I resent ECF's campaign regarding the New Mexico State Rep. Liz Thompson

[DC2]

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[Davey59]

My biggest beef with progressives of late is their blatant attempts to skew the balance in their favor by any means necessary....and as you have so eloquently stated, to force their choices on everyone else......taking away individual choice and personal responsibility.

I seem to recall a 'man" who came to power in Germany who used the same tactics....and that should frighten us all, red, yellow, black, white, brown, liberal, conservative etc.

Oh, now you did it! the Hitler card! not that your wrong at all but it does get people excited. I think it is because it is true, and the truth often hurts. But it is just not PC so you are worse than the devil and should not be listened to....... even though your correct in the assessment.

Try saying Hitler was a remarkable man in front on non thinkers sometime.

 

[zapped]

Oh, now you did it! the Hitler card! not that your wrong at all but it does get people excited. I think it is because it is true, and the truth often hurts. But it is just not PC so you are worse than the devil and should not be listened to....... even though your correct in the assessment.

Try saying Hitler was a remarkable man in front on non thinkers sometime.

I gave up being PC a LONG time ago.

Terms like "politically correct", 'dont hate", "dont judge" and now even calling someone a "racist" are used to censor ones thinking and indoctrinate our children with the absolutely ridiculous idea that having no opinion at all is preferable to thinking for ones self.

It makes them easier to control and fool that way

 

[six]

Here is a question I don't recall seeing asked yet... do we know where Conrad James stands on the question of vaping?

I was confused about the source of the banners... Even though I read it 6 times in this thread, having seen so many call to action banners, I thought it was a CASAA banner...

Now I get it... And to answer your question: The candidate promoted by the banner is said to be pro business and the article here implies Greg Conley (the actual source of the banner and Pres of American vaping Association) has met with the candidate.

 

[Nermal]

Terms like "politically correct", 'dont hate", "dont judge" and now even calling someone a "racist" are used to censor ones thinking and indoctrinate our children with the absolutely ridiculous idea that having no opinion at all is preferable to thinking for ones self.

Bravo! ten characters

 

[Zealous]

Here is a question I don't recall seeing asked yet... do we know where Conrad James stands on the question of vaping?

This was the first question I thought when reading the OP.

 

[Richard JP]

I about split my side watching that,never saw that bit by Titus where can I find it?

 

[EBates]

And you should be proud of that too. Most are too lazy to do anything at all and claim it doesn't make a difference, others believe in nothing are for nothing and understand nothing.

Voting is your only say so everybody get out there.

Remember, liberals are supposed to vote only on Wednesdays.

EEEEEEE, don't tell 'em that early voting is still goin' on!

 

[VapingTurtle]

It must stink to walk around all day filled with such hostility and paranoia.

I look forward to your denouncement of me in 2015 and 2016 as I continue to work to encourage the defeat of both Republicans and Democrats who take anti-harm reduction stances.

I stink. But I'm not paranoid. And in this thread, hostile only to your employer for its dissemination of misinformation, and sources of funding.

Greg, you are one of the most influential and well respected advocates for vaping, but professionally your job is funded by big tobacco, big pharma, big oil, big coal, big Kochs, and other bigs. And big tobacco is no friend of the greater vaping community. I have no doubt from your advocacy over many years that personally your heart may be in the right place regarding vaping. But when your income is dependent upon sources not at all aligned with the vaping community, and is aligned with notorious science deniers, your motives are exposed to question.

Get a different employer. May I suggest Common Cause, the Clinton Global Initiative, or maybe the Center for American Progress.



To everyone else, left or right, I don't remember making attacks upon any political positions beyond the lying, slimy creeps of the Heartland Institute. (I called Thompson "a good progressive", and the slimy creeps of HI "extreme", but no other political statements.) Let's please keep the attacks limited to attacks on me and attacks on Greg's employer.

This is not about Republicans, Dems, Libs, Teas, Commies, Fascists, or wherever your political leanings fall. It is about whether ECF as an entity should limit its political action to issues, or stray into individual candidates and elections. And SJ has addressed that. Greg did, too, but I don't think I believe him.



(Of course, I reserve the right to start attacking all of you reactionaries at any time. But that would just get me banned I assume. )

 

[klynnn]

I am so sick and tired of hearing how people are offended by others words, their religion,their life style, their politics, their choice of food etc. When you start a post by I am offended by a political whatever you lose me.

 

[VapingTurtle]

I am so sick and tired of hearing how people are offended by others words, their religion,their life style, their politics, their choice of food etc. When you start a post by I am offended by a political whatever you lose me.

You're right. I should have started by saying, "What kind of dreck is this here up there!".

 

[Placebo Effect]

I was confused about the source of the banners... Even though I read it 6 times in this thread, having seen so many call to action banners, I thought it was a CASAA banner...

Now I get it... And to answer your question: The candidate promoted by the banner is said to be pro business and the article here implies Greg Conley (the actual source of the banner and Pres of American Vaping Association) has met with the candidate.

I sent Conrad some information on vaping and then talked with him on the phone to ensure that he wasn't going to be hostile towards us. He had some questions about the long-term effects, but made clear that he: (a) didn't like any kind of sin tax; and (b) thought they were obviously better than cigarettes.

 

[Placebo Effect]

Greg, you are one of the most influential and well respected advocates for vaping, but professionally your job is funded by big tobacco, big pharma, big oil, big coal, big Kochs, and other bigs. And big tobacco is no friend of the greater vaping community. I have no doubt from your advocacy over many years that personally your heart may be in the right place regarding vaping. But when your income is dependent upon sources not at all aligned with the vaping community, and is aligned with notorious science deniers, your motives are exposed to question.

Get a different employer. May I suggest Common Cause, the Clinton Global Initiative, or maybe the Center for American Progress.

I like to prove my allegiances with my actions. I've fought bills endorsed by Big Tobacco in numerous states and I'm preparing for what I expect to be a bunch of bad bills in 2015. And in all this time, I've yet to meet a store owner or vaper who won't work with me because of how I choose to make a living.

Feel free to tell Common Cause and the Center for American Progress of the benefits of vaping. Where it stands now, I don't know of a single vaping advocate that is being supported by a 'liberal' group.

 

[Placebo Effect]

It wouldn't be inappropriate (at the right time... too late now since primaries are long since over) to put forth an alternative candidate to primary such folks in the same party. The anti-incumbent mood may remain for some time.

Absolutely. That is something I want to explore in 2015 and 2016.

 

[sub4me]

Can I ask what exactly it is you do and who you work for?? You don't have to answer but I'm interested cause you seem to have your head on straight and I like that. This is Not an insult so please don't take it that way.

 

[UntamedRose]

Did a bit of diggin...
Someone posted this on the OMG evil liberal ECF seems to hate's FB page.
"You're a Democrat, and you need to know that e-cigarette people are encouraging folks to help your opponent. PLEASE modify your stance! I'm a proud Democrat and I quit smoking cigarettes with the help of a vaping device. Please understand that they have so much less risk than the real ones."

OK her response ....
"I am not anti e cigarette. I don't believe that they should be available to children. We do not know that they are safe for anyone, but they may be less harmful. I am in favor of discouraging anyone to begin smoking any tobacco/nicotine product, and to encourage those who do do to quit. Thank you for your comments." https://www.facebook.com/pages/Elizabeth-Thomson-for-NM-House-24/261180410637092

“We don’t know everything about them, but we know we don’t want them in the hands of children,” said Rep. Elizabeth Thomson Lawmakers, governor concerned about e-cigarettes | Albuquerque Journal News

And hell the bill to tax ecigs she was part of.... a couple dudes called "them" explained their concerns and ecigs was removed. Just like that. Real serious about that one!

Ya I see what yall are saying She is TOTALLY OUT of LINE.

 

[UntamedRose]

While on the Other hand the OP is correct Gregory Conley works for heartland .. Gregory Conley | Heartland Institute

If...if you pay any attention at all to Just about Any other issue....this should be Very Concerning.
Heartland Institute - SourceWatch

Cause the dudes that think climate change isnt just not man made but all BS, that we shouldnt regulate the health care system at all, made up all the bs stories about homo and ped being the same thing and are totally in the pocket of the Koch brothers. Hell the outsider conservatives know they arn't a reliable source!

And Oh Joy they are backing us, that will really help! 0o
Seriously ECF should take that crap down. How low are we going to go?

 

[Placebo Effect]

Can I ask what exactly it is you do and who you work for?? You don't have to answer but I'm interested cause you seem to have your head on straight and I like that. This is Not an insult so please don't take it that way.

I'm an attorney and during law school I was the volunteer Legislative Director for CASAA. I'm now the President of the American Vaping Association, a research fellow with the Heartland Institute (almost exclusively writing articles about e-cigarettes or other tobacco issues & speaking at hearings), and I have a consulting company that I occasionally take work through.

Most of my time is spent volunteering with vendors in various different states helping them form associations, get lobbyists, and defeat threats.

Any vendor in a state where vaping has been threatened has probably dealt with me before.

 

[Placebo Effect]

And hell the bill to tax ecigs she was part of.... a couple dudes called "them" explained their concerns and ecigs was removed. Just like that. Real serious about that one!

Ya I see what yall are saying She is TOTALLY OUT of LINE.

If you don't trust me, talk to the 50-60 New Mexico vapers and vendors that were there with me at the last hearing earlier this month. She is absolutely against e-cigarettes. She disrespected and spoke down to Dr. Joel Nitzkin, formerly of the American Association of Public Health Physicians (the first org to put out a positive statement about e-cigs all the way back in 2008 or 2009), and then tried to trick a vaper into saying that taxes and usage bans wouldn't hurt smokers / vapers.

Notice how she didn't actually give an opinion about e-cigarettes in her response to the Facebook message? All she said was that she wanted to ban sales to children. She conveniently left out her thoughts on taxation, flavors, usage bans, etc.

While on the Other hand the OP is correct Gregory Conley works for heartland .. Gregory Conley | Heartland Institute

If...if you pay any attention at all to Just about Any other issue....this should be Very Concerning.
Heartland Institute - SourceWatch

Cause the dudes that think climate change isnt just not man made but all BS, that we shouldnt regulate the health care system at all, made up all the bs stories about homo and ped being the same thing and are totally in the pocket of the Koch brothers. Hell the outsider conservatives know they arn't a reliable source!

Again, Heartland has absolutely nothing to do with this campaign. They don't even know I'm running it. The only issues I work on with Heartland are e-cigarettes and tobacco / nicotine policy.

Maybe you should look at what the Heartland Institute has written about e-cigs over the past 5 years before deciding they're completely evil.

What's amusing is that if I did join the Center for American Progress or another progressive group, ECF would be hosting posts from conservatives decrying that ECF was being co-opted by 'the left.'

 

[spartanstew]

Maybe you should look at what the Heartland Institute has written about e-cigs over the past 5 years before deciding they're completely evil.

I never even heard of the Heartland Institute before yesterday, but this is a bit disconcerting:

Heartland Institute and tobacco - SourceWatch