I want bigger clouds

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johndoe1027

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Sweet so as I suspected thicker kanthal a better battery a new rda (that plays into my shinyitis nicely) and stick with the 100% vg flavourless cloudage sweet right I have some shinys to buy then I'll keep u posted thanks for all the advise guys :)

HAHA yes. Keep what you have for, you know, another setup. I did NOT want to start dripping. I didn't even like my first RBA. I wanted to keep my Kanger tanks. Got my first RDA on 10/9/14 and just completed #3 today. Now I have 3 full setups. 98W, 120W and as of today, 160W. I has the shinyitis too.

I'm new to cloud pics and this doesn't do it justice but had to snap one for a buddy.

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Thicker wire helps, better batteries definitely help for sure - and an RDA with larger air / more air flow holes always helps. Higher VG = fatter clouds. But yeah - I'll take a cloud blowing pick with a 50/50... stand by:

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Decent clouds - amazing flavor - 50 / 50 blend

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The 6-wrap 20AWG Coil / Rayon build

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The Mutant and Doge RDA

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Vapor EXPLOSION! On a 50 / 50 - Granted my 70 / 30 would make bigger clouds on initial explosion.

Don't mind the kids - my girlfriends kids love the clouds! :vapor:

Also note I had to replace the Plumeveil for the Doge - as the Plumeveil gets pretty hot with 20AWG wire. But same build structure and all that - 6 wrap - 20AWG - wicked with Rayon (Cellucotton) - for a cleaner tasting vape right off the fresh build.
 
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Yeah the Doge and the MutationX are probably right up the alley for cloud chasers. As the airflow on BOTH is absolutely insane. The Doge in my opinion is my preferred atty over the MutationX just because of the heat fins, which DO in fact work. I know a lot of RDA's lack any sufficient cooling, the Doge - opened up (dual coil mode - wide open) I believe has a 10mm+ airflow setup (which is TOO airy for most) - but she produces the clouds without burning your lips, lungs, or throat. The standard post (before swapping) is a copper post with a copper 510 pin. I have mine swapped out for the stainless post - which works fine. My only complaints about the Doge RDA are the following:

The center post has a tendency to turn easily - the fix - when tightening the post screw down - hold a flathead into the bottom pin and THEN try tightening the post screw.

Limited drip tip usage - I just press fit my Vapelyfe wide bore into it. Until I press fit it into the heat sink cap (halo cap - top cap - drip tip cap - whatever you want to call it) it would stop at the 3/4 mark and would occasionally fall out. The drip tip is now stuck permanently in the cap. Which is fine - I have a box full of wide bore drip tips from various companies. I just prefer my Vapelyfe tips over everything else. Plus brass -> stainless -> brass -> stainless -> brass looks beast IMO.

Designed here in the US - outsourced in China. This can be a problem. As I own 2 of these RDA's already - and although I love them - some of the parts are NOT compatible with each other - I have a spare stainless post that wont allow the threading of ANY screws into it - yet the one post I have works on a handful of screws here and there. They are relatively inexpensive (compared to some of the other devices and atomizers I use frequently) but this shouldn't happen - at all - regardless of where they're manufactured.

The heat sink fins are pretty sharp. It took the whole top layer of skin off my finger once while trying to prove a point that my drip tip was stuck - for life. So be careful.

What I love about the Doge:

Flavor - once you pop the heat sink cap off of it, give it a turn upside down and have a look for yourself. Its conical. Which somehow not only helps evenly distribute heat - but also plays a role in flavor production.

No heat - no matter how hard you vape this thing - I've chain pulled 20+ times to get it to get hot - nothing. The only thing that got hot was the vapor after like pull 22. The coils were burning up at that point - but i continued to stay the course and pull the hell out of it. The heat sink cap was still safe to touch and although warm - nothing like grabbing the top cap of some atty's *cough* Mephisto *cough* where it would just plain burn the .... out of you.

SPARE PARTS! Literally you could rebuild this thing from the ground up at least 5-6 times before you need spare parts. My baggy came with a micro screw driver, 8 o-rings, 3 sets of spare insulators, 3 sets of spare screws, a stainless steel center post, and my god, a spare copper 510 pin. Who throws an extra 510 pin into their case anymore? These guys did apparently.

Easy of building - it's simple. I still prefer my Mephisto when working with 18AWG and lower wire. But this atty will support dual coil 20AWG easily. The post holes are pretty clean and a pretty good size. So have no fear in building it.

Makes contact with everything I have - granted MY 510 pin is almost flush due to tightening it so much - it used to protrude out a bit, but it made solid connections all the time, every time, and still does so.
 

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Yeah the Doge and the MutationX are probably right up the alley for cloud chasers. As the airflow on BOTH is absolutely insane. The Doge in my opinion is my preferred atty over the MutationX just because of the heat fins, which DO in fact work. I know a lot of RDA's lack any sufficient cooling, the Doge - opened up (dual coil mode - wide open) I believe has a 10mm+ airflow setup (which is TOO airy for most) - but she produces the clouds without burning your lips, lungs, or throat. The standard post (before swapping) is a copper post with a copper 510 pin. I have mine swapped out for the stainless post - which works fine. My only complaints about the Doge RDA are the following:

The center post has a tendency to turn easily - the fix - when tightening the post screw down - hold a flathead into the bottom pin and THEN try tightening the post screw.

Limited drip tip usage - I just press fit my Vapelyfe wide bore into it. Until I press fit it into the heat sink cap (halo cap - top cap - drip tip cap - whatever you want to call it) it would stop at the 3/4 mark and would occasionally fall out. The drip tip is now stuck permanently in the cap. Which is fine - I have a box full of wide bore drip tips from various companies. I just prefer my Vapelyfe tips over everything else. Plus brass -> stainless -> brass -> stainless -> brass looks beast IMO.

Designed here in the US - outsourced in China. This can be a problem. As I own 2 of these RDA's already - and although I love them - some of the parts are NOT compatible with each other - I have a spare stainless post that wont allow the threading of ANY screws into it - yet the one post I have works on a handful of screws here and there. They are relatively inexpensive (compared to some of the other devices and atomizers I use frequently) but this shouldn't happen - at all - regardless of where they're manufactured.

The heat sink fins are pretty sharp. It took the whole top layer of skin off my finger once while trying to prove a point that my drip tip was stuck - for life. So be careful.

What I love about the Doge:

Flavor - once you pop the heat sink cap off of it, give it a turn upside down and have a look for yourself. Its conical. Which somehow not only helps evenly distribute heat - but also plays a role in flavor production.

No heat - no matter how hard you vape this thing - I've chain pulled 20+ times to get it to get hot - nothing. The only thing that got hot was the vapor after like pull 22. The coils were burning up at that point - but i continued to stay the course and pull the hell out of it. The heat sink cap was still safe to touch and although warm - nothing like grabbing the top cap of some atty's *cough* Mephisto *cough* where it would just plain burn the .... out of you.

SPARE PARTS! Literally you could rebuild this thing from the ground up at least 5-6 times before you need spare parts. My baggy came with a micro screw driver, 8 o-rings, 3 sets of spare insulators, 3 sets of spare screws, a stainless steel center post, and my god, a spare copper 510 pin. Who throws an extra 510 pin into their case anymore? These guys did apparently.

Easy of building - it's simple. I still prefer my Mephisto when working with 18AWG and lower wire. But this atty will support dual coil 20AWG easily. The post holes are pretty clean and a pretty good size. So have no fear in building it.

Makes contact with everything I have - granted MY 510 pin is almost flush due to tightening it so much - it used to protrude out a bit, but it made solid connections all the time, every time, and still does so.
I have found a doge available on this side of the pond and a mutation x on the same site can see me getting both lol Damn shinyitis ;-)
 

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I chuck clouds with mech mods. Low resistance + great airflow = nice clouds.
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lol you call that chucking:facepalm:

sorry that was mean, that is more like puffing.

low resistance + calculated large airflow = huge clouds

you can't just have big air holes, they need to be positioned properly and maintain a good ratio of air velocity entering the atty.
 

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lol you call that chucking:facepalm:

sorry that was mean, that is more like puffing.

low resistance + calculated large airflow = huge clouds

you can't just have big air holes, they need to be positioned properly and maintain a good ratio of air velocity entering the atty.

I'm not sure I understand your allusion to a ratio. What's being compared to the velocity?
 

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I'm not sure I understand your allusion to a ratio. What's being compared to the velocity?

air velocity needs to be at the right speed to match the production of vapor from the coil.

if you have a lower ohm coil a bigger air-hole and possibly a more fast inhale will help get bigger clouds

if you have a higher ohm coil a smaller air hole with a slower to moderate inhale will help
 

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Thanks for the like johndoe. I try to be informative about what I know - yesterday I picked up the MutationX V2 RDA from my local vape shop. I can say pitting the MutationX V2 against the Doge, I like my Doge better, but the MutationX V2 is still pretty sick. As a matter of fact I got a video of it I just posted to YouTube. Granted it rants a lot about the tool and specifically the prices of "higher end" devices a lot but it produces some cloudage. And at a 70VG / 30PG blend it's ridiculous. Hope you enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtxXQ18N7x8&feature=youtu.be
 

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Get ready the 22AWG wire might help compensate for the flavor shortage in higher VG liquids - at least it does for me. I like 22AWG wire - but prefer 20AWG. The flavors seem to be bolder and more prevalent the thicker my wire gets IMO. Granted, you're pushing the envelope on safety - so make sure you got some beefy batteries to handle the power drain - VTC4's, VTC5's, MNKE's, Panasonics - to name a few - with the 30AMP drain on them is what I'd suggest if you don't already have them. Higher MaH batteries might help too, as you tend to drain more batteries faster on thicker wire - because the wire requires more power to heat? Either way, when your RDA's get here - take your 22AWG - do about 6 wraps per coil - on something a tad smaller than 1/8" drill bit - should come out to about close to .12 - .15Ohms. Plug them into either RDA, wick them properly, CENTER YOUR COILS ON YOUR AIRFLOW, drip some tastiness on it, and take a fat ... rip. See if we got you headed in the proper direction.

Also make sure you get both RDA's up and running - tell me what you think - vapor and flavor wise.
 
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Okay... so... I need to note first that I don't currently have a job, so I can't get a new RDA or anything like that.

I have an authentic black Raijin with a UD Igo W Plus RDA (the last one I bought with my last paycheck to replace my Vulcan, which is being used on my brass Nemesis clone), with the air holes drilled to be a bit bigger. I use VTC4 batteries. I usually build with 24ga Kanthal, although I've been looking at Royal Wire. My normal build tends to be dual 6/5 wrap with the largest screwdriver in this set. I wanna say it's 3mm, but I honestly don't know for sure. My ohms are usually around .32-.38, though I'd like to go lower.

Thoughts? Suggestions?

What's the lowest I could go build-wise, at least in terms of huge clouds, without getting into danger territory, and what should I use to do it?

Oh... and my typical juice is Max VG (70/30 VG/PG) 4 nic.
 
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