I havent been DIYing for long but I see more and more "top shelf" or "boutique" e liquids with different oils in them. Is there something I dont understand about the type of oils or is that just an old DIY "superstition" ?
I thought Oils werent safe to vape?
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I'd like to know as well
I just got some in the mail today. Bought them as flavors and realized when I opened the package that the bottles say "grapefruit oil" and such. Now I'm worried about using them.
I just got some in the mail today. Bought them as flavors and realized when I opened the package that the bottles say "grapefruit oil" and such. Now I'm worried about using them.
You can put just about Anything into a DIY e-Liquid if you want. And Currently, so can Retailers.
I don't consider vaping "Oil Based Flavored" e-Liquids to be all that Healthy, so I don't. But some don't see it the way I do and think there is Nothing Wrong with using Oil Based Flavorings.
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I couldn't give a Rat's .... about Damaging a Coil. Damaging Lung Tissue is what I think about.
Seems there are several like orange that are difficult to get if not oil based. I have no plans to mix 30ml bottles of oil based flavors, but thought they would be ok as add-ons in recipes. Problem is finding out proper dilution. Oils and water base(pg) don't readily mix.
Idk about health risks but it's doable with some oils - I have some jasmine absolute that works well in e-juice; I put 3 drops in a 30ml.
There seems to be a difference of opinion on this. It seems some essential oils are ok. I use peppermint oil and orange oil. Personally, I use an equal amount of grain alcohol to help the oil diffuse into the base.
It is definitely unhealthy to vape flavorings that are in a vegetable oil carrier like some flavorings used in some baking products. DO NOT vape any of those.
I still believe, after vaping for 2+ years, that the long term effect on the lungs of inhaling all of the flavorings that are intended for food is unknown. We are the guinea pigs, so to speak.
It is definitely unhealthy to vape flavorings that are in a vegetable oil carrier like some flavorings used in some baking products. DO NOT vape any of those.
I still believe, after vaping for 2+ years, that the long term effect on the lungs of inhaling all of the flavorings that are intended for food is unknown. We are the guinea pigs, so to speak.
Do you mix the Flavor/alcohol together before adding into the Base?
i have read (in this sub-forum) that vaping oils is not okay.
i have also read in this sub-forum that dissolving the oil-containing flavoring in PGA helps. perhaps even eliminates the risk.
water-soluable is the keyword, as far as i can tell. supposedly if the flavoring is water soluable, no oil is present (or perhaps the oil has been dissolved).
the notion of putting lemon juice in your mix seems to be widely popular. lemon juice has oil in it. every bottle of lemon juice ive seen has oil/lemon oil listed in the ingredients. im even inclined to beleive that youd get some lemon oil in freshly squeezed lemon juice. But, lemon juice is added at fractions of a percent in your total mix. in my mind, this is the reason why vaping oil is "ok" in many DIYers minds. personally, im still too much of a DIY noob to know for sure. ive been making mixes since i started vaping, but ive never delved too deeply into it. not deep enough to have used lemon-oil containing ingredients (knowingly). but lately my experience is growing. i read most of the "Vinegar?" thread, and from what ive gathered, sour drops and lemon juice both accomplish the same effect: smoothining/blending/making flavors pop. fruit falvors, that is. Vinegar would be used for tobacco and bakery mixes, to the same effect.
i have also read in this sub-forum that dissolving the oil-containing flavoring in PGA helps. perhaps even eliminates the risk.
water-soluable is the keyword, as far as i can tell. supposedly if the flavoring is water soluable, no oil is present (or perhaps the oil has been dissolved).
the notion of putting lemon juice in your mix seems to be widely popular. lemon juice has oil in it. every bottle of lemon juice ive seen has oil/lemon oil listed in the ingredients. im even inclined to beleive that youd get some lemon oil in freshly squeezed lemon juice. But, lemon juice is added at fractions of a percent in your total mix. in my mind, this is the reason why vaping oil is "ok" in many DIYers minds. personally, im still too much of a DIY noob to know for sure. ive been making mixes since i started vaping, but ive never delved too deeply into it. not deep enough to have used lemon-oil containing ingredients (knowingly). but lately my experience is growing. i read most of the "Vinegar?" thread, and from what ive gathered, sour drops and lemon juice both accomplish the same effect: smoothining/blending/making flavors pop. fruit falvors, that is. Vinegar would be used for tobacco and bakery mixes, to the same effect.
Hey everyone, I have addressed this issue before, but I guess I will again.
I have been vaping for almost 4 years now and DIY for most of that, I have used essential oils and researched if oils are safe. After all they use them in aromatherapy shops like this one:
Essential Oils : VapeNow, Herbal Vaporizer, Digital & Portable Vaporizers - Reviews & Shop @ VapeNow.com
I have always maintained that at low % they do no harm to the coil and if the aromatherapy people are using them then they should be safe in ecigs. I agree with gimmeshelter31, you should only use essential oils and NOT vegetable carry oils, and I use everclear to help diffuse the oil also so it will mix with the PG. Funny thing is people keep going back to if it says a flavor is insoluble in water do not use it. Insoluble in water it does not mean you cant use it in PG as PG is NOT water based. It is a diol or double alcohol, the key is propolene glyc(ol) The last two letters shows it is not water based. It is a hygroscopic liquid which means it can attract and hold water molecules. I have always advised people that if they want to use oils in their juice to 1, use only essential oils. 2, do not exceed 3% oils flavor in the mix.
Well I hope that helps.
Dan
I have been vaping for almost 4 years now and DIY for most of that, I have used essential oils and researched if oils are safe. After all they use them in aromatherapy shops like this one:
Essential Oils : VapeNow, Herbal Vaporizer, Digital & Portable Vaporizers - Reviews & Shop @ VapeNow.com
I have always maintained that at low % they do no harm to the coil and if the aromatherapy people are using them then they should be safe in ecigs. I agree with gimmeshelter31, you should only use essential oils and NOT vegetable carry oils, and I use everclear to help diffuse the oil also so it will mix with the PG. Funny thing is people keep going back to if it says a flavor is insoluble in water do not use it. Insoluble in water it does not mean you cant use it in PG as PG is NOT water based. It is a diol or double alcohol, the key is propolene glyc(ol) The last two letters shows it is not water based. It is a hygroscopic liquid which means it can attract and hold water molecules. I have always advised people that if they want to use oils in their juice to 1, use only essential oils. 2, do not exceed 3% oils flavor in the mix.
Well I hope that helps.
Dan
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I don't see why you'd be confused? Inhaling anything but pure air is not healthy. What we do is not safe. Inhaling flavorings is the least studied aspect of vaping and without proof there can be no healthy conclusion.
What we did was much worse.
What we did was much worse.
You can't see why I'd be confused. Ughhh, I'm not confused on the simple "1+1=2" of him saying he doesn't think it's healthy, I get that. Christ.
If he doesn't vape e-liquid, what does he do and why is he here?
I just want to know what he resorts to now.
Thank you. If this was yahoo answers this would be voted best answer lol. Mind if I drop you a pm with any more questions?
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+1 on that! ScubaBatDan, you are a wealth of knowledge. we're lucky to have you around.
Yikes !!!
Yeah, that should have said "Oil Base Flavored e-Liquids"....
Thanks for catching that.
i agree to an extent; in that it confused me too. maybe he just vapes PG. or VG. without flavoring or nicotine. he wouldnt be the first. lots of folks vape tintures of tobacco/tea leaf-steeped PG/VG, so thats a possibility as well.
edit: nevermind, lol! but seriously, people do do that. ^
I'm glad you mentioned this. Even if I promoted it with a Type-O.
But I agree with you. I see Inhaling e-Liquids as a Much "Safer" thing to do that to Smoke Cigarettes. But I am under No Illusion that Vaping is Probably Not without Its Own Risks and or Hazards.
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