I thought Oils werent safe to vape?

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Scubabatdan

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Thank you. As stated, I was concerned with using these as small percentage add-in flavors in complex recipes at very low percentages. Only until suitable PG based flavors can be obtained.
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No problem, here is a list of oils to avoid....

•Almond (Bitter) - Prunus amygdalus var. amara ◦Prussic acid - also known as cyanide, is the main constituent of bitter almond oil, and even small amounts can be lethal.
◦Almond essence is made from this oil, but only after the prussic oil has been removed with rectification and washed by alkali, but is now replaced by synthetic flavoring.

•Boldo - Peumus boldus ◦The dried leaves are used in herbal medicine, but the oil is powerful and even in very small quantities produces convulsions.

•Calamus - Acorus calamus ◦The root of this plant is used in herbal medicine to treat a variety of problems, from nerves, headaches and vertigo, but the oil contains asorone - which is carcinogenic, and oral ingestion can cause convulsions as well as kidney and liver damage.

•Camphor - Cinnamomum camphora ◦Although camphor is used in the treatment of certain infectious and respiratory diseases, oral ingestion is toxic.

•Cassia - Cinnamomum cassia ◦This herb is used for a series of digestive complaints, yet is a dermal sensitizer and also irritates the mucus membranes.

•Horseradish - Cochlearia armoracia ◦The herbal use of horseradish is apparently effective to treat coughs, yet the oil of horseradish contains allyl isothiocyanate (as does mustard oil) and is an irritant to the skin, eyes, nose and mucus membranes.

•Mugwort - Artemisia vulgaris ◦Although this herb has been used for a variety of problems, the oil is toxic, an abortifacient and a neurotoxin.

•Mustard - Brassica nigra ◦Although mustard seeds and powder do not contain allyl isothiocyanate, it is formed when the seeds come into contact with water and the essential oil is formed when a glycoside decomposes due to enzymatic action.
◦This oil is not only toxic because of its high content (92% minimum) of allyl isothiocyanate, but is also a skin and mucus membrane irritant.

•Pennyroyal - Mentha pulegium ◦Although this herb has had a long use for various complaints including menstrual problems and as a stimulant, the oil is toxic and an abortifacient and can even in small quantities cause acute liver and lung damage.

•Rue - Ruta graveolens ◦Although the herbal use of rue may be helpful, this oil will not only irritate and burn your skin when you apply it, but is toxic, an abortifacient, an irritant to the mucus membranes, a neurotoxin and cause sun sensitivity due to phototoxicity.

•Sassafras - Sassafras albidum ◦This herb has been used for rheumatic pains and gout, but the oil is high in safrole (80 - 90%) which is banned by the FDA since it is carcinogenic (cancer causing) and it can be lethally toxic as well - even in small amounts.

•Savin - Juniperus sabina ◦This oil is toxic since its content of sabinene, sabinol as well as sabinyl acetate, and is furthermore a skin irritant and an abortifacient.

•Tansy - Tanacetum vulgare toxic essential oils dangerous do not use IFRA restricted ◦Tansy oil is high in thujone, which is poisonous and also causes convulsions, vomiting, uterine bleeding etc and death is normally the result of respiratory arrest and organ failure.

•Thuja - Thuja occidentalis ◦Even a herbal infusion of this can have medical complications, but as an oil it is a powerful abortifacient, poison as well as neurotoxin.

•Wintergreen - Gaultheria procumbens ◦The active ingredient in wintergreen oil is methyl salicylate (98%) and although it has been used in ointments for rheumatism and other such complaints, the topical application of this oil, even in much diluted blends, can be a skin irritant - especially to those sensitive to aspirin (salicylate). Wintergreen oil is also very poisonous.

•Wormseed - Chenopodium ambrosioides ◦The name is linked to the fact that wormseed was used to expel round and hookworms, but due to it toxicity to the liver and kidneys, and suppression of heart function, and general toxicity and neurotoxicity it is no longer used.

•Wormwood - Artemisio absinthium ◦The drink absinthe (the drink of choice of Vincent van Gogh) contained wormwood and continuous consumption produces auditory and visual hallucinations, addiction and a couple of other unpleasant side effects.
◦The active ingredient is thujone, which is a convulsant and neurotoxin and the oil also has abortifacient properties.


BTW TPA has an excellent cinnamon and red hot cinnamon flavors. And FA has an excellent orange flavor.
Dan
 
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Hey everyone, I have addressed this issue before, but I guess I will again.
I have been vaping for almost 4 years now and DIY for most of that, I have used essential oils and researched if oils are safe. After all they use them in aromatherapy shops like this one:
Essential Oils : VapeNow, Herbal Vaporizer, Digital & Portable Vaporizers - Reviews & Shop @ VapeNow.com
I have always maintained that at low % they do no harm to the coil and if the aromatherapy people are using them then they should be safe in ecigs. I agree with gimmeshelter31, you should only use essential oils and NOT vegetable carry oils, and I use everclear to help diffuse the oil also so it will mix with the PG. Funny thing is people keep going back to if it says a flavor is insoluble in water do not use it. Insoluble in water it does not mean you cant use it in PG as PG is NOT water based. It is a diol or double alcohol, the key is propolene glyc(ol) The last two letters shows it is not water based. It is a hygroscopic liquid which means it can attract and hold water molecules. I have always advised people that if they want to use oils in their juice to 1, use only essential oils. 2, do not exceed 3% oils flavor in the mix.
Well I hope that helps.
Dan


I'm new to this so a little confused by your answer. You say (you should only use essential oils and NOT vegetable carry oils). Vegetable glycerin is made from vegetable oil. So what am I missing here?
 

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I'm new to this so a little confused by your answer. You say (you should only use essential oils and NOT vegetable carry oils). Vegetable glycerin is made from vegetable oil. So what am I missing here?

Glycerin is derived from vegetable fats (oils) and or animal fats, derived does not mean it is vegetable oil, its chemical composition is changed. Vegetable oils such a peanut, corn, kanola etc are used to dilute and carry the essential oils. Many manufactures do this to cut cost and improve profit and should not be used. Only essential oils from a reputable store should be used.
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Glycerin is derived from vegetable fats (oils) and or animal fats, derived does not mean it is vegetable oil, its chemical composition is changed. Vegetable oils such a peanut, corn, kanola etc are used to dilute and carry the essential oils. Many manufactures do this to cut cost and improve profit and should not be used. Only essential oils from a reputable store should be used.
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Thanks for taking time to answer my question. Been reading up on PG/VG and some of it gets confusing.
 

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Do you mix the Flavor/alcohol together before adding into the Base?

Sorry to take so long , just got back on. Yes ,I like to put the E.O. and alcohol in the bottle first and shake a little, then ad my base liquid as I feel it helps the oil flavoring incorporate with the base mix more easily that way.
 
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Thanks Hoosier. yep he is correct. That list only applies to essential oils. All of the TPA flavors are artificial flavor for the most part.
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Hi Dan,

I'm a little confused by this now. I've read some places that Artificial Flavors were the Worst to get.

I just read up from post #1, but I found you for another reason. I almost sent you a PM with this, but decided to post it here, so everyone could benefit.




I asked a question in Ask the Vets about using Essential Oils, Cinnamon from Scents of Nature, specifically. Some people said "No Oils," but Kent C gave me this post of yours . . .

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...hought-oils-werent-safe-vape.html#post9458795 #22

I did not see Cinnamon specifically excluded, and you even said "TPA has an excellent cinnamon." Now I see that TPA/TFA is Artificial (at least most of it). Anyway . . .

I have no way of knowing if this Essential Oil has any Cinnamomum Camphora or Cinnamomum Cassia in it. All it says is Cinnamon Essential Oil. The only info on the bottle gives a phone number - 1-800-54-SCENT, but no website. It also says Made in USA. It was purchased for Aromatherapy, and given to me becuase it had not been used much, but they knew I liked the smell of Cinnamon.

A friend of mine uses The Flavor Apprentice Cinnamon RedHots Flavor (which is supposed to be All Natural) at 15% in DIY 100% VG (I use 100% VG). So I'm wondering, 1st, if this Essential Oil is actually Safe use, and if it is, then 2nd, about what percentage do you think would relate to 15% of the TFA? I've been using it without any reactions, but this Essentail Oil might be a different kind of Cinnamon.

I also saw that you and other people are using PGA to help diffuse the oil. Would I need to do this for 100% VG also? I'd be OK with small amounts of Everclear, and I do have some. One person said about the same number of drops of PGA as Essential Oil for PG. Would that relate to 100% VG also?

I know that some people will not use Essential Oils, but I have had no reactions to The Flavor Apprentice Cinnamon RedHots Flavor at 15%, or Vapors Choice RedHot E-Liquid mixed at 20% Flavor, both in 100% VG (they both taste the same to me), so I want to try this Essential Oil, if this brand is OK to use. I have lots of USP VG and Unflavored VG Nic for DIY, stored in the Fridge.

Thanks in advance. :)
 
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