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I most certainly agree with this:
For me the keyword is Proposed.
To put forward for consideration, discussion, or adoption; suggest: i.e. propose a change in the law.
For me this means there is still a long way to go. Something Proposed is Not set in stone, it is a fluid and negotiable word, one which carries the promise of compromise. It leaves scope for further input and discussion.
E-cigs may officially be classified as a tobacco product and they may get taxed. However, the same Active ingredient is presented in both e-cigs and NRT and this opens the door to a whole host of appeals, debate, legal argument and new proposals.
I do not believe njoy or Lorillard or any other large Multinational will sit back and allow their investment to go down the Suwannee on proposals declared by the FDA which may have a negative impact on their business. The FDA have tried and failed before, there is no evidence to suggest they will succeed this time either.
As far as the EU Directive is concerned, I'd like to quote the UK's Foreign Secretary the Right Honourable William Hague MP:
People feel that the EU is a one-way process, a great machine that sucks up decision-making from national parliaments to the European level until everything is decided by the EU. That needs to change.
It is my opinion that one will not find a larger group of Useless Knobheads than those installed in Brussels. I do not believe this Directive will come to fruition either.
But my beliefs do not prevent me from signing petitions and taking an active role where I can to help implement change.
What I will Not do is run around like a headless chook, buying endless supplies of nicotine liquid and paraphernalia in the event of some sort of apocalypse and succumb to mass hysteria that seems to have enveloped this forum.
For me the keyword is Proposed.
To put forward for consideration, discussion, or adoption; suggest: i.e. propose a change in the law.
For me this means there is still a long way to go. Something Proposed is Not set in stone, it is a fluid and negotiable word, one which carries the promise of compromise. It leaves scope for further input and discussion.
E-cigs may officially be classified as a tobacco product and they may get taxed. However, the same Active ingredient is presented in both e-cigs and NRT and this opens the door to a whole host of appeals, debate, legal argument and new proposals.
I do not believe njoy or Lorillard or any other large Multinational will sit back and allow their investment to go down the Suwannee on proposals declared by the FDA which may have a negative impact on their business. The FDA have tried and failed before, there is no evidence to suggest they will succeed this time either.
As far as the EU Directive is concerned, I'd like to quote the UK's Foreign Secretary the Right Honourable William Hague MP:
People feel that the EU is a one-way process, a great machine that sucks up decision-making from national parliaments to the European level until everything is decided by the EU. That needs to change.
It is my opinion that one will not find a larger group of Useless Knobheads than those installed in Brussels. I do not believe this Directive will come to fruition either.
But my beliefs do not prevent me from signing petitions and taking an active role where I can to help implement change.
What I will Not do is run around like a headless chook, buying endless supplies of nicotine liquid and paraphernalia in the event of some sort of apocalypse and succumb to mass hysteria that seems to have enveloped this forum.
seems to me the only reason they would want to ban ecigs is because the difficulty in regulating them. they have obvious benefits and the FDA will collect money from them, but a slight change in wording in the marketing of ecigs is likely to keep the product around. as someone said before, slim ego flashlight batteries...coffee flavored cooking oil that contains nicotine, candle wicks...the list goes on and on and it seems outlawing or regulating will only cause a gray market with ingenious disclaimers at the end of bizarre ads.
Who knows. Maybe they'll just ban tanks...as in..."You don't need a 30 hit magazine..it just looks like too much" and we'll all have to go back to clearos. They'll think they did something to justify their existence and we can all continue to vape. Of course there will be a huge war in Congress about it.
Or not.
Yeah...it's the usual "Big Government" or "Big Government as a Tool of Big Pharama/Tobacco" concerns. Banning nic. Then we'll only get it in high-priced OTC cartridges.
Seriously, with ACA and insurance in general, public health, etc. it's in their best interest to let nicotine itself be in the marketplace to keep costs down. Taxing it is another issue entirely...
Or not.
Yeah...it's the usual "Big Government" or "Big Government as a Tool of Big Pharama/Tobacco" concerns. Banning nic. Then we'll only get it in high-priced OTC cartridges.
Seriously, with ACA and insurance in general, public health, etc. it's in their best interest to let nicotine itself be in the marketplace to keep costs down. Taxing it is another issue entirely...
Don't forget the automatic batteries. They're just too scary looking.
Call me Jaded if you like.
But I believe that Lorillard had Full Disclosure of Exactly what the FDA will do BEFORE they bought Blu.
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I call that conjecture brilliant. It would be foolhardy of them to just assume an outcome that would favor deep pockets, market presence and experience in navigating the regulatory waters. This storm was on the horizon long before their purchase. You ARE paying attention!
BluCigs as a company was formed in 2008 though, and it seems like the cutoff date tossed around for grandfathering is 2007. Perhaps they'll be some kind of concession towards "better technology" to that date. If I were jaded, I'd guess something like a year.
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I have my Moments.
And you know what they say... "Even a Broken Clock is Right Twice a Day."
Give yourself more credit. That's the first time I've seen anyone put that particular 2 & 2 together....
Another good insurance against this bullshi+ is sacrificing a little vape money to fund the Good Guys. Freedom is never free.
my gut feeling is that the "deeming" regulation will be on underage purchases and/or internet sales.. as in, no more internet juice sales.. just my speculation.
wasn't there something recently about FDA or some other gov't agency investigating ecig advertising emails/spam? (yes, I'm too lazy to search)
wasn't there something recently about FDA or some other gov't agency investigating ecig advertising emails/spam? (yes, I'm too lazy to search)
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I may have posted it First.
But trust me, there are Others here who Connected those Dots just as I did when the Sale of Blu was Announced.
Well, as I know some people that have ordered some things that are felonies to possess in the US via post from foreign country's (well know for the production of said illegal substance) for years, and literally hundreds of things. I know people that order all kinds of illicit and counterfeit meds from online pharmacy's that I know are all kinds of illegal to own without a prescription.
The FDA has been so tremendously ineffective at stopping any of these types of things, it actually boggles the mind.
Hey Wizard Labs guys . . . I know you just moved and all, but The Caymen Islands are really nice, no nasty regulations about nicotine . . . and only adds 1 day to shipping to the mainland US (hmm, large scale corporate tax shelter locations amazingly have great mail systems that work very well with the US post office . . . who knew?).
I mean yes, I am still going mechanical, getting into RBA's and starting to mix my own juice, but here's the thing, I've been meaning to do all these things for like a year now (I was looking at getting into DIY when I started 3 years ago). This was just the kick in the pants that I really needed, and why have I been looking at going full DIY? Because I am sick of waiting for Vapermail every 2 weeks. I would love to save some money as well, but honestly, ordering all this crap from places that aren't amazon (with prime shipping of course) and relying on the USPS is starting to drive me slowly insane . . .
But the bottom line is, unless they classify nicotine as a Schedule 1 drug, I don't imagine it will be hard to get your hands on at all (I also hear Cancun is nice all year round guys . . .), just be a bit more expensive, and little longer wait, and maybe a tiny bit shadier.
The FDA has been so tremendously ineffective at stopping any of these types of things, it actually boggles the mind.
Hey Wizard Labs guys . . . I know you just moved and all, but The Caymen Islands are really nice, no nasty regulations about nicotine . . . and only adds 1 day to shipping to the mainland US (hmm, large scale corporate tax shelter locations amazingly have great mail systems that work very well with the US post office . . . who knew?).
I mean yes, I am still going mechanical, getting into RBA's and starting to mix my own juice, but here's the thing, I've been meaning to do all these things for like a year now (I was looking at getting into DIY when I started 3 years ago). This was just the kick in the pants that I really needed, and why have I been looking at going full DIY? Because I am sick of waiting for Vapermail every 2 weeks. I would love to save some money as well, but honestly, ordering all this crap from places that aren't amazon (with prime shipping of course) and relying on the USPS is starting to drive me slowly insane . . .
But the bottom line is, unless they classify nicotine as a Schedule 1 drug, I don't imagine it will be hard to get your hands on at all (I also hear Cancun is nice all year round guys . . .), just be a bit more expensive, and little longer wait, and maybe a tiny bit shadier.
I like to think of the FDA as something for people that don't know any better, I think anyone who can write their full name should get a waiver
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