Vaping was not attacked Bigd. Go back and read the OP again. He had a problem and posted about it. That's what this forum is all about.
Chill and vape on
I Give Up On E-Cigs For Now
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Vaping was not attacked Bigd. Go back and read the OP again. He had a problem and posted about it. That's what this forum is all about.
Chill and vape on
I'll be honest, when I got so sick from both the 18mg *and* the 12mg, I felt very much the same way, was really scared I wouldn't be able to make a go of this, after I had already invested what was, for us, a fairly considerable sum, as well as the hopes I had invested that I might FINALLY be able to quit smoking.
That's primarily why I posted such a long original response to the OP, because even though I was a habitual smoker for a very long time and he clearly is not, I knew exactly how it felt to be made so sick by something that's *supposed* to be helpful. I know everyone says "start high, you can always lower it," but I think when people say that, they're considering their OWN budgets, rather than those of people who may not be so financially able to just buy and buy and buy some more, or people like me, who have an EXTREME phobia to nausea/vomiting; to me it truly is a "fate worse than death."
I think it might actually be wiser to start low, because you can always ADD nicotine to a juice that's not strong enough; a juice that's too strong is either a waste of money, or it has to be mixed with a LOT of lower-nic or zero-nic juice, and it makes you sick to boot, which is NOT a good way to start anything, especially something so emotionally-fraught as quitting cigarettes!
CNYC, if you want to quit cigarettes, vaping is an excellent way to do it -- I've tried 4 times over the past 30 yrs to quit the stupid cursed things, and this is the FIRST time that I've felt I can really do it -- after 3 days without a cigarette, I am perfectly content to vape. No cravings, no mood swings, and having finally found a level of nicotine that suits *this* body, no sickness of any kind. I'm coughing far less after just 3 days, so I know that my health is going to take a dramatic upswing, the cleaner my lungs get -- I've had asthma for 30 yrs, and with no smoking, I think that asthma might virtually disappear, as it's never been very severe -- just terribly aggravated by smoking.
Be assured that yes, too much nicotine can make you DREADFULLY ill; it happened to me too, and it was horrible. With finding just the right level, *if any*, this becomes a completely realistic and feasible way to lay down the cigarettes and leave them down. I had completely given up hope that I would ever be able to quit -- even after watching my dad die of lung cancer -- but now, my life is CHANGED.
VAPE ON!
Andria
That's primarily why I posted such a long original response to the OP, because even though I was a habitual smoker for a very long time and he clearly is not, I knew exactly how it felt to be made so sick by something that's *supposed* to be helpful. I know everyone says "start high, you can always lower it," but I think when people say that, they're considering their OWN budgets, rather than those of people who may not be so financially able to just buy and buy and buy some more, or people like me, who have an EXTREME phobia to nausea/vomiting; to me it truly is a "fate worse than death."
I think it might actually be wiser to start low, because you can always ADD nicotine to a juice that's not strong enough; a juice that's too strong is either a waste of money, or it has to be mixed with a LOT of lower-nic or zero-nic juice, and it makes you sick to boot, which is NOT a good way to start anything, especially something so emotionally-fraught as quitting cigarettes!
CNYC, if you want to quit cigarettes, vaping is an excellent way to do it -- I've tried 4 times over the past 30 yrs to quit the stupid cursed things, and this is the FIRST time that I've felt I can really do it -- after 3 days without a cigarette, I am perfectly content to vape. No cravings, no mood swings, and having finally found a level of nicotine that suits *this* body, no sickness of any kind. I'm coughing far less after just 3 days, so I know that my health is going to take a dramatic upswing, the cleaner my lungs get -- I've had asthma for 30 yrs, and with no smoking, I think that asthma might virtually disappear, as it's never been very severe -- just terribly aggravated by smoking.
Be assured that yes, too much nicotine can make you DREADFULLY ill; it happened to me too, and it was horrible. With finding just the right level, *if any*, this becomes a completely realistic and feasible way to lay down the cigarettes and leave them down. I had completely given up hope that I would ever be able to quit -- even after watching my dad die of lung cancer -- but now, my life is CHANGED.
VAPE ON!
Andria
suppositories...
thanks.. you just ruined vaping for me
LOL.
It made me want to go for a voop
suppositories...
thanks.. you just ruined vaping for me
I thought it was a good thing that the VG helps keep it moving along.
And don't forget Neutrogena soap!
Andria
I specifically avoided mentioning the soap because we normally try to avoid getting soap in our mouth & eyes but yes, PG is in shampoo & conditioner. VG and sometimes PG is in lots of soap--especially the fancy molded ones.
Sucks the OP didn't stick with vaping. Since he isn't addicted to Nicotine, it should be easy to stop. While the stated intention behind this thread is specious, allow me to counter for anyone who may actually be "on the fence" about vaping.
I smoked 2+ PAD for over 20 years. I LOVE VAPING. It is superior to Tobacco in any, and every way imaginable. Frankly, I can not understand how anyone could ever go back to a stink-stick once they've vaped HV's 'Applebum', SJ's 'Andromeda', or any number of incredible E-Liquids out there? Furthermore, whatever pleasure I derived from exhaling sorry-... wisps of real smoke, is dwarfed by the clouds provided by a simple MC setup w/ cotton on any RDA.
When I first tried a 'Blu', I spent the whole day wishing analogs tasted that good. Since I've gone to mods/mechs/RBAs, my very LIFE ITSELF has improved.
Vapor saved my life. Not only mine, but my Fiance's, as well. Vapor has at the very least, assured my Son that neither of his parents will be taken from him because of any medical condition related to heavy Tobacco usage.
Perhaps the OP's post is better suited for a general health/medical forum? Questioning the wisdom behind E-Cigarette use on a message board dedicated solely to it's usage, can only provide one general result: Rampant disagreement.
What REALLY proves irksome, is the unsubstantiated claim that vapor is causing the user harm. Naturally. In some way, however small, inhaling anything other than Air is bound to leave a mark. However, E-Cig vapor is at the bottom of an extremely long list of toxins we interface with on a daily basis. Include in that everything from the stain/color guarding on our carpets, auto-interiors, and furniture, to the dyes in our clothes, air-fresheners we breathe, personal fragrances, cleaning solutions, and car-exhaust we all inhale en masse.
I don't believe there is any retailer, manufacturer, or organization promoting vaping to the general, non-analog-smoking, public. Vapor is an avenue for heavy smokers to save their lives.
I smoked 2+ PAD for over 20 years. I LOVE VAPING. It is superior to Tobacco in any, and every way imaginable. Frankly, I can not understand how anyone could ever go back to a stink-stick once they've vaped HV's 'Applebum', SJ's 'Andromeda', or any number of incredible E-Liquids out there? Furthermore, whatever pleasure I derived from exhaling sorry-... wisps of real smoke, is dwarfed by the clouds provided by a simple MC setup w/ cotton on any RDA.
When I first tried a 'Blu', I spent the whole day wishing analogs tasted that good. Since I've gone to mods/mechs/RBAs, my very LIFE ITSELF has improved.
Vapor saved my life. Not only mine, but my Fiance's, as well. Vapor has at the very least, assured my Son that neither of his parents will be taken from him because of any medical condition related to heavy Tobacco usage.
Perhaps the OP's post is better suited for a general health/medical forum? Questioning the wisdom behind E-Cigarette use on a message board dedicated solely to it's usage, can only provide one general result: Rampant disagreement.
What REALLY proves irksome, is the unsubstantiated claim that vapor is causing the user harm. Naturally. In some way, however small, inhaling anything other than Air is bound to leave a mark. However, E-Cig vapor is at the bottom of an extremely long list of toxins we interface with on a daily basis. Include in that everything from the stain/color guarding on our carpets, auto-interiors, and furniture, to the dyes in our clothes, air-fresheners we breathe, personal fragrances, cleaning solutions, and car-exhaust we all inhale en masse.
I don't believe there is any retailer, manufacturer, or organization promoting vaping to the general, non-analog-smoking, public. Vapor is an avenue for heavy smokers to save their lives.
You're right on any number of points.
The last couple cigarettes I smoked after starting to vape regularly, tasted like... I can't even think of anything remotely that bitter that I would willingly bring anywhere near my face, nevermind breathe into my mouth and lungs. But, I'm amazed that you liked the Blu; I found it much too sweet, much like pipe tobacco; not my taste at all.
As to your son, I can only say that I wish these things had come out when they were first invented in 1963, because then my father would probably still be alive, instead of 8 yrs in the grave.
As to all those other noxious chemicals and odors that humans routinely subject themselves to, all I can say is that car exhaust makes cigarette smoke smell like spring flowers -- nevermind diesel exhaust from trucks and buses, and that godawful STENCH from laying tar on new roadway. I find the smell of any tobacco smoke rather disgusting now, just 3 days... well I guess it's technically 4 days now... after quitting, but I'd far rather smell the most odorous stogie than have to breathe the fumes of dead dinosaurs!
As to your last point, yes, but I know of one exception to the "heavy smoker" it can save -- my son used to smoke, is currently not smoking, but has told me recently that when he smells tobacco smoke lately, he still feels the pining, the craving, and is considering taking it back up. He's currently out of state, so I asked him if he could, to try and refrain at least until he's back, and I will set him up with my old eRoll and get him started as a vaper instead, to try and nip that BEFORE it's a bud. He's had bronchitis his whole life, so he has no business being in the same room with a lit cigarette, nevermind smoking them himself! I agree that as a current non-smoker, he'd be better off to just leave it all alone, but if he's determined to stop the craving, far better for him to vape than to start up again with the cigarettes.
Andria
Surely just using 0MG e-juice when you'd normally smoke would be the wiser choice?
I understand that you rarely smoke but it's still dangerous.
Just thinking about your health more than anything.
James
I understand that you rarely smoke but it's still dangerous.
Just thinking about your health more than anything.
James
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I feel a lot better since I last posted. I agree with everyone that it must have been a nicotine OD. I also assume total responsibility for not researching the mg's/juices as much as I did the machines. To be honest I gave no thought to the E-Liquid until I was at the check out cart online and needed "something" to fill up my E-Cig. 12mg MEDIUM seemed to a good place to start. I was wrong !
Anyway I wanted to try something new. I purchased a 6mg juice from Halo and when it arrived today I took 2 vapes from it and it sent me back into "sick" mode. Sick meaning dizzy slightly nauseous and with vertigo symptoms. It feels like I am stoned.
I am beginning to think that I am allergic to the other ingredients. There is no way those 2 toots off my E-Cig with 6mg juice would do this to me from a nicotine perspective right ? It's been over 30 minutes and I still feel this way.
Someone mentioned trying a 100% VG juice and cutting it with a little water if it was too thick. Has anybody tried this ?
I will back off again for a few days then maybe try a VG juice but I've read that sometimes people have the same problems with VG. Can anybody shed some light on this ?
I don't know how I got through 3 weeks without feeling ill...odd.
I'd really like this to work for me. Thank You for the advice.
I feel a lot better since I last posted. I agree with everyone that it must have been a nicotine OD. I also assume total responsibility for not researching the mg's/juices as much as I did the machines. To be honest I gave no thought to the E-Liquid until I was at the check out cart online and needed "something" to fill up my E-Cig. 12mg MEDIUM seemed to a good place to start. I was wrong !
Anyway I wanted to try something new. I purchased a 6mg juice from Halo and when it arrived today I took 2 vapes from it and it sent me back into "sick" mode. Sick meaning dizzy slightly nauseous and with vertigo symptoms. It feels like I am stoned.
I am beginning to think that I am allergic to the other ingredients. There is no way those 2 toots off my E-Cig with 6mg juice would do this to me from a nicotine perspective right ? It's been over 30 minutes and I still feel this way.
Someone mentioned trying a 100% VG juice and cutting it with a little water if it was too thick. Has anybody tried this ?
I will back off again for a few days then maybe try a VG juice but I've read that sometimes people have the same problems with VG. Can anybody shed some light on this ?
I don't know how I got through 3 weeks without feeling ill...odd.
I'd really like this to work for me. Thank You for the advice.
If you don't smoke don't vape. Vaping is Harm reduction not not harmless. If you don't need it don't do it.
It realy seems like some intolerance of something in the liquid. Most likley the PG but it could be the VG aswell.
If i were you i'd buy some flavourless PG (pure) and VG (pure) At 0 nic to rule that out.
Try to vape the PG, then VG. To rules out intolerance for these. If it's okay with these, it's probably something in the flavour.
Also what are you using to vape with? Sub ohming a mech with 6mg can give a great hit i've heard (Ive no experience on that so don't take my word for it)
Myself is chainvaping 24mg... Using 50/50 blends, my 70/30 is abit harsh for my throat when i vape it, either it's because pg intolerance or just the fact that PG is harser than VG.
However if i try a regular cigg now, i get sick (yuck...)
If i were you i'd buy some flavourless PG (pure) and VG (pure) At 0 nic to rule that out.
Try to vape the PG, then VG. To rules out intolerance for these. If it's okay with these, it's probably something in the flavour.
Also what are you using to vape with? Sub ohming a mech with 6mg can give a great hit i've heard (Ive no experience on that so don't take my word for it)
Myself is chainvaping 24mg... Using 50/50 blends, my 70/30 is abit harsh for my throat when i vape it, either it's because pg intolerance or just the fact that PG is harser than VG.
However if i try a regular cigg now, i get sick (yuck...)
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Eliminate ONE thing at a time to determine where the issue lies.
1- Try ZERO mg juice (no nicotine at all)
2- Try high-PG
3- Try high VG
4- Try unflavored
Unless you are willing to test ALL OF THE ABOVE IN ORDER, then there is nothing anyone can do to help you from there. Randomly deciding to try this, then that will eventually get your answer (maybe), but it would be a journey no one can help you with.
If this is the first time you've had Nicotine since you last vaped, then absolutely even a 6mg dose could leave you lightheaded and nauseous.
As so many have said, vaping is for ex-smokers, and I agree 100%. It's the sole reason the hipsters and teens crowding in vape shops boil my blood.
If you just wanna exhale vapor and blow rings, go to a 0-Nic juice. 100%VG. More vapor, less ingredients. If you NEED a bigger throat hit from the VG vape, that's when you go to sub-Ohm builds, and get into that end of things when and if you need to.
Just 2 questions: What FLAVOR are you vaping when you get dizzy? Is this always happening with the same flavor of juice, or is it equivalent regardless of which flavor you use?
As so many have said, vaping is for ex-smokers, and I agree 100%. It's the sole reason the hipsters and teens crowding in vape shops boil my blood.
If you just wanna exhale vapor and blow rings, go to a 0-Nic juice. 100%VG. More vapor, less ingredients. If you NEED a bigger throat hit from the VG vape, that's when you go to sub-Ohm builds, and get into that end of things when and if you need to.
Just 2 questions: What FLAVOR are you vaping when you get dizzy? Is this always happening with the same flavor of juice, or is it equivalent regardless of which flavor you use?
I do have some zero mg juice that I will eventually put into my tank but not today or probably not tomorrow...but soon. That should be a good indicator to go onto VG juice or not true or false ?
Today I vaped Turkish Tobacco 6mg by Halo. That is the juice that sold me on E-Cigs but at 12mg. It is also the juice that I first used after returning home from a 3 week trip while smoking at least a 1/2 pack (Marlboro Lights) daily. I was floored by the results. It is not uncommon for me to continue smoking for a good week or more when I return from these trips. The E-Cig KILLED any need for another cig..again floored.
I then moved onto Longhorn by Halo. I love it and is easily the favorite of what I've been able to try so far. No issues at all to my knowledge and I was becoming close friends with it. It wasn't until I started this thread that I had a hunch about any side effects. I thought maybe I over did it THAT day since I had no issues before. Been using at least 3 juices Longhorn , Turkish Tobacco , Capt. Jack all by Halo.
I have a trip coming up and I know for sure that I will make a grab for a stinky. I hope to get this all figured out so I can take my E-Cig instead.
I initially purchased a Halo Triton then got all excited and purchased a Innokin iTaste134 mini which is what I was using today at 8ohm. At least I can use it for hash oil (MMJ) if all goes south
Today I vaped Turkish Tobacco 6mg by Halo. That is the juice that sold me on E-Cigs but at 12mg. It is also the juice that I first used after returning home from a 3 week trip while smoking at least a 1/2 pack (Marlboro Lights) daily. I was floored by the results. It is not uncommon for me to continue smoking for a good week or more when I return from these trips. The E-Cig KILLED any need for another cig..again floored.
I then moved onto Longhorn by Halo. I love it and is easily the favorite of what I've been able to try so far. No issues at all to my knowledge and I was becoming close friends with it. It wasn't until I started this thread that I had a hunch about any side effects. I thought maybe I over did it THAT day since I had no issues before. Been using at least 3 juices Longhorn , Turkish Tobacco , Capt. Jack all by Halo.
I have a trip coming up and I know for sure that I will make a grab for a stinky. I hope to get this all figured out so I can take my E-Cig instead.
I initially purchased a Halo Triton then got all excited and purchased a Innokin iTaste134 mini which is what I was using today at 8ohm. At least I can use it for hash oil (MMJ) if all goes south
^Sage advice.
I do have some zero mg juice that I will eventually put into my tank but not today or probably not tomorrow...but soon. That should be a good indicator to go onto VG juice or not true or false ?
Today I vaped Turkish Tobacco 6mg by Halo. That is the juice that sold me on E-Cigs but at 12mg. It is also the juice that I first used after returning home from a 3 week trip while smoking at least a 1/2 pack (Marlboro Lights) daily. I was floored by the results. It is not uncommon for me to continue smoking for a good week or more when I return from these trips. The E-Cig KILLED any need for another cig..again floored.
I then moved onto Longhorn by Halo. I love it and is easily the favorite of what I've been able to try so far. No issues at all to my knowledge and I was becoming close friends with it. It wasn't until I started this thread that I had a hunch about any side effects. I thought maybe I over did it THAT day since I had no issues before. Been using at least 3 juices Longhorn , Turkish Tobacco , Capt. Jack all by Halo.
I have a trip coming up and I know for sure that I will make a grab for a stinky. I hope to get this all figured out so I can take my E-Cig instead.
I initially purchased a Halo Triton then got all excited and purchased a Innokin iTaste134 mini which is what I was using today at 8ohm. At least I can use it for hash oil (MMJ) if all goes south
Nicotine and VG are separate issues. VG is what provides the majority of the vapor in ECigs, and is easily their safest ingredient.
If the 0-Nic juice doesn't give you spells, then Nicotine was the problem. If the 0-Nic juice still makes you ill, then there is much more at work here.
A smoker generally looks for 3 things from vaping, which it's 3 primary ingredients offer:
-VG gives you vapor.
-PG gives you that "sting" or "throat-hit" in the back of your throat, while also carrying most of the vaporized flavor.
-Flavorings role is self-evident.
*There are other ingredients which different makers add for different reasons. Not too many people have publicized problems with anything specific that I'm aware of.
The only reason I asked about flavors is to see if there is a common thread between your juices. Halo is a pretty solid company, and they aren't using Diacetyl, so all is OK there.
However, ALL the flavorings you're vaping are Halo tobaccos. This leaves only 2 possibilities for your symptoms:
1) You are sensitive/allergic to an ingredient in Halo's Master Tobacco-Base, or one of their constituent flavorings they purchase from flavor houses.
It doesn't sound like you're PG intolerant. But they might be using Ethyl Maltol, Acetyl Pyrazine, or a number of other "flavor enhancers" which might affect you. It's a longshot, but allergies could be at play.
2) You are seriously overestimating your Nicotine tolerance, and even vaping 6mg/mL is knocking you on your ....
A half a pack of Marlboro Lights is about 10-20mg Nicotine daily. (Roughly 1-2mg per stick, post-combustion.)
A 12mg juice COULD be a problem for some folks if they knock out 7-10 deep toots in 10-15 minutes, or thereabouts. That could blow through a mL of juice (dependent on device & atty), and pass the full 12mg to the vaper in that 15 min period.
But a 6mg/mL juice? Hmmm. Shouldn't be a problem, but that depends on how much/long/deep the draws were. If you haven't had Nicotine in a week or 2, then take 2 fast, deep draws on 6mg juice it might make you woozy. Especially on an empty stomach, or early in the AM.
First, knock out the Nic. Then take it from there. That's most often the cause of your symptoms. The key is staying away from the real deal.
*You say you used an iTaste 134 mini with a .8 Ohm atomizer? What kind of atomizer? How is it firing? According to Innokin, the minimum load for the 134 mini is 1.2 Ohms. What's with that?
A well thought out response Thank You.
I am hoping that my issue has to do with #2. Once I get over this I will try the 0 nic juice. If I like it and have no side effects then maybe I should cut a 6mg with a 0mg for 3mg right ? Or obviously just leave it at 0mgs if it works. I know I like nicotine so some lower combination should work for me.
The next step would be to try a 100% VG juice.
After that I'd just consider myself done if nothing worked.
I am a total noob with this stuff but the iTaste 134 Mini was just too cool to pass up. It comes with a iClear x1 pyrex clearomizer but I also purchased the Aspire Nautilus which I have not gotten to use yet. You can set the ohm starting at 7.0 until I think 12. I have no idea what it means I still need to research.
Otherwise the machine is a work of art and I want to use it for something.
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It's not the ohm you're speaking of, its variable wattage or volts. (most likely WW) (Ohm is the rate the coil uses, usualy 1.8-2.5 rates.)
If it would be nicotine which i doubt, why do you keep insisting of using it? 6-3mg? Just vape 0 juice if it still gives you the pleasure.
Myself wouldnt even feel the 3-6mg (i barely feel 18, i've to chainvape like a madman) But everyones tolerance is diffrent.
But as many ppl have said, start out with 0 nic. Then work you're way from there.
I hope you'll get it sorted out! 
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Most people like to vape at 8watt some even higher. Higher watt = more flavour & hit. It also burns more juice which results in more nic per vape.
If it would be nicotine which i doubt, why do you keep insisting of using it? 6-3mg? Just vape 0 juice if it still gives you the pleasure.
Myself wouldnt even feel the 3-6mg (i barely feel 18, i've to chainvape like a madman) But everyones tolerance is diffrent.
But as many ppl have said, start out with 0 nic. Then work you're way from there.
I hope you'll get it sorted out!
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Most people like to vape at 8watt some even higher. Higher watt = more flavour & hit. It also burns more juice which results in more nic per vape.
If you're vaping 0 mg of nic. PG/VG will not toxify your body, they're both food additives. One full week of McDonalds can make your blood test look extremely crappy, I wouldn't worry at all on how toxic PG/VG would be to us..it's in a lot of food, just in vapor form. Especially if you know for sure the e-liquid is completely made in the USA (sanitary reasons)
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