How to Get Around Future E Cig Taxes
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Not really. What I'm saying is that if you're a smoker considering to quit via vaping, the best time is NOW (i.e. do not delay it any further).
ya'll are thinking too big. we have neither the numbers nor the resources to effect change on the federal level. we need to think closer to home. city councilman, state reps, mayor. talk to them tell them your story. if we can get the states to support us, that is when we'll have what we need.
The FDA won't do anything major until their commissioned 5 year studies have been completed, but I guess it is easier to gain support against a central federal governmental agency, than individual state governments, even though the highest proposed taxes and restrictions have come at the state level. Given there is no organization with the will or resources to sue, ultimately it will come down to the federal level, from the likes of BLU and NJOY...
There's a proposed amendment to sections 210 and 877 of the Florida Statutes by the Finance and Tax Committee
of the Florida Legislature which would add nicotine, nicotine products, refillable cartridges and nicotine dispensing devices
to the existing regulations for tobacco products.
What that means is a 60% Wholesale Tax and a 25% Retail Tax on
mods, tanks, and juice.
If enacted said legislation will take effect on July 01, 2015.
Time flies when you're having phun but I've yet to hear CASAA
issue a call to action.
I know that a person I believe to be a CASAA liaison has been informed
and told me in turn that the organization has a certain strategy
concerning appropriate periods to issue calls to action for a greater impact.
I was informed of this through a local chapter of another organization
allegedly involved in hiring lobbyists to try to influence the bureaucrats in Tallahassee.
But generally the large organizations such as CASAA and the Militia look to be out of the legal loop
and to me seem inconsequential to the vaping community.
Where I agree with you that we as a whole should throw the bums out
I disagree with the viability of that plan. The public relations cost and effort to such an approach would
be almost as futile as that spent on lobbyists. You're talking either replacing the bums with other elected bums
which costs money or a violent revolution which will cost money and blood.
Yea, elected bums. Pardon my cynicism but do you really trust a politician
to be dependably favorable to any issue or cause?
I think that even a juice vaping politician couldn't be trusted.
Politicians are just that. We need statesman but there aren't any.
What we have plenty of are lawyers...
The only way any of these problems are going to be resolved are legally in court..or not.
That we suffer taxation without representation must be challenged in courts of law
throughout the nation in an organized manner. Not by selling banners and dog tags
and having meetings on twitter or some social media.
This should be a general effort against the taxing of services
and the collection of what are called "sin taxes".
I'm saying that the government has no right to impose a tax on ecigs, tobacco, satellite TV, alcohol, or what they consider luxury
edibles like famous brand ice cream instead of store brand cardboard taste ice cream.
It used to be food had no tax now it depends on the kind of food.
Throwing the bums out sounds real good and I'd be right along with ya but it won't work
'cause all those guys are bums. In order to run for any office ya gotta have sold yer soul to begin with.
The only recourse is to hire the other bums, the lawyers and fight this all in court.
Any type of tax other than a sales tax applied equally on a per dollar basis rather than the type of good
is and should be legally unconstitutional.
The only other alternative is bloodshed and that's futile too.
I have a very Jeffersonian political perspective so I'm game but
if you stop to think, history has shown that revolutions always
end up with bums replacing other bums.
Refusal to pay the tax will only bring swat teams.
We can do 2 things. {Public relations-publicity-education}, {legal challenges in court}
Of course, we could bribe a whole bunch $$$ of people...
Regards,
Hazy
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I asked her what the Problem was? She told me that on Sunday the Neighbor Kids had knocked on her door and Offered to wash her car for Free. And that even though the Car Looked Better, that they had Not done a very good job on the Windows. And that there were some Spots on them.
I told her that I thought that was kinda a .... Up Attitude. That if someone is Nice Enough to do Something for you, For Free, that She didn't really have a Right to Whine that they Didn't do a Good Enough Job for Her.
She just stood there with Her mouth hanging open clutch the production schedules like some Fish on a Boat Deck. I'm not sure if she Got It or Not?
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Even though you may Not Seeing it, there are Many People working to Effect e-Cigarette Policy. Going Beyond just Talking about things. And Actually are Doing Things.
There's a proposed amendment to sections 210 and 877 of the Florida Statutes by the Finance and Tax Committee
of the Florida Legislature which would add nicotine, nicotine products, refillable cartridges and nicotine dispensing devices
to the existing regulations for tobacco products.
What that means is a 60% Wholesale Tax and a 25% Retail Tax on
mods, tanks, and juice.
If enacted said legislation will take effect on July 01, 2015.
Time flies when you're having phun but I've yet to hear CASAA
issue a call to action.
I know that a person I believe to be a CASAA liaison has been informed
and told me in turn that the organization has a certain strategy
concerning appropriate periods to issue calls to action for a greater impact.
I was informed of this through a local chapter of another organization
allegedly involved in hiring lobbyists to try to influence the bureaucrats in Tallahassee.
But generally the large organizations such as CASAA and the Militia look to be out of the legal loop
and to me seem inconsequential to the vaping community.
Where I agree with you that we as a whole should throw the bums out
I disagree with the viability of that plan. The public relations cost and effort to such an approach would
be almost as futile as that spent on lobbyists. You're talking either replacing the bums with other elected bums
which costs money or a violent revolution which will cost money and blood.
Yea, elected bums. Pardon my cynicism but do you really trust a politician
to be dependably favorable to any issue or cause?
I think that even a juice vaping politician couldn't be trusted.
Politicians are just that. We need statesman but there aren't any.
What we have plenty of are lawyers...
The only way any of these problems are going to be resolved are legally in court..or not.
That we suffer taxation without representation must be challenged in courts of law
throughout the nation in an organized manner. Not by selling banners and dog tags
and having meetings on twitter or some social media.
This should be a general effort against the taxing of services
and the collection of what are called "sin taxes".
I'm saying that the government has no right to impose a tax on ecigs, tobacco, satellite TV, alcohol, or what they consider luxury
edibles like famous brand ice cream instead of store brand cardboard taste ice cream.
It used to be food had no tax not it depends on the kind of food.
Throwing the bums out sounds real good and I'd be right along with ya but it won't work
'cause all those guys are bums. In order to run for any office ya gotta have sold yer soul to begin with.
The only recourse is to hire the other bums, the lawyers and fight this all in court.
Any type of tax other than a sales tax applied equally on a per dollar basis rather than the type of good
is and should be legally unconstitutional.
The only other alternative is bloodshed and that's futile too.
I have a very Jeffersonian political perspective so I'm game but
if you stop to think, history has shown that revolutions always
end up with bums replacing other bums.
Refusal to pay the tax will only bring swat teams.
We can do 2 things. {Public relations-publicity-education}, {legal challenges in court}
Of course, we could bribe a whole bunch $$$ of people...
Regards,
Hazy
You mean bumper stickers and tee shirts don't work?
Actually they do work. Publicity is public relations and free T-Shirts and bumper stickers
equal free publicity.
But last I checked the T-Shirts, Dog Tags, and bumper stickers weren't free.
I understand those are fund raising items but the problem with that is that those funds tend to
get spent on administrative costs...
Gimme a free t-shirt I'll wear it and hopefully people will say, ...? And I'll tell 'em.
Ask $20+shipping for your
t-shirt and I'll go buy 4 at Walmart.
Regards,
Hazy
Actually they do work. Publicity is public relations and free T-Shirts and bumper stickers
equal free publicity.
But last I checked the T-Shirts, Dog Tags, and bumper stickers weren't free.
I understand those are fund raising items but the problem with that is that those funds tend to
get spent on administrative costs...
Gimme a free t-shirt I'll wear it and hopefully people will say, ...? And I'll tell 'em.
Ask $20+shipping for your
t-shirt and I'll go buy 4 at Walmart.
Regards,
Hazy
That's a shame. I thought that's what the donations went to...
There's a proposed amendment to sections 210 and 877 of the Florida Statutes by the Finance and Tax Committee
of the Florida Legislature which would add nicotine, nicotine products, refillable cartridges and nicotine dispensing devices
to the existing regulations for tobacco products.
What that means is a 60% Wholesale Tax and a 25% Retail Tax on
mods, tanks, and juice.
If enacted said legislation will take effect on July 01, 2015.
Time flies when you're having phun but I've yet to hear CASAA
issue a call to action.
I know that a person I believe to be a CASAA liaison has been informed
and told me in turn that the organization has a certain strategy
concerning appropriate periods to issue calls to action for a greater impact.
I was informed of this through a local chapter of another organization
allegedly involved in hiring lobbyists to try to influence the bureaucrats in Tallahassee.
But generally the large organizations such as CASAA and the Militia look to be out of the legal loop
and to me seem inconsequential to the vaping community.
Where I agree with you that we as a whole should throw the bums out
I disagree with the viability of that plan. The public relations cost and effort to such an approach would
be almost as futile as that spent on lobbyists. You're talking either replacing the bums with other elected bums
which costs money or a violent revolution which will cost money and blood.
Yea, elected bums. Pardon my cynicism but do you really trust a politician
to be dependably favorable to any issue or cause?
I think that even a juice vaping politician couldn't be trusted.
Politicians are just that. We need statesman but there aren't any.
What we have plenty of are lawyers...
The only way any of these problems are going to be resolved are legally in court..or not.
That we suffer taxation without representation must be challenged in courts of law
throughout the nation in an organized manner. Not by selling banners and dog tags
and having meetings on twitter or some social media.
This should be a general effort against the taxing of services
and the collection of what are called "sin taxes".
I'm saying that the government has no right to impose a tax on ecigs, tobacco, satellite TV, alcohol, or what they consider luxury
edibles like famous brand ice cream instead of store brand cardboard taste ice cream.
It used to be food had no tax now it depends on the kind of food.
Throwing the bums out sounds real good and I'd be right along with ya but it won't work
'cause all those guys are bums. In order to run for any office ya gotta have sold yer soul to begin with.
The only recourse is to hire the other bums, the lawyers and fight this all in court.
Any type of tax other than a sales tax applied equally on a per dollar basis rather than the type of good
is and should be legally unconstitutional.
The only other alternative is bloodshed and that's futile too.
I have a very Jeffersonian political perspective so I'm game but
if you stop to think, history has shown that revolutions always
end up with bums replacing other bums.
Refusal to pay the tax will only bring swat teams.
We can do 2 things. {Public relations-publicity-education}, {legal challenges in court}
Of course, we could bribe a whole bunch $$$ of people...
Regards,
Hazy
Hazy, the only thing that gives the Government the ability to impose tax is that the legislators are VOTED into office.
There is only one way to change that.
Vote in people who will change it.
It really is that simple. Elections aren't rigged, they don't have to rig them
Apathy has infected many when it comes to voting.
It starts locally. It's your country. Take it back. You already have the proper tools to effect the change we want
Vaping isn't a niche hobby.
It's a huge global trend.
We CAN win this battle if we just get up and do it.
I have to agree on all counts, completely.
Lobbying, I consider massaging legislators to be analogous to "oiling the machine of politics"; it may work but it is evil. As I am getting too old to really do bad stuff, I have taken a newly found moral stand against evil.
Wellll, maybe not so much on self-regulating, sounds like self-dicipline and that's hard. I have adopted the style de jour, avoiding hard stuff, like thinking about things.
As to action - I, too, have enough 100mg nicotine thickened in the freezer for my life and a few more. I can leave some by a well drafted will along with ReadyXWick to my wife and child. My two REO's will out live me. More vigorous action, I think I will self-regulate here.
Lobbying, I consider massaging legislators to be analogous to "oiling the machine of politics"; it may work but it is evil. As I am getting too old to really do bad stuff, I have taken a newly found moral stand against evil.
Wellll, maybe not so much on self-regulating, sounds like self-dicipline and that's hard. I have adopted the style de jour, avoiding hard stuff, like thinking about things.
As to action - I, too, have enough 100mg nicotine thickened in the freezer for my life and a few more. I can leave some by a well drafted will along with ReadyXWick to my wife and child. My two REO's will out live me. More vigorous action, I think I will self-regulate here.
Don't know, Sensei..I both agree and disagree with ya.
I believe if we weren't living in a world we never made (apologies to Howard The Duck)
that course of action would work.
But in this reality, in my humble opinion, that's too idealistic. Getting friendly representatives elected is an
iffy mission and a gamble. Politicians are by nature crooks even if they carry juice and a mod.
Again, pardon my cynicism but I disagree with you bout elections not being rigged.
Sorry man, but I live in Florida. Elections are indeed rigged and messin with the outcomes is not very hard to do.
It's much easier than when were counting chads..
Regards,
Hazy
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I wish that I had asked that question. Good response to an astonishing post.
On can only hope that this is offered as something akin to reductio ad absurdum. If not and this attitude becomes prevalent, we, as a republic, are doomed.
We are already in an absurd situation. Problem is that few are noticing it. Maybe if we can make it even more absurd, then it could become noticeable.
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Do you have any links regarding the proposed Florida legislation?
I haven't found anything via google.
Living in FL I am very interested in this.
Thanks
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