Hypothetical question - just wondering...

[rokyo87]

I doubt it... But I can't be 100% sure - of course.

What if...?

Well, in that case I'd have to admit I'd made a mistake and quit vaping. I quit smoking for health concerns, so what else? It would be a shame though... And the irrational anti-vaping squad would be justified. Double shame.

That is what I am afraid the most... Irrational anti-vaping squad will win in this case and they would tell us: "We told you that you made a bad decision but you didn't listen to us! Here, take some NRTs and obey us!"...

And that's a reason why I am afraid recommending vaping to smokers and passionately advocating vaping... We just don't know long-term health effects...

 

[7sixtwo]

Long term Soda drinking is devastating , never knew that until i saw my Aunt's health go from decent to as bad as it gets on a mostly soda diet .

That's the sugar, not the soda. Eliminate sugar, (and most carbs), from your diet. Your pancreas will thank you.

As for the question in the OP: if vaping really were anywhere near as harmful or addictive as smoking, I think the nefarious powers that be wouldn't be attacking it so much. Whatever their propaganda, at the end of the day they need people to smoke, get sick, and die.

All I know is that I'm a lot healthier now than I was as a smoker.

 

[rgerber]

What if I continental to squonk and was not cranky? God forbid...

 

[OlderNDirt]

And that's a reason why I am afraid recommending vaping to smokers and passionately advocating vaping... We just don't know long-term health effects...

If I am reading this right, your reluctance to recommend vaping to smokers and/or advocate vaping indicates a belief that their is no or little benefit to vaping over smoking? And again, I may be wrong, but it reads as though you suggest abstinence from vaping until "long-term health effect" are known. Just curious how long before those effects, or lack thereof, are "know?"

 

[milandjikic]

Hypothetically speaking, we will probably be dead in that time, or grow some serious diseases in a lot greater magnitude then any smoker ever has.
Non hypothetically speaking, some of us have been vapers for over 6-7 years, and none of them reported any health problems all that time, on the contrary, they have all reported only benefits
To counter the fact that vapers have been nothing but better health in 6-7 years time period, each and every passionate smoker can report some negative health symptoms from smoking. So i would dare to say that 6-7 years time period is long enough to determine any kind of long term exposure.

 

[rokyo87]

If I am reading this right, your reluctance to recommend vaping to smokers and/or advocate vaping indicates a belief that their is no or little benefit to vaping over smoking? And again, I may be wrong, but it reads as though you suggest abstinence from vaping until "long-term health effect" are known. Just curious how long before those effects, or lack thereof, are "know?"

I am a natural worrier I know... And every fear-mongering about vaping in media makes my brains wants to explode... Popcorn lungs, Formaldehyde, Aldehydes, "No long-term health effects", "may cause cancer", chemicals, battery explosion, "inhaling flavours is dangerous", heavy metals, etc... My brains goes

I am vaping on eVic-VTC mini, with Kanthal coil, 1 Ohm, between 13 - 17 Watts, M2L, cca 5 - 7 ml/day, unflavoured e-liquids. I am afraid of sub-Ohm vaping because battery can explode and you can produce more bad chemicals with sub-ohm. I am afraid to dry-burn my Kanthal coils, because there is a danger that some extra bad chemicals will leach from the coil. I am afraid to vape Direct2Lung because there is so much vapour, which goes directly deep to your lungs and we don't know exactly how vapour affects our lungs. I am afraid of flavours because we don't know much about inhaling them. I am afraid that one day I will get cancer and doctor will say: "This is from vaping! We told you that we don't have long-term health effects from vaping!".

Sometimes I just think I would be better to stick with cigarettes...

 

[OlderNDirt]

I am a natural worrier I know... And every fear-mongering about vaping in media makes my brains wants to explode... Popcorn lungs, Formaldehyde, Aldehydes, "No long-term health effects", "may cause cancer", chemicals, battery explosion, "inhaling flavours is dangerous", heavy metals, etc... My brains goes

I am vaping on eVic-VTC mini, with Kanthal coil, 1 Ohm, between 13 - 17 Watts, M2L, cca 5 - 7 ml/day, unflavoured e-liquids. I am afraid of sub-Ohm vaping because battery can explode and you can produce more bad chemicals with sub-ohm. I am afraid to dry-burn my Kanthal coils, because there is a danger that some extra bad chemicals will leach from the coil. I am afraid to vape Direct2Lung because there is so much vapour, which goes directly deep to your lungs and we don't know exactly how vapour affects our lungs. I am afraid of flavours because we don't know much about inhaling them. I am afraid that one day I will get cancer and doctor will say: "This is from vaping! We told you that we don't have long-term health effects from vaping!".

Sometimes I just think I would be better to stick with cigarettes...

By no means am I singling you out on this, just that after reading "we don't know long term effects" so many times on the forums, I choose this time to ask my questions and make my point.

I've been "around a while" and have seen all the warnings come and go with many of them being retracted after years of concern. Clearly it is much worse now then it was 40 - 50 years ago and I won't bother anybody with examples. One of the things that bothers me the most is the challenge to prove a negative......in this case, prove that it is entirely safe. It's been a while, a long while since I have been in school, but I subscribe to the premise that it is impossible to prove a negative.

As it relates to vaping, can it ever be proven that there is no harm or adverse effect from vaping now, tomorrow, next year, or into eternity? I understand and accept your concerns and support your convictions to your concerns. I only take exception to those who believe all others should share their same concerns or that the activity should be restricted or eliminated until that negative is proven. We should all make our choices based on what we think is best for us and be at peace with those choices.

So all is good. But if anybody has a definitive answer to when we will know the long term-effects from vaping, I would still love to hear about it.

 

[choochoogranny]

I KNOW if I cross a street I COULD be run over by a vehicle. I KNOW if I go swimming I COULD drown. I KNOW if I walk down stairs I COULD fall and break my neck. I KNOW if I fry my bacon in a skillet, I COULD get burnt by popping grease. I KNEW as a smoker I had a better chance of developing COPD or lung cancer.

I still do all those things EXCEPT smoking, so I MAY live a little longer......unless the grease gets me. Ha!

 

[herb]

That's the sugar, not the soda. Eliminate sugar, (and most carbs), from your diet. Your pancreas will thank you.

As for the question in the OP: if vaping really were anywhere near as harmful or addictive as smoking, I think the nefarious powers that be wouldn't be attacking it so much. Whatever their propaganda, at the end of the day they need people to smoke, get sick, and die.

All I know is that I'm a lot healthier now than I was as a smoker.

Amazingly she only drinks diet soda with sugar substitutes but maybe the harm is from one of those.

 

[Woofer]

And every fear-mongering about vaping in media makes my brains wants to explode... Popcorn lungs, Formaldehyde, Aldehydes, "No long-term health effects", "may cause cancer", chemicals, battery explosion, "inhaling flavours is dangerous", heavy metals, etc... My brains goes

I'm having more fun, my brain goes

Consider destroying your TV, you will be happier. <nods>

 

[brummyjon]

Interesting you mentioned that , i have said from the beginning that if it weren't for the " appearance of vapor looking identical to smoke) vaping would be much more widely accepted .

I would have no problem and actually prefer they didn't admit any vapor at all as long as they worked the same , many people seem to be fascinated with the appearance of smoke though and seem to need to see vapor to convince themselves the e cig is working .

I don't understand it but whatever.

Agreed. But if vaping were any less like smoking, then millions of people would not have been persuaded to make the jump. And the regulators and media would not be bothered any way, because they would not be bombarded with lobbying and subliminal negative messages from tobacco and pharmaceutical companies.

The bad press is not a sign of the industry's failure, but of its huge success.