottles are much better for this size of solution.
You can run the genny 2 hours or so a day to bring the freezer temp down, the freezer blocks will keep the cold reserve banked for several hours. Run tests on this with the thermometer and write the results down - obviously you don't want to be opening the freezer to check the temp if you are without power.
2. If you expect a nicotine supply problem and no more than 2 weeks electricity supply interruption at any one time.
As above but you'll need a small diesel generator. Diesel is your friend, you can store it for years without a problem as it's an oil not a spirit like petrol (gasoline).
3. If you expect a nicotine supply problem and weeks or even months of electricity supply interruption.
This is the long-range boater's solution as it's what they plan and build for.
As (2) above, but you'll need green power generation to avoid burning fuel except for emergency use. On long range sailboats we use towed turbines, solar panels and wind generators, with the diesel engine for backup. Obviously a towed turbine is out, which is a shame as mine pumps out 5 amps 24/7 if I'm moving
Your system is based on a giant 12 volt battery bank and an inverter, with solar panels and a wind turbine feeding the batteries. You pump 12v at 5 or 10 amps into the battery bank, then get mains power out of the inverter when you need it.protip 1: have 2 battery banks and switch them in or out as needed. A 'bank' is 2 or more high-quality batteries connected in parallel (not in series!).
protip 2: physically remove both the neg and pos connections from any battery bank out of use and charged (not just by using switches on the connections), as otherwise they discharge even with no circuit connected. Just remember to reconnect before charging...
This way you can live off-grid for months with no problem. Nicotine shortages and power outages will pass you by.
4. Ultimate solution.
As above in (3) - but build your own freezer using marine freezer components and 6-inch foam. Danfoss systems are good. Forget the grid, you won't need it.
If you choose to make an irresponsible decision while there is proven evidence shown, wouldn't you be considered part of the dumber and dumberer?
There are some mistakes worth making and some that aren't.
You have to understand, some of these people think they were conned or forced into smoking and to continue smoking by Big Tobacco...
Look at all the vapers who continue to vape e-liquid full of diketones, even after Dr. F said it should be avoided...
If you choose to make an irresponsible decision while there is proven evidence shown, wouldn't you be considered part of the dumber and dumberer?
There are some mistakes worth making and some that aren't.
Yes but it's my choice not someone elses. Vaping is considered as irresponsible as smoking so should I then quit.
Good point. I'm trying to find nicotine alternatives for ejuice. There should be a non-tobacco organic substance that we can substitute in our juice. Perhaps caffeine?
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I'd prefer taller buildings. The youtube vids would be pretty short if it were performed in DC. Might not have time to pull out the smart phones and start shooting.
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No, and that talk isn't allowed here. Synthetic nicotine is too expensive, as is extracting it from plants other than tobacco...
Me too. That's too close to earth for my liking. [emoji14]Good lord. I'm embarrassed that he's from GA.
On a brighter note... my new laptop can view videos splendidly, without all that jumping and stopping I was getting with my old XP Pro system. Yay! Now if I can just learn to type on it...
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OK, that freezer/genny stuff was all over the top maybe - but:
a) Plan for the worst and hope for the best
b) Never believe any politician, their job is to make their job easier, not your life.
And if you have some land and want to grow your own, then consider the pituri plant (Duboisia Hopwoodii) as well as tobacco plants. Some cultivars have the same amount of nicotine as tobacco plants. As with any solution of this type, extracting nice pure nicotine alone from a vegetable source is a whole 'nother story
a) Plan for the worst and hope for the best
b) Never believe any politician, their job is to make their job easier, not your life.
And if you have some land and want to grow your own, then consider the pituri plant (Duboisia Hopwoodii) as well as tobacco plants. Some cultivars have the same amount of nicotine as tobacco plants. As with any solution of this type, extracting nice pure nicotine alone from a vegetable source is a whole 'nother story
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Dunno about ALL that money.
50%, MAYBE...
The other 65% is "earmarked" (pocketed)
Errr.... I think my numbers are a bit on the low side...
Who said deficit?!?!?
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Someone pointed out that the Nic we get for ejuice is derived from tobacco. This, unfortunately, gives the government an excuse to treat Vaping like smoking.
I think we should accomplish two things to protect our rights.
1- Legally challenge bans which prohibit us from Vaping zero Nic juice and any tobacco-like taxes associated with zero-Nic Vaping. This should in no way be treated like smoking. Vaping zero Nic juice is simply inhaling a steamed up food product. This should be where we draw a line in the sand and fight for our freedom.
2- Find an alternative ejuice formula to eliminate nicotine from the equation, while providing remotely comparable levels of stimulation acquired from Vaping nicotine. An alternative organic replacement for nicotine would free us from the arms of looming taxation and current bans.
This is just a thought. Is there a viable alternative to our current ejuice configuration?
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OK, that freezer/genny stuff was all over the top maybe - but:
a) Plan for the worst and hope for the best
b) Never believe any politician, their job is to make their job easier, not your life.
And if you have some land and want to grow your own, then consider the pituri plant (Duboisia Hopwoodii) as well as tobacco plants. Some cultivars have the same amount of nicotine as tobacco plants. As with any solution of this type, extracting nice pure nicotine alone from a vegetable source is a whole 'nother story
Not over the top at all!
That's exactly the type of post I visit internet forums to read!
Overkill is under rated.
Awesome post.
Nicotine can be extracted from tomato plants and other vegetables:
http://www.ehow.com/list_7377348_plants-containing-nicotine.html
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The public use bans aren't related to nicotine. It just looks like smoking and they don't want an activity which looks like smoking in non smoking areas.
I don't vape to get a buzz...
People complain about $20/30ml e-liquid. What would they say to $300/30ml e-liguid? It's expensive to extract from tomatoes and takes a lot of tomatoes...
I actually just read other posts on the topic here...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...nthetic-nicotine-there-really-such-thing.html
There has to be another option out there. Perhaps an herbal extract?
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I get that. It should be illegal to ban Vaping simply because it "looks" like smoking. In addition- pvs have evolved from cigalikes that closely resemble lit cigarettes to mods which look nothing like analogues.
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