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  1. virm

    virm Ultra Member

    Oct 27, 2019
    Greetings

    Serpent Elevate - recommended: 3-3.5mm ID
    -Ni80 on the way as well.

    Would like to order Kanthal too, but not for high wattages. I vape max. 70w and 50w has been the preference.

    I was told the simpler the better. Have looked through many and lost a few The simpler stuff from a decent looking package with specifications that i've lost track.

    I should note that I read up and received much of the standard advice. I am still not sure what the build/gauge is for a reasonable ramp up, medium warmth, medium wattage.

    The gauges here confuse me. THere's more coils in there than I wanted now, but it's among the few packages of simple wraps with clear specifications.

    https://www.fasttech.com/products/3033/10044157/9626936

    https://www.fasttech.com/products/3033/10044157/9626934

    Not that simple, but i'm guessing the these specific builds actually help ramp-up and get warm at a more reasonable wattage:
    decent reviews but i don't know the internal diameter

    https://www.fasttech.com/products/3033/10050888/9662726-authentic-xfkm-kanthal-a1-tri-core-fused-clapton

    https://www.fasttech.com/products/3033/10050888/9645458-authentic-xfkm-kanthal-a1-alien-clapton-pre

    https://www.fasttech.com/products/3033/10050888/9662728
    .................. i guess it's pointless to keep listing them from the same drop down menu, simple point is, i'm not in addition to not knowing the ID, i am not sure which build/gauge to choose

    any other suggestions are welcome.

    I would like to order before they close for their January holiday

    May flavour flood your lungs with filmy vapour
    So long as no flapour flip its flaps upon your neighbour
    Unless their into that

    in which case eeewk!
     
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  2. puffon

    puffon Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 18, 2014
    Florida
    I like 26 and 24 gauge SS round wire for quick ramp up/cool down. 7 wrap on 3mm (some attys 2.5mm)
    Can't help with the pre-mades...I just roll my own.

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  3. Don29palms

    Don29palms Moved On ECF Veteran

    Sep 12, 2014
    joshua tree, ca
    Be careful when buying premade. Know what you're getting. Those coils they are calling aliens are not aliens. These companies are good for selling something that is not what they are calling it.
     
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  4. virm

    virm Ultra Member

    Oct 27, 2019
    thanks for the responses

    gotta be 3+. wouldn;t mind getting a pack of SS and a pack of kanthal. question is which. unsure about brand and about gauge/build

    caught that in a couple of reviews. hence my request for recommendations.

    if i don't get advice specific for a brand, i'll just get something with good reviews. but i still need to know what gauge/build.

    thankful for everyone's wisdom, i know it's subjective and etc etc etc... i'm not asking what is nice or great. just the simple obvious objective facts. like a juggernaut is big, complex, needs high power, slow to ramp. that's objective.

    from previous advice i've narrowed to just simple round, multicores, fused or the other clapton and maybe alien. but i assume this is all gauge dependent.

    higher gauge means lower resistance but slower ramp up and more power.
    lower gauge higher resistance but less power.
    but if you reach 0.5ohm and above, aren't you entering MTL territory?
    see where a rook' gets stuck?
     
  5. Don29palms

    Don29palms Moved On ECF Veteran

    Sep 12, 2014
    joshua tree, ca
    The very first thing I would recommend is not buy any of the garbage coils being sold at Fasttech. Advanced Vape Supply is a reputable supplier with quality products. As far as choice of coils will depend on your style of vaping. I personally only use my custom designed coils anymore. I only use ni80. If I were to buy premade coils these are what I would use 10 Pack Triple Core Fused Clapton Coils N80 (28gx3/36g)
    These are a good all around coil. Good ramp up and cool down, good flavor a really good clouds. They'll work great in an RDA and RTA. They will get hot in an RTA if you chain vape though. They will be good at your wattage of 50-70 watts.
     
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  6. virm

    virm Ultra Member

    Oct 27, 2019
    i've ordered two packs of ni80... want to get kanthal too.

    i'm in Europe, hence wasn;t looikng at AVS, having done so, also found they offer no kanthal

    btw, am i right in finding no reference to the inner diameter in this? my understanding is that all this refers to the wire(s) diameter, not the inside of the coil, right?
    26*2/30 AWG / 0.4mm*2/0.25mm dia. / 0.3ohm
     
  7. Don29palms

    Don29palms Moved On ECF Veteran

    Sep 12, 2014
    joshua tree, ca
    That is correct. It doesn't say inner diameter. Most of the time the inner diameter will be in the description. Anymore the standard ID is 3mm.
     
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  8. TrollDragon

    TrollDragon ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Dec 3, 2014
    NS, Canada
    Don't get hung up on slotting in a specific resistance range to define DTL or MTL vaping...

    I've used 1.8Ω Kanthal coils in a Kayfun as well as 0.07Ω NiFe70 coils, both were MTL builds. Generally MTL builds have a higher resistance due to the thinner gauge wire used, but it all depends on the wire resistance.

    On the other side of the coin, there are many 4S and 5S PWM mod users who run 1.4Ω builds on a series deck for full on DTL cloud production. They perform just as well as a 0.2Ω build on a 2S mod but are much easier on the battery pack.

    I'd pick some spools of 26, 24 and 22ga Kanthal, Nichrome 80 and SS316L to wrap your own simple coils with until you find out what you want. You can use that wire to build single strand, twisted or parallel much cheaper in the long run than buying premade "fancy" coils.

    Also it all comes down to what atty you will be using, you build for the chamber size and airflow of that atty. Triple or quad core fused claptons might not be a good choice if the atty can't supply juice fast enough to the wicks, high mass coils retain a lot of heat so if the airflow isn't up to par you'll end up with a very hot atty that usually transfers to the top cap and drip tip.

    Many factors... Start simple, get it perfected and then move on to more complex builds IMHO.
     
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  9. Don29palms

    Don29palms Moved On ECF Veteran

    Sep 12, 2014
    joshua tree, ca
    I'm sorry I can't recommend any kanthal coils. I personally hate kanthal and avoid it at all costs.
     
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  10. Sugar_and_Spice

    Sugar_and_Spice ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sep 11, 2010
    between here and there
    I think you are over thinking this. First the invisible line between mtl and sub ohm is usually 1.0 ohms. The higher the number of the gauge the thinner the wire the faster it heats up. Have you tried just a slow one step at a time experiment? Meaning an average guage between 24-28 to see which you like best? It may take a little time but at least you will have some reference as to what you like. I buy premade coils from fasttech and never had problems. I buy MKWS and always gotten quality material from them.
    Hth
    :)
     
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  11. Don29palms

    Don29palms Moved On ECF Veteran

    Sep 12, 2014
    joshua tree, ca
    Saying you get quality coils from MKWS is the same as saying you get quality mods and attys from Smok.
     
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  12. virm

    virm Ultra Member

    Oct 27, 2019
    wait wait wait wait stay!
    what's the inner diameter?????
     
  13. Sugar_and_Spice

    Sugar_and_Spice ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sep 11, 2010
    between here and there
    Don pls do not start. You have you opinion and i have mine but you dont see me commenting on how wrong i may think it is. Each of us have our own likes and dislikes so a little respect is all that is needed. If what i say does not fit in your way of doing things i really don't need to know it. Plus it just fills the thread with useless bs.
     
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  14. Sugar_and_Spice

    Sugar_and_Spice ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sep 11, 2010
    between here and there
    Experiment with different sizes. Read the descriptions on the website. Make a choice based on desired resistance -ohms.
     
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  15. puffon

    puffon Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 18, 2014
    Florida
    It's really not that hard to wrap a piece of wire around a drill bit/screwdriver to make an inner diameter that works for you. When you find what works then buy the pre-mades with those specs, if you want.
     
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  16. TrollDragon

    TrollDragon ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Dec 3, 2014
    NS, Canada
    We sell a ton of these Max Mesh coils @ $8 per coil, 3 days go by and they are back for another coil. :lol:
    WIN_20191229_14_07_33_Pro.jpg
    Purveying junk can be very lucrative. :toast:
     
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  17. Don29palms

    Don29palms Moved On ECF Veteran

    Sep 12, 2014
    joshua tree, ca
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  18. virm

    virm Ultra Member

    Oct 27, 2019
    oh no... and my corpse their chessboard!
    me me me _ give me the attention_

    i thought i was the only one that doesn't read the question all the way before i answer:

    1. must be 3mm+ ID for the atty

    3. don't want to wrap my own now

    7. i know that FT is less quality, asking what's better among what they offer OR

    2. where else i can get them that ship internationally

    28. want kanthal

    105. maybe SS in addition

    34. i have ordered ni80

    -51. i know i should start simple this is me starting simple i am starting simple

    i love this. haven't laughed out loud in a couple of weeks
     
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  19. Sugar_and_Spice

    Sugar_and_Spice ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sep 11, 2010
    between here and there
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  20. virm

    virm Ultra Member

    Oct 27, 2019
    did you guys just have a PM conference: fresh meat_ let's see if we can make'em cry...?
     
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