How to Get Around Future E Cig Taxes

[Flt Simulation]

Sure... There is a Black Market for just about Anything.

But what Percentage of the Current e-Cigarette Market can the Black Market Supply? Five Percent? Maybe Less?

Oh ... If there is a demand, I think the Chinese can manufacture as much VG or PG Nicotine Base liquid (for the DIY folks) that people are willing to order via the internet.

And they certainly can make lots and lots of 'Ready to Vape' juice.

I think the Chinese would take full advantage of a situation where the US government heavily taxes ready made nicotine juice and nicotine VG / PG base liquid (DIY).

I would certainly order from a Chinese company if the US government starts taxing any vaping material that contains nicotine.

 

[englishmick]

What regulations will do is simply make it so current smokers will continue smoking. It won't do a whole lot to advanced vapers who DIY. Current smokers will only have access to crappy eliquid and cigalikes unless they want to go through the whole DIY thing from the start. I know if I still smoked I wouldn't bother with that.

That's the rub. When I started all I knew was that a head shop up the road sold something called an EVOD that worked better than cigalikes. Someone recommended it to my wife, I picked one up for her and got one myself. Plus a few bottles of horrible Chinese juice. It took me a long time to figure out that there was more to it, and even longer to start DIY.

If it had been banned by then there's no way I would have made it up that vertical learning curve to the point where I could order decent hardware from China, obtain nicotine, wrap coils, and mix juice. All without even being able to try it out first.

Will there still be an ECF if BT wins? People like us advising newcomers how to evade the vaping laws and get stuff from China, with FDA spies logged in watching everything we say.

 

[CMD-Ky]

That's the rub. When I started all I knew was that a head shop up the road sold something called an EVOD that worked better than cigalikes. Someone recommended it to my wife, I picked one up for her and got one myself. Plus a few bottles of horrible Chinese juice. It took me a long time to figure out that there was more to it, and even longer to start DIY.








If it had been banned by then there's no way I would have made it up that vertical learning curve to the point where I could order decent hardware from China, obtain nicotine, wrap coils, and mix juice. All without even being able to try it out first.

Will there still be an ECF if BT wins? People like us advising newcomers how to evade the vaping laws and get stuff from China, with FDA spies logged in watching everything we say.

Do you mean that the government would spy on us? I am shocked, I say.

 

[Rossum]

Could you elaborate? I don't understand. Stones, I get. Run? You mean for political office? I would run but I lack the mendacity to run for a legislative or executive office. Mendacity being the primary character trait required for either branch. Probably, only Mrs CMD, aka "the most fortunate woman in the world", may be my only proponent.

Mendacity isn't required to run. It's just required to win (or even place or show). Unfortunately voters generally don't want to face the truth and they are rarely willing to vote for anyone who speaks it.

That said, I would go out of my way to vote for you, sir.

 

[soysos]

Could you elaborate? I don't understand. Stones, I get. Run? You mean for political office? I would run but I lack the mendacity to run for a legislative or executive office. Mendacity being the primary character trait required for either branch. Probably, only Mrs CMD, aka "the most fortunate woman in the world", may be my only proponent.

The guts, the nerve, who among us would take the initiative to represent our values in the political arena. I'm talking about getting open vapers into local and state legislatures.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Mendacity isn't required to run. It's just required to win (or even place or show). Unfortunately voters generally don't want to face the truth and they are rarely willing to vote for anyone who speaks it.

That said, I would go out of my way to vote for you, sir.

My humble thanks, Surly Curmudgeon, that gives me two, you and my lovely Mrs, I have to see who my opponent is to decide my vote. Of one thing we can all be certain, either by age or by mouth, I'll be term limited.

 

[Rossum]

Will there still be an ECF if BT wins? People like us advising newcomers how to evade the vaping laws and get stuff from China, with FDA spies logged in watching everything we say.

It would be pretty difficult to kill ECF. There are places that happily host much more controversial or "incorrect" sites than this.

As for being spied on, well.... What are they really gonna do, charge us with vaping? If it gets to the point where they're caging peaceable, honest people for consuming nicotine, then we will face some very difficult choices, but I think the chances of that are quite low.

 

[zoiDman]

Oh ... If there is a demand, I think the Chinese can manufacture as much VG or PG Nicotine Base liquid (for the DIY folks) that people are willing to order via the internet.

And they certainly can make lots and lots of 'Ready to Vape' juice.

I think the Chinese would take full advantage of a situation where the US government heavily taxes ready made nicotine juice and nicotine VG / PG base liquid (DIY).

I would certainly order from a Chinese company if the US government starts taxing any vaping material that contains nicotine.

Sure... China can make Swimming Pools full of Nicotine Base.

But if it is going to be Face-2-Face transactions only in the US, why are you so Sure that you can just Order it on the Internet?

How Exactly were you going to pay for it? Paypal? Perhaps your Credit Card?

And then there is the Small Problem of getting it to Your Door. Gonna have it delivered via the USPS?

The Feds aren't Stupid. They'll go after Credit Card and Shipping Companies like Fed-X and UPS. It's what I would do.

 

[caramel]

You could always smoke. That was the plan from the beginning.

 

[CMD-Ky]

You could always smoke. That was the plan from the beginning.

Laughing, good point, caramel, good point.

 

[CMD-Ky]

If one-half of the 40,000 members of CASAA sent in $10 that would be a sizable war chest of $200,000. The cost to each individual is small. We watch or, better, participate with CASAA; If CASAA uses the $200K wisely, then those who can afford to do it again, should. I am going to do it now.

Done ** Confirmation number: 1N931066U5285182Y

So, any other takers. Money talks and [self-regulation] walks. We want something done and "done" takes money and effort.

 

[beckdg]

Sure... China can make Swimming Pools full of Nicotine Base.

But if it is going to be Face-2-Face transactions only in the US, why are you so Sure that you can just Order it on the Internet?

How Exactly were you going to pay for it? Paypal? Perhaps your Credit Card?

And then there is the Small Problem of getting it to Your Door. Gonna have it delivered via the USPS?

The Feds aren't Stupid. They'll go after Credit Card and Shipping Companies like Fed-X and UPS. It's what I would do.

bitcoins, duh!

but... ummm... the feds are dumber* than we give them credit for, often.

to target a shipper, they have to confiscate an entire shipping container. you'd be surprised at the resources they don't have for this. most of the time they have to cherry pick containers coming from known terrorist harboring countries. china containers are usually a free pass... at least through newark, dc and baltimore. (3 cities for which i've delivered to and picked up at the facilities that do this very thing.)

 

[Rossum]

So, any other takers. Money talks and [self-regulation] walks. We want something done and "done" takes money and effort.

Confirmation number: 9NU55274683440310

 

[CMD-Ky]

Confirmation number: 9NU55274683440310

Yahoo! That's $20 - one half the ECF members at $10 each is $200k. Things can happen with that kind of money if well spent. Give CASAA $10, watch what they do with it and, if justified, give again. This whole thread is about doing "something", get off the forum, go the website and do something.

 

[beckdg]

Confirmation number: 8Y486202B6863360N

 

[zoiDman]

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[Rossum]

Yahoo! That's $20

You're assuming I only donated $10. That's a bad assumption.

 

[HazyShades]

Correct me if I'm wrong, wouldn't such a suit also require a party who had achieved standing by having violated such a ban?

I think you can challenge a statute in court w/o having violated it.
However, one of the first things I learned when studying legal bru-ha-ha is that in order to sue amunicipality one has to get their permission first.
Note you can't just demand that the Supreme Court hear a case.
You gotta submit it for their consideration.

The deck is stacked.
Somebody cm y I think pointed out that
Prez O has a phone and a pen and that's about the way
the cookie crumbles.

There is a saying in Spanish,
"Camaron que se duerme se lo lleva la corriente"

If the shrimp falls asleep he gets carried away by the current.

We've all been asleep while the tide of tyranny carries our freedom away...
WAKE UP, SHRIMP!

Regards,
Hazy

 

[HazyShades]

Yahoo! That's $20 - one half the ECF members at $10 each is $200k. Things can happen with that kind of money if well spent. Give CASAA $10, watch what they do with it and, if justified, give again. This whole thread is about doing "something", get off the forum, go the website and do something.

Please pardon my cynicism. But I think the key words
in your statement are "if well spent".

Meetings, hotel rooms, pseudo lobbyists, salaried staff, administrative costs...
I'm sorry but I don't think dog tags or t-shirts will cut it.
With all due respect to my card carrying dog tag wearing vaping colleagues
from my perspective some of these organizations look more like
social clubs for vaping snobs and old ladies than
militant activists with a mission.

Regards,
Hazy

 

[V8porism]

Ignore the ANTZ.


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