I resent ECF's campaign regarding the New Mexico State Rep. Liz Thompson

[Empress Kitty]

Am I the only person whos having trouble reading this?

Hey look! ...........A squirrel!

Nope..........

I read it just fine...

 

[zapped]

And in the very same post:


You are right, this isn't the appropriate forum for general attacks on liberals, or conservatives, or any other political leaning. So knock it off.

That is not what this thread is about

It is, was, and should be about whether ECF should target candidates, or limit its target to issues. And Smokey Joe answered that question. The rest is commentary.


edit: Classwife beat me to it. And with more authority, too.

Or what exactly?

And that IS what this thread is about....or at least what some of you have made it.YOU chose to take it personally and get offended long before anyone started bringing up party affiliations...now that people have youre even more offended...I guess the truth hurts.

You might not have intended it to turn out that way but a little forethought ( I know Im asking for a miracle here) would have predicted the inevitable outcome and response to your post.

Im not naive or selfish enough to ever make a thread questioning ECFs endorsement of a candidate, no matter their party affiliation...just because it offends me personally.

If you dont like ECF's involvement stop visiting the forums...its not as if your a supporting member or anything.

Im a vaper first and a Conservative second. Ill be the first person to tell you that I would vote for a Democrat over a Republican if that Republican was trying to enact legislation that would harm vapers or limit our rights in any way.

The question then becomes why is this so hard for you and those who share your beliefs?

Why is it that if you dont like something you work to get it banned for everyone? Whether its e-cigs....... or this forum endorsing a candidate whos favorable to vapers in a very tight race?

STOP trying to speak for all of us and STOP trying to force your agendas on the rest of us. You arent our mothers or our fathers and we could care less if YOU think its for our own good or not.

Thats not your decision to make for us all. Its ours as individuals.

Its pretty obvious from this thread that youre in the minority here.

And thank God for that.

 

[zapped]

I read it just fine...

Sure you did.

 

[gph61]

Science denial?
In regards to recent history, I would like to remind you that between roughly the mid 14th century and the mid 19th century, the planet was in the grip of what climatologists refer to as the Little Ice Age (LIA). It is acknowledged that this period included some of the coldest centuries since the end of the Great Ice Age. Worldwide, glaciers grew to their greatest extent in 10,000 years. The annals of European history are replete with well documented episodes of whole villages that had existed for centuries, being overrun by the massively growing glaciers. These glaciers began to recede with the global warming that commenced in the early to mid 19th century and have been receding more or less uniformly to this day. Let me here emphasize an important point, the recession of modern glaciers began at least a full century before the introduction of significant amounts of carbon dioxide to the global atmosphere by the burning of fossil fuels.

So if only trained scientists would just read your post on an ecig forum they'd understand the error of their ways? Rather than risk them not seeing this particular post on this particular forum, why not write a paper and overturn their findings?

 

[Vermonster13]

If we can't agree amongst ourselves how shall we ever get others to agree with us?

 

[Anjaffm]

Why is it that if you dont like something you work to get it banned? Whether its e-cigs....... or this forum endorsing a candidate whos favorable to vapers in a very tight race?

STOP trying to speak for all of us and STOP trying to force your agendas on the rest of us. You arent our mothers or our fathers and we could care less if YOU think its for our own good or not.

Thats not your decision to make for us all. Its ours as individuals.

AMEN!

 

[TrentW]

Each individual has a duty to vote for the candidate they believe best aligns with their viewpoints and beliefs. It isn't like they are trying to buy votes, and if someone is careless enough with their responsibility of voting to just do as they are told by an internet forum that is on them not the forum. Also to some people the vaping bill may be important enough for them to base a vote on. That is their right. The party system is a joke anyway, both sides spout garbage to their bases to get them fired up over issues that are not going to change no matter who is in office.

 

[btc76vapo]

I know this is a vaping forum and I actively seek out everyone I know and meet to move from tobacco to vaping. That said, for those to whom it applies, if vaping is your singular motivation for any political action or stance; consider yourself lucky. I won't even say I wish my life was that uncomplicated though.

 

[hificat101]

Single issue? Liz Thomson would like to enact

1) a flavor ban

2) a public use ban

3) special taxes on ecigs

4) classification of vapers as smokers

That's 4 issues by my count. This lifelong Democrat says she needs to go. If a politician tries to restrict access to a product that people are using to save their own lives, that's cause for them to be jettisoned at the polls. If you don't like that so many Democrats have been involved in this behavior, call the DNC and tell them they're driving the party off a cliff, but don't whine about a bunch of people getting together, and getting involved to defeat a politician, that has set themselves up as an enemy of vaping. Particularly when the politician in question is probably taking pharma money to block peoples access to life saving technology.

 

[hificat101]

Have you ever tried punishing a puppy six hours after he chewed your new shoes? He is unable to associate your actions with his behavior.

The same is true with this campaign effort. If Rep. Thompson should lose this close election do you really think it will be attributed by anyone to the maybe a couple of hundred dollars sent to her opponent by this campaign?

Thomson just pulled this BS at a hearing a couple weeks ago, and she and her campaign are well aware that people in the vaping community are after her. Are you saying the candidate you support has the mentality of a puppy?

 

[Vermiform]

Hope she loses. Wish I had heard about this in time to donate to her competitor.

Oh and.....

 

[wheezal]

man, all these serius feels.

this what happens when peeps dun haf enuff bacon or puddin pops.


jus' sayin'

 

[bigdancehawk]

Am I the only person whos having trouble reading this?

No. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj60OAh7O5U

 

[VapingTurtle]

It must stink to walk around all day filled with such hostility and paranoia.

Or what exactly? ...

I'm thinkin' that Greg must have been addressing you there, zapped.

...
Its pretty obvious from this thread that youre in the minority here.
...

May be. Or maybe it is just that the more extreme among us have been trained to froth at the mouth more readily than the moderates.

...
Im a vaper first and a Conservative second. Ill be the first person to tell you that I would vote for a Democrat over a Republican if that Republican was trying to enact legislation that would harm vapers or limit our rights in any way.

The question then becomes why is this so hard for you and those who share your beliefs?
...

The question then becomes, "why is so hard for you (and your allies) to make that statement without the rest of your diatribe?"

 

[bluecat]

I accept your apology in advance.

The Christie-and-Kasich Tax Show | National Review Online
Christie's 'sin tax' on e-cigs would burn quitters: Op-ed | NJ.com
Christie counts on tax changes in budget plan



FFS, is it really that hard to Google "Gregory Conley" "Chris Christie" before making a post?

And by the way, thanks to bipartisan opposition, that tax was removed from the budget.

As a life long conservative and an Ohio resident, this was one of the reason why I will not be voting for Kaisich in the next week or so. I am actually torn as well. After being alive for 50 some years I never thought I woudl vote for a democrat. There are others but those other reasons have nothing to do with vaping.

BTW.. Kaisich is a master at raising tax over a period of years so we can adjust to them.

 

[VapingTurtle]

... Lastly, I can assure you that regardless of if Conrad wins or loses (and obviously we are hoping for and working hard for a win -- I wouldn't be in Albuquerque right now if we weren't), the fact that vapers and business owners stepped up to make donations to his campaign and work the phones for him will quickly get around to state legislatures across the country.
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I do sincerely hope you are correct there.

(And I do hope that result comes out of a defeat for Conrad [based on a much wider spectrum of issues].)

 

[bluecat]

If it weren't for lawyers you wouldn't have any friggin' rights.

Not true. We would still have rights but it would be survival of the fittest. Fastest draw would be right because his competitor would no longer be able to contradict him. It is a very line we walk. Sadly the rights being taken away from us no lawyer can help with.

 

[skoony]

I cannot, and I apologize for my insinuation.

Greg, you would do well for both yourself and your cause to dissociate from Heartland, whose sole function is subterfuge to the benefit of its moneyed sponsorship.

all these policy thinktanks have moneyed sponsorship's.
its just a matter of who's ox is being gored

mike

 

[VapingTurtle]

all these policy thinktanks have moneyed sponsorship's.
its just a matter of who's ox is being gored

mike

True, but most have not been as roundly criticized for their dishonesty and fraudulence by all sides of the political spectrum as The Heartland Institute, especially in the issues of tobacco and climate change.

 

[Empress Kitty]

Sure you did.

Are you insinuating I am a liar? That's not very nice.