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VapourGuy

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I know that one of the Canadian distributors was going to carry them but I don’t think they still plan to due to lack of interest in big battery P/V’s. I have 2 and I had jump through quite a few hoops to get it here in Canada but it was well worth it as in my opinion theres nothing out there that compares to it and the way it performs as you just set it to the wattage you prefer to vape at and throw on any atomizer or cartomizer and it will check the resistance of the atty or cartomizer and self adjust the voltage & amps to run that wattage. I bought a second one after the first to have just in case I had to send the first one in for anything but I have not had any problems at all and the second one has barely been used at all and just sits in a drawer and comes out to get charged the odd time. I have a lot of P/V’s and the Darwin is by far my favourite for it’s performance and especially the battery life as I get a day and a bit out of it and most of the others I go through 2-3 batteries a day. If you're thinking of becoming a reseller of them you should first think of how many you will actually be able to sell in Canada with the $200+ price tag as most of the vapers here don’t seem to buy many big battery P/V’s let alone ones in that price range.
 

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I dont have a Darwin...yet..LOL..But when I hear talk of getting a day out of a big battery mod and that seems to satisfy, I have to wonder WHY it satisfies. I get 2 plus days from my Silver Bullet with a high MAH battery, and 3 plus days from my Helix with its 26650 gargantuan battery. So if you look for long battery life and a good hitting and versatile device, why not spend HALF the bucks and get the real deal the first time around?..Just curious, maybe its a Canadian thing...LOL
 

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Considering there is only about 3 Darwin’s in Canada from what I understand and hundreds in the US I don’t really think it’s a Canadian thing. I have a Helix and get long battery life out of it but the rest doesn’t compare and with my silver bullet I go through 2 IMR 18650 in a day so battery life in my opinion is not that good as I don’t want to carry batteries around with me and again the rest doesn’t compare. If I wanted use either of them at 6 volts I’d have to carry around 6 extra batteries which I not interested in either. I started vaping in 2008 and waited for something that was really worth buying in my opinion to upgrade and it was the Darwin which I bought for my first upgraded P/V and I have bought quite a few more for the hell of it and they all don’t even come close to performing like the Darwin does although I do appreciate them all for different reasons.
 

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Some people love the Darwin (our beloved Jack has one, for example)...and hey, if it gives you vaping pleasure, enjoy. But some people really dislike the Darwin. I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad PV; I'm saying that for a $229 mod, it has some notable failings that make the price unattractive. Consider:

- It's oddly shaped (a matter of opinion, but yeah)
- the battery isn't removable (yoy)
- it adjusts settings for you, if resistance changes (I would rather adjust settings myself)
- the finger-wheel is extremely sensitive (yoy)
- it has no juice well (geez, this alone = major fail in a $229 mod)
- excess juice can end up going directly into the PV & killing it! (awful! major fail in a $229 mod)
- warranty is only for 1 year (ProVari's is 2 years, for $25 extra)
- it's more expensive and not as good ($229, vs the ProVari's $159 for a superior PV)
- it's made of aluminum, so it's not as durable as the ProVari (which is made of stainless steel)
- Evolv refuses to ship to most countries; ProVape ships virtually everywhere
- Always seems to be out of stock; not so with the ProVari

I know I'm a bit biased, being a ProVari owner. I also recognize that some of the above issues are more subjective than objective.

But some of the above is objectively negative, too. I mean seriously - no juice well on a $229 mod? Potential for juice getting into the PV & killing it? Non-removable battery? If you like the Darwin...by all means, enjoy! That's really all that matters in the end...your vaping enjoyment. But all of the above inclines me to personally say no thanks to the Darwin.

Simplicity of use coupled with great performance & superior design is a good thing. With the ProVari, you just pop the battery in & twist the cap on. A few button presses lets you choose or adjust the voltage. A few button presses lets you check the remaining battery life, or the resistance/ohms rating of your atty or cartomizer. That's it.

With the ProVari...I never once need to ponder wattage or start doing a bunch of math. Only thing to consider is the desired voltage...and the resistance of my carto, easy peasy. Anyone can choose a voltage setting. Anyone can press the button to check resistance, etc. It's exceedingly simple to use. Fully sealed...a deep juice well...solid materials...a slick, professional quality that you have to feel in person to truly understand. She was designed using the same military design rules that NASA uses. Built-in protective features run automatically & constantly (no need for math there either) to ensure that the ProVari remains protected, & performs beautifully on a consistent basis. The only thing I need to do is press & vape.

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The ProVari & Darwin presently stand alone in the high-end category for PV's. The combination of features & capabilities they possess are presently found nowhere else. Soon, DigitalCiggz's Eclipse eq will join them in this (once it becomes available).

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I personally think the Eclipse eq will offer stiffer competition to the ProVari than the Darwin does or ever can; yet the Eclipse eq is different enough from the ProVari (for example, aesthetically...and in its juice-feeding feature) to make the choice a matter of personal preference, rather than necessarily being better or worse. Though even then, the Eclipse eq won't be as durable as the ProVari...the site says it'll be made from aluminum. It will also not have as wide a range of voltage settings as the ProVari has. For these & many other reasons, my preference will remain as now.

Meanwhile, I still say the ProVari is far, far superior to the Darwin in virtually every way. But that's just me. And unlike the Darwin...you can actually order a ProVari!

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Anyway...just wanted to share. Happy vaping everyone!
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I was considering the Provari, and had almost settled on it until I realized how bad the battery life seems to be, even with the extended battery. Then I considered that the $159 mod would still need batteries, endcaps, and a charger, bringing the price right in line with the Darwin. I have 501-T's and Ego-T's and am beginning to dislike constantly swapping out batteries, and I also crave a variable voltage device. I think the USB charger/passthrough of the Darwin is a nice touch as well. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. With any luck I won't have any issues with juice leaking into the unit, but if anyone knows of any accessories that will alleviate this risk I'd love to know.

Evolv replied earlier giving me a timeline on when the units would be back in stock, and also advised me that there will be a Canadian reseller of the Darwin in the near future. Here's hoping it all comes together smoothly and quickly, because otherwise I may very well end up with a 'vari and a couple handfulls of batteries..
 

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For what it's worth, Haadkoe...one 18490 batt (the smaller one) lasts me a full day of robust, worry-free vaping. I have never yet managed to actually drain one completely. Only twice have I even managed to use it enough to see the early-warning "low battery" flashing light. Both those times, I had stayed up way past my bedtime.

I vape a lot...all day. If I'm getting a full day of heavy vaping from the smaller battery, without even using the whole charge...that's great battery life. I have the 18650 batts too, and the extension cap...but I've never used them, since there's no need. Each morning I pop a fresh 18490 into the ProVari...and charge the one that was used the day before, then set it aside for the next morning. The charge usually takes 2 hours or less to do.

Unless you're planning on vaping at really high voltages on a regular basis (which would obviously drain it faster)...I think you'd be fine with the battery life.

Whatever you decide though...best of luck, and happy vaping!
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Not to get too off topic here, but I'm looking to purchase my first MOD as well and this is all great information!

I was wondering if any of you well informed types could let me know where the Super T Precise types fit in this scheme?

I know it's not VV but is it still regarded as a high end big battery mod? Any lovers or haters? I feel like researching ecigs has become a full time job lol!



Thanks! And good luck finding a Darwin op!
 

Haadkoe

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Thanks for the insight Rachel. I'm somewhat perplexed how you manage to get such good battery life when others are reporting dead batteries after 4 hours or so, but as you mentioned, voltage plays a big part in how long the battery will last between recharges. I figure I'll be vaping in the 5 volt range, so battery life is something I'm weighing pretty heavily. I'm sure I'd be happy with the Provari though if I were to buy one since all reports indicate it's an extremely high quality product.

As far as bottom feeders are concerned, I was considering those as well since they're so highly regarded by those who use them. The high volume of juice they hold is a definite selling point to me, but the lack of true variable voltage units has me looking elsewhere. As far as bottom feeders go I think it's a choice between 3.7v or 6v which is either too low or two high to be ideal from what I've read. Since everyone who owns one seems to love the Reo I was looking at them, but then I watched the video and realized that you had to squeeze the bottle to feed the juice which was a turn-off to me. Also, the hole in the side with the o-ring to catch runoff seemed like an elegant solution to an overflow problem I'd rather not deal with at all.

I've only used tank systems thus far and have never ventured into dripping or cartomizers or any of that other stuff, so the idea of filling it up and everything else feeding automatically is a benefit in my eyes. The SSGTS with the auto feeder looked absolutely awesome to me, until I read the part of the review that stated that using it at some angles resulted in a mouthful of juice. That killed it for me, sadly.

I wish there were an electronically controlled variable voltage mod, with an autofeeding tank, great battery life, and preferably a USB port. For now, I'm guessing that a Darwin with a 510-t atty and XL tanks is going to be the closest I can get.
 

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am not knocking the Provar in way and I wouldn’t as it is a great P/V and it performs very well and I enjoy mine. I’m gonna try to clear up some of the incorrect information here with the facts.

- the battery isn't removable (yoy)

The battery will cost $25 in the future if it needs replaced after the 1 year warranty is up. The battery last me 11/2 − 2 days of HEAVY VAPING.
With My Provari I go through 2 IMR18490 and still need to throw on the extender cap with a IMR18650 or go threw 2 18650 and need the third one before the day is done most of the time with around the same amount of vaping.

- it adjusts settings for you, if resistance changes (I would rather adjust settings myself)

I throw on any atomizer or cartomizer and move the wheel till I find its just right and done till I switch to the next one and don’t have to look at it at all so great with driving and any other time.

With my Provari I have to keep pushing the button to find out what the resistance is if I don’t know already and then do the same to the change the voltage to where it will let me use it without showing me E1 or E2 to lower the voltage or change my atomizer or cartomizer. I get to decide where I want the voltages yes but it decides where it will work with whatever atty or carto I put on which kinda annoys me as I feel like I’m a big boy and I can make my own decision and also it is not to safe when I’m driving to keep looking down at the display.

- it has no juice well (geez, this alone = major fail in a $229 mod)
- excess juice can end up going directly into the PV & killing it! (awful! major fail in a $229 mod)

The earlier units that were released some had issues with juice getting in the unit and causing problems but Evolv sealed all the units around the arm,dial and button to make sure it wouldn’t happen the new units. If you have an older unit you can buy a Dripsheild as it is good to have for use on all P/V’s although I don’t use it much as I’m not a big dripper.
I’ve had a quite a bit juice leak on it from crackomizers a few times and I’ve not had a problem yet if I do thats what the warranty is for.

{warranty is only for 1 year (ProVari's is 2 years, for $25 extra)

The Provari comes with 1 year warranty or you can pay $25 for 1 more year to make it 2 years and if you sell it Provape washes there hands of the warranty all together so if you did pay for the extra year consider it donated. If you have a problem you ship it to them and they will repair it and send it back.

FYI it comes with 1 year warranty on the battery and a 2 year warranty on the unit included in the price and the warranty goes with it if sold to someone else. Everyone that I’ve heard of having a problem Evolv has sent them a new one and told them when it comes to send the other one in.

- it's more expensive and not as good ($229, vs the ProVari's $159 for a superior PV)

Provari = $159 + charger for $15 + 2 batteries 18490 $22 or 18650 $24 + extender cap $20 1 year extra warranty to even it up $25 = $243 with 2 year warranty & 18650 package or $221 with 2 year warranty & 18490 batteries

Darwin with 2 year warranty $229

- it's made of aluminum, so it's not as durable as the ProVari (which is made of stainless steel)

Both units are around the same weight pretty much as they are both really solid units and being that I am educated in metals and there strengths I’m pretty sure they have the same durability.

- Evolv refuses to ship to most countries; ProVape ships virtually everywhere

Evolve makes them and Nhaler distributes them and people all over the world have bought them from Nhaler and continue to except in Canada & the UK. Nhaler is not allowed to ship them to People in Canada or the UK as Vendors in both of those countries made deals & have contracts of some sort with Evolve to distribute them in those countries for them

- Always seems to be out of stock; not so with the ProVari

When the Provari first came out and it was the new big thing you would buy and wait a month for it to be put together or whatever and then it would be shipped to you and now it’s been out for over a year and that is no longer the case.

The Darwin is still fairly new and there is many out there still want one and instead of paying for one and waiting a few weeks for it to be assembled or whatever and shipped they watch the Darwin thread or contact Nhaler to find out when there is the next batch being released and then go to the site on that date and time and buy one and they sell out fast so if you snooze you lose.

For both it’s called supply and demand.


Simplicity is great indeed as instead of pushing a button and counting or watching a screen to turn the unit on and check this or adjust that you just turn the arm up press the button and vape if it’s not to your liking dial it in without looking at a thing unless you want to look then it’s all right there on the screen all of the time and the only thing you had to pop was an atomizer or cartomizer on it. Just saying

I personally prefer my Darwin for its performance & I find it is easier to use and the battery lasts me the whole day. I also really like that with the Darwin I have been able to get great performance & use all of all the old used atomizer that no longer performed good on any other device.
You really can’t go wrong with choosing to buy either devices I would recommend you do your homework on both and then choose the one that you think will work best for you. If you decide to buy the Darwin and for some reason decide it’s not for you then you can post it in the main classifieds for $10 less then you bought it for and have no problems selling it with the transferable warranty.

Here are 2 videos for they OP the was looking to talk about the DARWIN so I’m putting them here incase he has not seen them yet.
YouTube - ‪Darwin ecig Mod & ELiquid Review Evolv.com / Nhaler.com‬‏
 

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Darwin is way too hyped up, and its failings hidden all too often. Since the fanboys will always list the positive aspects, I'll list why I sold the one I had after 2 weeks.

1) Completely moronic ordering process. Seems the darwin is listed at nhaler to generate site traffic, not actually sell them. Took me 2 months of refresh refresh refresh refresh every time a new batch came in to get one ordered. Then it was 2 weeks before it actually arrived because they forgot to mail it. Just trying to get one should be a red flag to shop someplace else.

2) Dripping on it is a fine art. Swivel connection for the atty is not sealed, and juice will get inside the unit if an atty or carto leaks. Ended up using an empire dripshield to keep juice out of the connector.

3) LCD screen is exposed: let nothing bang into it, or mash it. It will shatter.

4) Fragile: its made of aluminum, but the electronics inside of it will not take a drop to concrete. First time I dropped it, it quite firing. The switch that controlls the off/on function of the swivel connector comes loose, and you have to re-install it or mail it back to evolv.

5) battery is sealed. Great for light vapors, will last them all day. When your vaping at 12.5 watts on a dual coil carto it will be dead and plugged in while you vape something else. If battery dies, you either have to solder in another, or send it back to evolv to have it replaced.

Just a bunch of hype, is all it is. Carefull though, when someone spends $200+ for a mod, they are usually pretty adamant about defending it. Rest of us just sell them.
 

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Whats the other option? a Provari:

1) Heavy

2) Has to jump up the battery to get more than 3.7 volts

3) Has a crazy menu system (as opposed to a simple wheel) Minimum 6 clicks to do something? PASS!

4) Mediocre battery life

5) Does not have a wattage setting for perfect vapes

I played with them both for a while and bought neither but if I was going to spend the cash it would be a DARWIN. My buddy just dropped his Darwin and he 2 day shipped to them. They EXPRESSED it back to him at no charge. So he was without his Darwin for < 7 days. That, my friend, is service. Oh he also sold his Provari. Different strokes.
 
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Darwin is way too hyped up, and its failings hidden all too often. Since the fanboys will always list the positive aspects, I'll list why I sold the one I had after 2 weeks.

1) Completely moronic ordering process. Seems the darwin is listed at nhaler to generate site traffic, not actually sell them. Took me 2 months of refresh refresh refresh refresh every time a new batch came in to get one ordered. Then it was 2 weeks before it actually arrived because they forgot to mail it. Just trying to get one should be a red flag to shop someplace else.

2) Dripping on it is a fine art. Swivel connection for the atty is not sealed, and juice will get inside the unit if an atty or carto leaks. Ended up using an empire dripshield to keep juice out of the connector.

3) LCD screen is exposed: let nothing bang into it, or mash it. It will shatter.

4) Fragile: its made of aluminum, but the electronics inside of it will not take a drop to concrete. First time I dropped it, it quite firing. The switch that controlls the off/on function of the swivel connector comes loose, and you have to re-install it or mail it back to evolv.

5) battery is sealed. Great for light vapors, will last them all day. When your vaping at 12.5 watts on a dual coil carto it will be dead and plugged in while you vape something else. If battery dies, you either have to solder in another, or send it back to evolv to have it replaced.

Just a bunch of hype, is all it is. Carefull though, when someone spends $200+ for a mod, they are usually pretty adamant about defending it. Rest of us just sell them.

Any bad points to the ProVari you want to cover? Just curious.
 
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