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Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

Discussion in 'General Vaping Discussion' started by Oliver, May 5, 2016.

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  1. Oliver

    Oliver ECF Founder, formerly SmokeyJoe Admin Verified Member

    You can download all 499 pages of the regulations here:

    We liveblogged the reaction: Deeming Live blog |

    Clive Bates on Stanton Glantz and the junk science which got us here: Professor Glantz brings his anti-vaping crusade to Europe – I review his presentation

    Here's the reaction from US vaping organisations:

    VTA: (via Phil Busardo) -
    AVA: Not yet
    TVECA: Not yet

    And from ECITA, UK org: FDA ‘Deeming’ of e-cigs – designed to destroy? | ECITA - Electronic Cigarette Industry Trade Association

    Individual commentors

    Mike Siegel: The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary: My Op-Ed in Wall Street Journal Points Out Folly of FDA E-Cigarette Deeming Regulations & The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary: FDA E-Cigarette Deeming Regulations are a Disaster for Public Health

    Carl Phillips: Ecig deeming regulation — nothing new to see here

    Rich Lowry:

    Sally Satel: What the US should learn from the UK's wisdom on e-cigarettes - AEI

    Consumer organisations:

    CASAA: CASAA: FDA Deeming Regulations: Release and Next Steps

    Various articles
    Washington Post: Why the FDA’s new e-cigarette regulations are a gift to Big Tobacco (and could actually harm public health)

    Economics21: FDA’s New E-Cig Regs Will Kill

    US News: What the E-Cigarette Black Market Will Look Like if FDA Stomps Industry

    Reason: Government Officials Are Determined to Turn Vapers Into Scofflaws

    PBS interview with Mitch Zeller: Skyrocketing teen use of e-cigarettes leads to new regulations

    Clarityse: When two tribes go to war

    Stock Transcript: The government crackdown is here: What the FDA regulations mean for e-cigarettes | Stock Transcript

    Science Explorer: FDA Announces That E-Cigarette Products Will Now Be Regulated Like Regular Cigarettes

    NYT Health:

    Weekly Standard: FDA Moves to Kill E-Cigarettes

    Think Tanks:

    FEE: How the FDA Is Helping Big Tobacco and Encouraging Teen Smoking | Jonathan H. Adler

    See also Sally Satel at AEI above

    Brent Stafford (regulator watch): NO MORE CASUALTIES - VAPING BECOMES COLLATERAL DAMAGE IN WAR ON SMOKING - REG WATCH (E28) from Brent Stafford on Vimeo
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  2. DavidAmonettNashville

    DavidAmonettNashville Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 2, 2014
    Sheesh...I'm at work and can't keep up. How bad is it??
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  3. tiburonfirst

    tiburonfirst They call me 'Tibs" Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 23, 2010
    back home
    ''Deeming regs are as bad as we believed: "FDA anticipates that most manufacturers of e-liquids and components/complete delivery systems will seek authorization through the PMTA"

    from sj's blog :(
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  4. hittman

    hittman ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I guess we all knew it was coming. I haven't kept up with it as much as some but am a little surprised that they are hitting the hardware so intensely.
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  5. hittman

    hittman ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    So if I understand correctly, there is a 90 day grace period? I'll try to read more later. So I wonder how much stuff they'll be able to stop from coming into the country from china.
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  6. cooladdict

    cooladdict Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 28, 2012
    Seahawk Nation
    Ugggggh, why do I have to go to work today??? I would love to be able to stay on top of this! Thank you, @SmokeyJoe, for the live blog updates. It will make it a little easier to stay in the loop.
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  7. Katmar

    Katmar Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Sep 19, 2009
    Pittsburgh, Pa
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  8. cooladdict

    cooladdict Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 28, 2012
    Seahawk Nation
    That makes me furious!! I just don't see how they will be able to enforce that. There are too many other battery operated devices on the market that can fail, so are those next?
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  9. pennysmalls

    pennysmalls Squonkmeister Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 26, 2013
    No way is the vape industry going to just bend over for this. I see an all out war coming, I really do. Flat out non-compliance, blatant work arounds, black market, you name it.
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  10. nlgeekdad

    nlgeekdad Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Interesting line "It is noted that the study involved a convenience sample of 51 types of flavored e-cigarettes and may not be representative of the types of e-liquids currently available to users." My question would then be whats the point in the study? If it does not represent whats available to users then what the heck are they testing for their study?
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  11. DaleH1985

    DaleH1985 Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 19, 2015
    West Virginia
    I hope it does become an all out war. This all boils down to big tobacco getting their way by lining a few pockets in the right places.
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  12. kbeam418

    kbeam418 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 5, 2015
    China will just call there mods "variable wattage" flashlights. The FDA just created a HUGE black market, do they think a billion dollar industry will just go belly up? They'll be an Al Capone of e-liquids and the corporations in China will be filing lawsuits. I myself will vape BECAUSE the FDA tells me not to.
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  13. Marina2

    Marina2 Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 27, 2015
    For those wondering how long...

    "Under staggered timelines, the FDA expects that manufacturers will continue selling their products for up to two years while they submit – and an additional year while the FDA reviews – a new tobacco product application. The FDA will issue an order granting marketing authorization where appropriate; otherwise, the product will face FDA enforcement."

    FDA takes significant steps to protect Americans from dangers of tobacco through new regulation

    This timeline will start 90 days after rule is in effect (Some say it will be in effect around August of this year.)
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  14. Katya

    Katya ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Feb 23, 2010
    CASAA: FDA Deeming Regulations: Release and Next Steps

    Per CASAA:

    "The most important thing you can do is to make a call, write, or send an email to your Representative and urge them to cosponsor and support HR 2058. If there is one thing that has to be done, this is it. Encourage your family members, friends, everyone who has supported your journey to participate."
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  15. Katmar

    Katmar Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Sep 19, 2009
    Pittsburgh, Pa
    No, it will be longer than that. 24 months and 30 days according to the regs. and the folks blogging, including SJ.
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    suprtrkr ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

  17. MacTechVpr

    MacTechVpr Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Aug 24, 2013
    Hollywood (Beach), FL
    Time to disband the FDA and reconstitute its ostensibly constructive elements as highly compartmentalized dedicated operations. It has grown way too powerful. And the people will be controlled by such presumptive authority…for the sake of our health. The only thing unhealthy in this situation is the FDA. The combination of tobacco and drugs in a food regulator is hazardous to our health. Good luck. :(
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  18. MacTechVpr

    MacTechVpr Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Aug 24, 2013
    Hollywood (Beach), FL
    Hear, hear! What they've just done is institutionalize a monolithic cartel called Corporation China making it virtually impossible for us to innovate into legitimacy. Good luck all. :|
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  19. jackmormon

    jackmormon Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 27, 2013
    This could be easily rectified if Joyetech offered Donald Rumsfeld a CEO salary for doing nothing and then he gets appointed as head of the FDA for a few months.

    This is how Aspartame was approved by the FDA after years of denials. (GD Searle & Donald Rumsfeld pulled off this stunt.)
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  20. williamclarkonet

    williamclarkonet Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 11, 2014
    Iowa United States
    Very true!
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