I think we may have been duped.

[Kabooma]

The new FDA regulations have me really worried. I know I can't quit nicotine. I've actively filled out every CASAA petition and questionnaire that has come my way. Each one of them explicitly stating that I will in all probability return to analogs if they ban vaping as I know it.

And I now feel that information was used against me, all of us really.

We let the FDA and tobacco companies know exactly what they wanted to hear- that if they ban vaping, how many of us will return to their nasty welcoming arms.

I have no doubts that the leaders of the FDA will soon after leave their positions after being offered cushy executive jobs or 'consulting fees' from big tobacco firms, or their lawyers firms, or even their fake 'non profit' firms that do nothing but spread propaganda against vaping.

I'm just completely deflated and while I will stock up as best I can to continue using my setup as I know it (and DIY my juice), I cannot afford more than a couple years worth of stock. Can the system possibly change by then? Seems to me no. So I will end up back on analogs eventually, and they couldn't be happier about it.

 

[440BB]

Enough supplies to vape for the next ten years will cost about as much as maybe five cartons of cigarettes. From a pure cost standpoint, it should be easy for any of us to accumulate what we need over the coming months compared to the cost of smoking.

We were most certainly lulled into complacency, thinking vaping would become obviously accepted as the very best smoking alternative, but I don't see that as a reason to go back to smokes.

Better to keep vaping as we fight the good fight in my opinion. Keep that money from BT's pockets!

 

[bnrkwest]

I am in disbelieve myself about the deeming, I thought surely someone in FDA or Congress would come to their senses and see how much vaping helps former smokers kick the habit.

If you can get at least one or two regulated mods and at least 1 or 2 rebuildables, some Nic base and VG, PG and flavor you can be set for quite awhile. It may or may not be what you use now, just think of it as a new adventure

 

[puffon]

I thought surely someone in FDA or Congress would come to their senses and see how much vaping helps former smokers kick the habit.

They did.
Then they started thinking about their wallet.
The rest is history....

 

[Jdurand]

When this all unfolds, it may not be as bad as we think.

let me explain. If the government is OK with people killing themselves with cigarettes, as long as they get theirs along the way in the form of tax revenue (big tax revenue) why will vaping be different. The government doesn't care if you vape, they care that you vape tax free. Once they get total control and rename everything tobacco, they can figure out how to tax the be-jesus out of it and we can all happily go along vaping, just at the rate of tax high enough to balance out the tobacco shortfall.

Maybe so, maybe no, we will see.

 

[bnrkwest]

Yes making vaping taxable will bring in a lot of $'s. My state is mulling over a 66% tax on Tabacco products which will now include vaping. Ouch!

Funny thing tho, when my state made it illegal to buy and ship cigarettes, plus that big tax hike went into effect, I said time to give it up, so I started vaping again and quit smoking. People may do the same with vaping making it too expensive unless you use rebuildables.

 

[tj99959]

Make a budget.
50 bucks a month isn't all that much when you compare it to the cost of smoking.

Up until now we have been fighting shadows, now we have a real target that we can go after.
Most of all don't give up hope. Things are already in the works to fight this in both court & congress.
So join CASAA and stay informed so that you can do your part when the time comes.

Watch this so that you know what's going on.

 

[Baditude]

Watch this so that you know what's going on.

Good to see that Aspire, Innokin, Smoktech, and Kanger are getting involved financially to help fight the FDA. (Shame on Joytech for not getting involved.)

 

[crxess]

Maybe.................Just maybe...........

It is time to let the General Public know Millions that now Practice a Safer alternative may soon be blowing Smoke back in their Faces due to FDA/BT/BF/Corporate Corruption.

Wonder what John Q. Public's Reaction to that would be?

Hide from me, I have a Loaded Smoke and am not afraid to use it (well, not really)

 

[Train2]

They did! Last night...

Joyetech is proud to be the member of SEVIA (a part of VTA, Vapor Technology Association)

Good to see that Aspire, Innokin, Smoktech, and Kanger are getting involved financially to help fight the FDA. (Shame on Joytech for not getting involved.)

 

[crxess]

They did! Last night...

Joyetech is proud to be the member of SEVIA (a part of VTA, Vapor Technology Association)

Sounds like Great news.....................confirmed on Taste your Juice news page!!!

 

[HauntedMyst]

I think we may have been duped.

I know I was! Imagine how elated I was when I got an email from a Nigerian Prince. I've never gotten an mail from anyone important other than Ed McMahon but he was just hawking magazine subscriptions. So when I got an email from a Nigerian Price saying he was in trouble and needed to flee the country, I was eager to help. He said if I helped him would gvie me $500k! I would have helped him for free because I am just that kind of guy. (Well, to be fair, I would have asked him to take me to Dairy Queen and let me order a large Oreo Hot Fudge Blizzard or two. Have you tried them? It's like heaven falling in your mouth! First the cold vanilla ice cream mixed with Oreo delights your taste buds and then in a surprising twist, the hot fudge warms your soul). So I gave him access to my bank accounts. He took $40,000 from me. $40,000! That's a lot of Oreo Hot Fudge Blizzards gone. Just gone. All that fudgey goodness, just gone. You know, it's a sad, sad day when you can't trust royalty any more.

 

[MyMagicMist]

Make a budget.
50 bucks a month isn't all that much when you compare it to the cost of smoking.

Up until now we have been fighting shadows, now we have a real target that we can go after.
Most of all don't give up hope. Things are already in the works to fight this in both court & congress.
So join CASAA and stay informed so that you can do your part when the time comes.

Watch this so that you know what's going on.

Some cannot afford $50 monthly. Why do you think I think it good to be able to vape for less than $100 yearly? Looking into cutting costs further here. I looked something up and figured out I could possibly have enough juice for two years, buying ~$52 worth of Nicotine, PG, VG with the Nicotine being the more costly of the three. Now, it is finding lasting hardware. Muhahaha.

Still $52 is over half of a yearly $100 for me. Not sure I could do $50 a month, maybe $50 every three to six months. Once I've got decent hardware that'll last, can focus on juice costs. Still rather afford the vaping than afford the smoking.

 

[Oliver]

To be fair to Joyetech, they're not actually based in Shenzhen, so it's a little odd their joining a Shenzhen vape manufacturers' association. But, hey, it's the only one going so they obviously decided to eventually.

 

[tj99959]

Some cannot afford $50 monthly. Why do you think I think it good to be able to vape for less than $100 yearly? Looking into cutting costs further here. I looked something up and figured out I could possibly have enough juice for two years, buying ~$52 worth of Nicotine, PG, VG with the Nicotine being the more costly of the three. Now, it is finding lasting hardware. Muhahaha.

Still $52 is over half of a yearly $100 for me. Not sure I could do $50 a month, maybe $50 every three to six months. Once I've got decent hardware that'll last, can focus on juice costs. Still rather afford the vaping than afford the smoking.

You seem to have missed the point. $50 a month would have meant that I would have to have gone 3 weeks out of every month without any cigarettes.

The $50 a month is only during the short time that it takes to put in a good stock. After that vaping becomes almost free. For example (to find out if I could) I went all of 2014 without spending a single cent to vape. As for lasting hardware; the mod I'm using this morning (a Mako) is 6 years old, and the atomizer (A7 mini) is about 4 years old.

I would also point out that many need to find more efficient (cost effective) ways to vape. Gone are the days that vaping 30-45 ml/day is sustainable. We've known for two years what the deeming regs would look like. So I have little sympathy for those that knew they were coming, and did nothing to prepare.
Stealth competitions will replace cloud competitions.

 

[LouisLeBeau]

When I read accounts, or hear personal testimonials, that the cost of vaping is prohibitive, I have to wonder how those smokers EVER got past the $1 pack.

Without trying to be condescending, I realize that the outlays on a per purchase supply of items like mods, batteries, chargers, nic, and flavorings can seem high, once those things are acquired, the cost PER DAY becomes a SMALL fraction of the cost per day for cigs. I think the issue is one more of fiduciary discipline, than actual cost. An issue that transcends vaping and often seperates smart money from the mindset of living paycheck to paycheck.

NOT a knock on the poor. I understand their plight. This country has done a horrible job of preparing our youth for financial responsibility. It should mostly be the parents fault, but then we've come to learn how many were using home equity as a piggy bank, and running credit cards to the point of never being able to repay the debt, and instead, paying the massive and usury double digit interest for living beyond their means, while the man in the suit has just bought a new car from the profit he made on your dreams.

 

[440BB]

while the man in the suit has just bought a new car from the profit he made on your dreams.

That song is now stuck in my head for the day!

And that's just fine with me.

 

[Robino1]

I remember a time when I would scrounge for all the change I could find just to get a pack of cigs. Taking pop bottles back for the deposit, so I could buy a pack. Buying a carton of cigs was not an option even though I knew it was more cost affective.

Yeah, even getting those longer cig butts out of the ashtray. Just for something to smoke.

I remember those days and I totally get why, for some, they cannot come up with the cash to get started. Especially when they Just Don't Know if it will actually work.

Poverty is not fun.

I was hesitant about putting up the cash for my first ecig and I could easily afford it when I started! I had thrown my money away on other FDA approved methods. That really worked out well <insert sarcasm emoji here>

Planning ahead is not something everyone can even think about. Just getting through week to week, financially, is the norm. Hell, day to day is sometimes tough. Been there, done that.

Saying it only costs about a carton of cigs.....true but....

I still remember the hard times.

 

[Ongeslepen]

Here in Holland, whenever i go to a festival.. most people are high on anything except alcohol.. If i go to the gym, i see some guys that i know for sure they take steroids, even though it's illegal. Shrooms are illegal in many countries, but they have been proven to help with depressions for many people. Just a few examples of different products (drugs.. to me nicotine is also a drug and alcohol and etc etc etc.. ) that are still relatively easy to come by despite being illegal.

So when .... hits the fan and vaping becomes illegal, well.. just another thing i have to go look underground for it. This is me using my favorite finger to anyone, anything that says that i can't do something even though i'm not hurting anyone else while doing some of those things. Also, when a laws say it's illegal.. it doesn't mean it's bad for you. Anything can be bad for you, it's all about using responsible.. This goes for vaping too, creating your own liquids using 48+mg of nicotine can be dangerous if you are stupid.

My point is (i tend to ramble.. ) i'm not too worried about the FDA, TTP, TTIP, Trump, Hillary and whatever is going on.. We (the normal folk, the workers, the rich and the poor) do whatever the .... we want anyway. All in moderation and as responsible as the product allows it.. If you are one of the smarter once of course

 

[Frenchfry1942]

I gotta say that I am grateful that I have some control over my shinyitis. I have pretty much been a 1-2 mod person at any one moment, but there are others floating around. When the Provari 2.5 blems came along, I took advantage of the deal. I still really dis-like tube mods, though. Just determining what is important is helpful, too. Along my way, I have tried mechs and squonkers, too. I still have those. Because I was just "trying them", I bought direct from China. I don't know if a mech or a squonker can really be considered cheap in quality. They are so simple. I don't think I paid more than $15 for any of those. I am cautious with my money and, so, I looked at a lot of choices, discussions and reviews.

When I heard that the FDA was looking to control vaping, I started thinking about what I would need. I filled out my bottom feeder atties and squonker parts. I am now doing DIY, which I do really like, BTW. I thought that just playing with maintenance, coils, and wicks was relaxing, but I find DIY is more so.

Kinda funny that I just really enjoy this vaping thing, because I am at a low nic level and I don't always remember to vape. Oh, I do first thing in the morning and when I am spending 20 minutes in the library reading, but throughout the day, I just get occupied. I do work to not prioritize vaping during the day and that has helped, too.

Their are things we can do. Determine what is important, learn and buy wisely, and work to lower nic. I started this past winter and hardware is done. I would like to get more flavorings, though.


Edit: I just re-read this and I really went off the subject of the thread. I am getting old... Yes, sadly, surprisingly, frustratingly, national politics is just not realizing the right thing (in my mind). Anyway, I got somewhat organized as to what I would need to continue vaping with the...turbulence. I do hope all get to continue vaping to get off cigs first, then nic. Lots of deals going on this Memorial Day...I will be looking for deals, too.