I am beginning to understand what Big Tobacco really fears about vaping.

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Its that you naturally wind up weaning yourself off nicotine. Its not a maybe, or a could be, its a natural, if not unstoppable, progression.

When I first started vaping, I vaped allot of 36 mg nic. I used it in the Protank and a Kayfun, and it kept the boogeyman at bay.
A few months in a started using a dripper at .4 ohms and still used the 36mg nic, and loved it, this was about between 2 and 5 months of being tobacco free.

At about 5 months I bought a fogger and was still using the 36 mg, but not as much, I stopped buying the 36 at about 5.5 months and started buying 24mg from then on due to a number of reasons, but none of them came about due to wanting to cut the nic down, it was economics mostly. But it really did`nt affect my vaping experience, I did not notice so much except I knew I was saving money by going with 24mg.

IN the last month, Iv started making my own juice. I immediately started out making some 30mg (it makes the mixing numbers easy with such an odd ratio, LOL), and while I like it, I`m not vaping it the way I would have early on in the journey. IN fact, Iv only got one juice I`m making at 30 and the rest mostly are 25, but there are a two deserts that are 20 and 15, cheery, and cheese cake respectfully.

NOW, whilst vaping the 30mg cowboy killer last night, I decided it was time to step that down to 25 as with the rest, Iv got one bottle of 30mg and it may last a while the way I feel about it now. I liked it, the rush was good. But it started to turn my stomach much sooner then it would have 3 months ago, and now I can see the writing on the wall so to say. I think one of the reasons is of course better delivery of the nic. Im no longer using the protank, Im mostly using the fogger, an orchid, and a number of drippers, most at about half ohm resistance. So the atomization of the juice (and consequently the nic) is a night and day difference compared to the old protank, so I think this has much to do with it. But now I`m naturally going for more flavor instead of trying to get a good nic fix. And I`m happy with it, totally Vape Happy with what I`m doing at this point.

So, to get me back to my original hypothesis, Its my firm belief now, that Big Tobacco knows this will happen! They have been researching people and their addictions far longer then anyone will admit, they have put the foot work into knowing what the psychology of their customer base is. And now not only do they fear what the natural progression of vaping is, I believe they KNOW IT to a FACT. They KNOW IT WORKS as a cessation aid, and they fear it because they have absolutely NO back up business plan.
 
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Good god dripping 36mg nic??? That would put me on the floor.......I thought the guy at the B&M earlier dripping 12mg had iron lungs and a nic tolerance lol........I started at 24mg in clearos dropped to 18mg using aspire bvc's. I'm using the last of my 12mg in my Orchid at .7 and get a good nic rush. I have some 3mg for my tug but don't drip much anymore. I picked up 90ml of 6mg for the orchid earlier and I'll cut back from there.
 

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Good god dripping 36mg nic??? That would put me on the floor.......I thought the guy at the B&M earlier dripping 12mg had iron lungs and a nic tolerance lol........I started at 24mg in clearos dropped to 18mg using aspire bvc's. I'm using the last of my 12mg in my Orchid at .7 and get a good nic rush. I have some 3mg for my tug but don't drip much anymore. I picked up 90ml of 6mg for the orchid earlier and I'll cut back from there.

I was a hard case. LOL

When I quite tobacco, I had been smoking cigars for the last ten years after a 30 years of cigarettes. Not just any old cigars either, I don`t mean back and milds or swisher sweets. No, I was smoking the strongest darkest Nicaraguan cigars I could afford. So much so, when I first started vaping I really did`nt t think it would work. I tried to quite countless times over the years, but NIC "IS" the MOST addictive substance known to man, forget the other stuff, NIC is king in its ability to develop addictive receptors in the brain. But here I am, going on 9 months and loving life more then I ever did. This BS about it not being a legitimate cessation aid is nothing more then a BIG LIE, a full blown conspiracy between the Politicians, Big Pharma, and Big Tobacco, and the greed and dishonesty of the players involved piss`s me off to no end.
 

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This BS about it not being a legitimate cessation aid is nothing more then a BIG LIE, a full blown conspiracy between the Politicians, Big Pharma, and Big Tobacco, and the greed and dishonesty of the players involved piss`s me off to no end.
Sounds like capitalism. ;) (sarcasm)

I mostly agree with your idea. Big pockets control just about everything in this world. They don't give a hoot whether our vaping products actually work and save lives or not; they are only interested in their bottom line of $$$$$ and if that product cuts into their profit margins then they do what they can to eliminate the problem.

On a related matter, are you a member of CASAA yet? The link to join is in my sig.
 
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I didn't plan on quitting tobacco. I had hope, I wanted to, but had no expectation of quitting. 6 weeks into vaping and I just didn't smoke anymore. As my setup (equipment and my ability to rebuild) improved my nic level naturally dropped. The initial drop was always because of improved nic delivery and my old nic level was just too much. The thing is, the next lower readily available nic level was delivering much less nic even with each new improved setup. So, of course, I'd vape more volume in a day to try to make up the difference. I already chain vape when I can; so, that would leave little extra time. And over a couple of weeks I'd settle back into my normal routine and I'd be consuming the same volume per day as I was before but at half the nic level.

I wonder if those that stick with clearos for years without getting into higher output devices find the drop in nic as easy.

I think the real kick in the balls to Big Tobacco is at some point, for many of us, vaping becomes truly preferential to smoking. Many here will never know because they won't risk it. But most of us who have had a drag or a smoke far enough after completely switching to vaping will confirm, vaping is a better experience than smoking. I couldn't imagine going back.
 

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Sounds like capitalism. ;)

I mostly agree with your idea. Big pockets control just about everything in this world. They don't give a hoot whether our vaping products actually work and save lives or not; they are only interested in their bottom line of $$$$$.

On a related matter, are you a member of CASAA yet? The link to join is in my sig.

Sure am Bad, did that about one and half month in, when I started to get the feeling this could work for me.

Now, capitalism is a good thing, each according to his own work and investment. Crony Capitalism is what makes the whole premise look bad, and gives socialism the foothold it needs in the misguided belief that capitalism is all bad. Laws are supposed to control the cancer that is crony capitalism, more appropriately termed fraud, and keep the playing field fair for everybody. But that`s another story, :?(
 

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Good god dripping 36mg nic??? That would put me on the floor.......I thought the guy at the B&M earlier dripping 12mg had iron lungs and a nic tolerance lol........I started at 24mg in clearos dropped to 18mg using aspire bvc's. I'm using the last of my 12mg in my Orchid at .7 and get a good nic rush. I have some 3mg for my tug but don't drip much anymore. I picked up 90ml of 6mg for the orchid earlier and I'll cut back from there.

you missed the part about "4 ohms"
started using a dripper at 4 ohms and still used the 36mg nic

4 ohms at 4 volts = 4 watts
the number to look at is wattmilligrams: 4 watts x 36mg = 144 Wmg

1 ohm at 4 volts = 16 watts
16 watts x 9mg = 144 Wmg

0.5 ohm at 4 volts = 32 watts
32 watts x 4mg = 128 Wmg
 
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have you really dropped your nic consumption?? ;) hi ohm hi nic is nearly equal to low ohm low nic due to increased vapor density....

kinda like saying... 2 tablespoons of sugar in a cup of water as compared to 2 tablespoons of sugar in a quart of water.... you still are consuming the 2 tablespoons of sugar cuz you have increased the amount of water you are drinking... :)
 
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Big tobacco has been in the e-cig industry since 2012 and loving it. They still have 20% of the population smoking and now they've got hobby vapers. Lorrilard owns Blu Cigarettes for instance. (I can't remember what brands Lorrilard has, Benson and Hedges maybe?) British American Tobacco and Phillip Morris are marketing their own brands. Altria owns GreenSmoke and is building a "mark10" brand. I think I read somewhere that Blu uses Johnson Creek e-juice? I don't know who owns Johnson? Big tobacco is already all over the industry and looking to aquire brand names.
 

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Sounds like capitalism. ;) (sarcasm)

I mostly agree with your idea. Big pockets control just about everything in this world. They don't give a hoot whether our vaping products actually work and save lives or not; they are only interested in their bottom line of $$$$$ and if that product cuts into their profit margins then they do what they can to eliminate the problem.

On a related matter, are you a member of CASAA yet? The link to join is in my sig.

A few days ago I read in a UK newspaper, some tobacco company research lab had been experimenting with e-cigs and mice as test subjects.

Apparently; they succeeded in killing a few of the mice, and are now touting it as proof that e-cigs are no better than tobacco.
 

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So, to get me back to my original hypothesis, Its my firm belief now, that Big Tobacco knows this will happen! They have been researching people and their addictions far longer then anyone will admit, they have put the foot work into knowing what the psychology of their customer base is. And now not only do they fear what the natural progression of vaping is, I believe they KNOW IT to a FACT. They KNOW IT WORKS as a cessation aid, and they fear it because they have absolutely NO back up business plan.

Absolutely No Backup Plan?

:facepalm:

When you are Playing Chess with someone. Just because your Opponent Pushes a Pawn, it Doesn't mean they are Not Getting Ready to Crush You with their White Bishop.
 
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Big tobacco has been in the e-cig industry since 2012 and loving it. They still have 20% of the population smoking and now they've got hobby vapers. Lorrilard owns Blu Cigarettes for instance. (I can't remember what brands Lorrilard has, Benson and Hedges maybe?) British American Tobacco and Phillip Morris are marketing their own brands. Altria owns GreenSmoke and is building a "mark10" brand. I think I read somewhere that Blu uses Johnson Creek e-juice? I don't know who owns Johnson? Big tobacco is already all over the industry and looking to aquire brand names.

True, BT has been in the market but recent market reports are showing sales from cig-a-likes are starting to decline. The major growth continues in the refillable tank end of the market and is driven by the high profit margin for e-juice sales.

Time will tell if BT wants to venture into the growth end of the market or will remain content lobbying for regulation in hopes of crushing the refillable tank and e-juice markets.
 
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