Have you heard of the tobacco bonds? http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/07/opinion/how-the-big-tobacco-deal-went-bad.html?_r=0
I resent ECF's campaign regarding the New Mexico State Rep. Liz Thompson
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Have you heard of the tobacco bonds? http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/07/opinion/how-the-big-tobacco-deal-went-bad.html?_r=0
Selling prefilled cartos that cannot be refilled (absent a syringe perhaps) fits into the cigarette business model. If you sell someone a 30 ml bottle of liquid for $18, they may not need a new bottle for a week or more. If you sell someone two 3 ml tank on Monday for $8, within a couple of days you'll be back to spend $8 again.
So is trying to converse with those who have made everything into black or white, good or bad, mind made up, no room for a new idea, new perspective.
Locally, I would support a pro-vaping politician, and vote for them, regardless o my party. BUT, there are shades....if they supported vaping but didn't support family planning for women, or hated gays, then they wouldn't get my vote.
Things just aren't black and white for me..I have to look at the totality of a candidate's views.....everything from economics, domestic and international policies, niche issues like vaping, and overall what their track record is i.e, do they do what they promised to do.
Many of them promise stuff that never happens. Around here, it's fixing county roads, and taking a firmer stance on (real) companion animal abuse (dogs, cats, horses). If somebody has allowed a person to abuse a horse, and don't levy consquences on them, but are pro vaping, then they don't get my vote.
I know quite a bit about my own local politics and that of my state. Hence, I vote for both republicans and democrats.
I think a closed mind is the most dangerous thing on the planet.
Yup. As I pointed out earlier, I do not see CASAA caring one way or the other about D or R. The OP was completely disingenuous and wrong-headed (not to mention inflammatory) with the, "I strongly object to ECF becoming a tool of an extreme right wing lobby in the USA" statement... . The CASAA is an organization trying to protect vaping. If it's a D, an R, an I or any other polito-schmuck attacking vaping, the CASAA is right to get involved.
It wouldn't be wise to raise money to fight the re-election a Kentucky tobacco farmer (Paul Hornback) in a deep red district who likely doesn't have a Democratic opponent. Same goes for the biggest opponent of vaping in Utah (Paul Ray). It also wouldn't be wise to raise money to throw out the NY politician (Kemp Hannon), as his district isn't recognized as being competitive in this election cycle.
You don't just throw money at someone because you dislike their opponent. The money isn't worth much to a nonexistent opponent or one who is far behind in the polls shortly before election day.
And just to be clear, I left CASAA's Board of Directors around a year ago. CASAA is a 501(c)(4) and could take a position in elections, but has not yet chosen to do so.
I hope ECF continues to keep me informed of what people are doing in the legislative area no matter what color their stripes are. We in this country have had too much of hidden agendas by a certain brand.
Just to be clear. Greg did not make this campaign available on ECF. The reason ECF did so was because it is a close race (thanks).
The rest of your post, I can't make any sense of and so, have no response.
It must stink to walk around all day filled with such hostility and paranoia.
I look forward to your denouncement of me in 2015 and 2016 as I continue to work to encourage the defeat of both Republicans and Democrats who take anti-harm reduction stances.
I agree with this 500%. I'm very much in favor of MANY progressive causes -- but this thing they do with wanting to make double-damn sure that EVERYONE IS SAFE! no matter what those everyones think of the matter, is just wrong-headed and I completely oppose it. They're trying to take away my personal freedom in the name of this mythical safety, and it's stupid, it's wrong, and it's evil, and it's certainly not in the spirit of American ideals.
What I've been seeing over the last 6 yrs is that progressive politics seem to include vast humongous gov't, and I can't get behind that, no matter how much I may agree with many of their other causes. Gov't needs to be MUCH SMALLER, not bigger, and I wish the gov't would get their busybody nose out of my personal business and choices. So, in the forthcoming election, I'm going to be forced to vote for some folks that I really don't care for, but their progressive opponents are worse -- here in GA, there's a senate seat being vacated by a retiring senator, and although there are a lot of things I don't care for in the guy I'm going to vote for, his opponent is in favor of Obamacare, which so far GA has managed to resist. I'm really hoping that bit of nonsense will finally be repealed. I'm very much in favor of some kind of "state healthcare" as they have in Britain and most other civilized countries, but leaving it in the hands of pvt insurance companies to charge whatever they feel like is just plain WRONG -- and then penalizing, with a fine, those who are already too broke to pay the outrageous prices the insurance companies want? That's not only wrong, it's EVIL. As I've said before, the only way I can afford to have insurance is if we stop paying the mortgage or stop buying groceries.
I think SJ, as the owner of this forum, is entirely within his rights to do whatever he feels like with this forum, including whatever politics he chooses to support. The rules of the forum are very clear -- if you don't agree with how the forum is run, you're free to leave. I'd leave America (and abandon my citizenship), if I could afford it, because all this "progressive", big-gov't nonsense is just flushing it down the crapper. If I ever do have the financial wherewithal to leave... Canada is looking better and better.
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I am just glad SJ has the gonads to make a statement on anything these days. There are many who are being elected in this country who can"t give a straight answer to any question these days. Whatever happened to yes or no.
And there you have it.
I should have clarified my own statements earlier.
While its true I despise and detest liberals on principle (or in their case lack thereof) when I said "progressives" I meant just that.
Regardless of party affiliation.
Chris Christie and John Boehner are just as bad for this country as Hillary Clinton and the Obamas IMO.
Vaping has been a miracle to me. Its allowed me to kick a 25+ year two pack a day habit when every other alternative out there has failed.....miserably.
Look at my signature, Ive been just over 2 years without a single cigarette and am looking forward to hitting the 5 and ten year marks respectively. Just 6 or 7 years ago I wouldnt have thought that was even impossible.
I'm a vaper first and everything else second. Thats not being a single issue voter, thats having my priorities straight and fighting for my very life.
Placebo, a heartfelt and genuine thank you to you, and Bill, and every other advocate fighting for our rights out there. IMO its not said often enough around here but your efforts are appreciated
Even if a few misguided, disloyal and uninformed users of e-cigs (not worthy of being called vapers IMO) make it seem otherwise at times
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I get that, but I don't think its a real worry that bottled liquid will be banned. We have a free market for a reason. Now some companies might want you be able to only buy their products but I don't think that a all out ban is realistic, at least I hope not.
I get it and thanks for your response. I can understand them wanting to protect their customer base and profit but I don't think they have a leg to stand on when it comes to banning bottled liquid.
But it's not really doing that either (which I would be all for). It's primarily asking for donations.
Blu, Mark Ten, and some others all sell crappy e cigs and most of us don't want their pre filled cartos. So if one of them bottled their liquid instead of trying to sell prefills then they may have something there. Just like Njoy recently starting doing. RT didn't invest in Johnson Creek to throw their funds away, they see the value and profit in selling bottled liquid. That's where the market is right now.
Sure new people will try the cig a likes, just as most of us probably did at some point. But we also realized those things didn't work good and for the most part we wanted more, so we looked into better setups. Marlboro or Camel, or whoever would be wise to brand and bottle their own liquids
Sure new people will try the cig a likes, just as most of us probably did at some point. But we also realized those things didn't work good and for the most part we wanted more, so we looked into better setups. Marlboro or Camel, or whoever would be wise to brand and bottle their own liquids
The entire idea of a two party system was to function as another set of checks and balances.Both sides have plusses and minuses and its this tension that generally results in good laws and compromises that work for both sides.
I forget who said it but When faced with two extremes, the truth more often than not is usually found firmly in the middle of the two. Ive yet to find this to be untrue in 44 years of life.
My biggest beef with progressives of late is their blatant attempts to skew the balance in their favor by any means necessary....and as you have so eloquently stated, to force their ideals on everyone else......taking away individual choice and personal responsibility.
I seem to recall a 'man" who came to power in Germany who used the same tactics....and that should frighten us all, red, yellow, black, white, brown, liberal, conservative etc.
In case theres any confusion on who I am referring to it was Adolf Hitler who said:
“The best way to take control over a people and control them utterly is to take a little of their freedom at a time, to erode rights by a thousand tiny and almost imperceptible reductions. In this way, the people will not see those rights and freedoms being removed until past the point at which these changes cannot be reversed.”
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First they came for the Right Wingers, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Right Winger.
Then they came for the Vapers, and I did not speak out—
Because I was confused about where my loyalties should lie.
Then they came for the Christians, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Christian.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Because I was not a Right Winger.
Then they came for the Vapers, and I did not speak out—
Because I was confused about where my loyalties should lie.
Then they came for the Christians, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Christian.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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It wouldn't be inappropriate (at the right time... too late now since primaries are long since over) to put forth an alternative candidate to primary such folks in the same party. The anti-incumbent mood may remain for some time.
A third party candidate is coming. There is no other option. It is a matter of time.
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