If e-cigs were banned, how would you...

[Philx123]

get around it?

The way I figure it, so long as I could get batteries and atties, I'd be okay, as I'd vape zero nic liquid, and if that were difficult to find, I'd just vape my own.

I figure one of the strengths of the vaping community is that so much of it is DIY. We can buy the liquid ingredients (except the nicotine, I guess - that might very well be banned), and mix the stuff ourselves, then, given that we could get hold of atomisers, vape away. We wouldn't even need batteries if we had passthroughs.

Of course, I figure you could just order in from abroad, as in Australia, but I also understand that there is now legislation to fine people with nicotine e-liquid. But supposing the bottom was regulated out of the market and they stopped producing atomisers in great numbers in China, atomisers would be the big difficulty.

Would you stock up and try to make them last, or just go back to smoking?

 

[bjannr]

I think there would always be a black market for supplies. Are the illegal drugs in short supply??? I don't think I would want to do jail time for vaping. I would probably just flavor 0mg PG and be done with it.

 

[Cronus6]

I'd go back to smoking.

They can't really legislate batteries and attys and such. The modding community has all but proven that almost anyone with a little skill can build these things. There's just really no way to ban hardware that works. I suppose they could ban minis and "starter kits". But you aren't going to get Radio Shack to stop selling project boxes, and batteries are used in too many things (hell, you can use the battery out of your cellphone in a pinch.).

IF a ban comes down it will be on juice. It will likely be a ban pushed for by big tobacco and the pharmaceutical companies. With a healthy dose of "Think Of The Children" thrown in just for the usual fear/"we have to do something!!" factor.

I'm guessing, with a ban they will find something in "studies conducted by a independent lab" in juice that is "linked" to some malady or another.

More likely, I think, is that we will see a tax imposed on juice, probably per ml. Tax revenue is one of the biggest reasons the government doesn't do anything meaningful about cigarettes (and/or alcohol for that matter).

 

[APD99]

If e-cigs were banned I would help organize a "Million Vaper March" on DC and we can all gather on the lawn and have a massive picnic/vaperfest.

 

[ThreePutt]

I don't think it'd be a ban, per se, versus a lot of new regulation. Obviously, the mom-and-pop juice vendors would go away, to be replaced by corporations that could meet the regulatory standards, quality controls, etc. They'd claim there is no consistent governance of quality with the homebrew-style type vendors. In addition, there's no taxation on juice the way ciggies are taxed. That'd change, and tax-happy states like New York would slap an instant $6 tax per 10ml.

Big tobacco might jump in, as this would be a revenue stream. They could make money even if their smoking customers stop the ciggies. Expect watered-down concentrations, dull flavors, and maybe the addition of other junk in their juices. The next stop would be to outsource, as it can be made cheaper, translating into higher profits.

Great - more stuff from China.

 

[want to quit]

You can get any illegal drug or whatever you want anywhere in the world I am pretty sure I would get my hands on some e-liquid or at least that's what I would hope for.

 

[LibertyValance]

A ban is not something I seriously have to worry about in the US. I could buy pot, hard drugs, or automatic weapons within 15 minutes of my house, so I am sure I would be able to find vaping materials as well regardless of any "ban".

 

[Uncle Willie]

If we are willing to pay the price when and if the blackmarket replaces legit sales outlets because of a ban or stiff regulation, the goods will be available ..

Demand and profit is all it takes .. as with anything ..

That is, if you don't mind being a closet criminal ..

 

[Bozzlite]

I'm thinking along the same lines as Threeputt. I don't think there will be a ban on e-cigs, just heavy regulation and taxation on nicotine juice.

Probably a limit on nic strength. It would pretty low, in the 2mg to 4mg range to stay in line with nic patches and gum. Banning of "flavored" nic juice along the lines of flavored cigs.

BTW, anyone ever wonder why nicotine gum is so expensive? I don't believe it has excise taxes like tobacco. Maybe they have to hire a lot of people to inject each piece of gum with nicotine individually. LOL.

 

[hairball]

I would never go back to smoking. The US would have a hard time stopping all imported juice. I would keep placing orders abroad until I get some.

If all else fails, I would vape 0nic. Smoking isn't an option for me anymore.

 

[ricks]

I would just buy online from other countries like I did with anologs. I have SEEN Marlboro from Russia selling for 17.95 per carton.

 

[ymgie]

I don't think it'd be a ban, per se, versus a lot of new regulation. Obviously, the mom-and-pop juice vendors would go away, to be replaced by corporations that could meet the regulatory standards, quality controls, etc. They'd claim there is no consistent governance of quality with the homebrew-style type vendors. In addition, there's no taxation on juice the way ciggies are taxed. That'd change, and tax-happy states like New York would slap an instant $6 tax per 10ml.

Big tobacco might jump in, as this would be a revenue stream. They could make money even if their smoking customers stop the ciggies. Expect watered-down concentrations, dull flavors, and maybe the addition of other junk in their juices. The next stop would be to outsource, as it can be made cheaper, translating into higher profits.

Great - more stuff from China.

Gotta agree with ThreePutt...It's very very unlikely to have a ban (from a federal level anyway). China now dictates commerce now in the USA simply because we are in debt to them (much like the world was in debt to us 60+ years ago) . It's not likely they will allow a total ban to cut into their importing commerce ....

 

[APD99]

I'm thinking along the same lines as Threeputt. I don't think there will be a ban on e-cigs, just heavy regulation and taxation on nicotine juice.

Probably a limit on nic strength. It would pretty low, in the 2mg to 4mg range to stay in line with nic patches and gum. Banning of "flavored" nic juice along the lines of flavored cigs.

BTW, anyone ever wonder why nicotine gum is so expensive? I don't believe it has excise taxes like tobacco. Maybe they have to hire a lot of people to inject each piece of gum with nicotine individually. LOL.

There are legal ways around that. There is regulation on nic-gum, but not on regular gum. If mom and pop e-juice stores sold flavored liquid with no nic in it and it just happens that it's a bit on the heavy side...and if it was mixed with phillip morris nic e-juice by the person who bought it...well that's not what it was sold for and we are not responsible for what the end user does with our product.
Also you have to realize that we are regulated as a tobacco product, so anything that will effect us also has to get past the pipe and cigar crowd....prohibition makes for strange bedfellows.

 

[Cronus6]

I don't think it'd be a ban, per se, versus a lot of new regulation. Obviously, the mom-and-pop juice vendors would go away, to be replaced by corporations that could meet the regulatory standards, quality controls, etc. They'd claim there is no consistent governance of quality with the homebrew-style type vendors. In addition, there's no taxation on juice the way ciggies are taxed. That'd change, and tax-happy states like New York would slap an instant $6 tax per 10ml.

Big tobacco might jump in, as this would be a revenue stream. They could make money even if their smoking customers stop the ciggies. Expect watered-down concentrations, dull flavors, and maybe the addition of other junk in their juices. The next stop would be to outsource, as it can be made cheaper, translating into higher profits.

Great - more stuff from China.

While I don't disagree with what you are saying, here's a different way to look at it.

Mom & Pop operations : there are currently (some VERY) small tobacco vendors ( see Daughter and Ryan tobacco for example, that's a link to their "factory store" their home page is "under construction and has been for a year or so...) they cater to a small group of Roll Your Own smokers. There is a good chance that many of ours would continue on as well, under new regulations of course, and be subject to health dept and/or FDA/BATF inspections.

 

[Philx123]

I suppose one of the biggest things is how big the e-cig market is. If it were a big market, I assume that pressure from China might force the hand of government, or hardware production, if unregulated as I suppose would be the case, could carry on unabated, and if there were stringent control, then a black market would undoubtably spring up. But is the market big enough?
How big is the vaping community? I imagine if we were just a fringe market, the problem might be that with over-zealous restriction, we might find that attomiser producers especially, turn to something more lucrative.

I read that the EU is looking to regulate e-cigs in the next twelve months, with a move to outlaw them (as I read it). I also read that BAT (British American Tobacco) with the support of the ex head of Tesco are looking to introduce a "safe" cigarette, which uses a cold mist (I suppose like a spray) rather than hot technology, but for all other intents and purposes is the same as our e-cigs. This I suppose could be good and bad. It would mean a hike in prices, and tax, but also quality control and easy availability.

(links:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...cientists-finally-created-safe-cigarette.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...tobacco-campaign-heralds-new-regulations.html)

I imagine under these circumstances, a lot of the Chinese manufacturers may segue into that, leaving we "hot" vapers out in the cold.

 

[Pamdane]

We would just all do DIY and have vape meets to get homemade mods and trade flavors. Nic MIGHT become a pharmaceutical purchase with regulation like buying some of -phedrins for colds. Age or mg controllers. But they wont be able to ban or tax DIY. GV is sold in candy making for cake frosting, and VG is found at farm stores for cattle health(at 100% USP by the way). And flavorings and recipes abound.
So I am just not worried.
But thats just me. I'm stockpiling cartos. Just in case

 

[APD99]

Have-scientists-finally-created-safe-cigarette.html] Have scientists finally created a 'safe' cigarette?

But there are two crucial differences which BAT believes will set it apart and make it the first truly safe cigarette.
Principally, the nicotine dose will be higher. And second, BAT is in talks with the MHRA to have their devices licensed as an officially approved tobacco substitute.

So basically the only thing that makes these "safer" than our PV's is that there is more nicotine in them that in a PV and that they are licensed, not because they are tested, not because there is ample evidence but because we paid for a f---ing LICENSE. Hmmmmm...apparently hypocracy knows no bounds.

 

[Starspecks]

I'm really hoping that since they are pushing for our society to be smoke free while simultaneously making it clear peoples opinions of ......... is changing that the shift of texting will go from tobacco to .......... Not e liquid.

Sent from my Evo

 

[Raynen]

I don't think it'd be a ban, per se, versus a lot of new regulation. Obviously, the mom-and-pop juice vendors would go away, to be replaced by corporations that could meet the regulatory standards, quality controls, etc. They'd claim there is no consistent governance of quality with the homebrew-style type vendors. In addition, there's no taxation on juice the way ciggies are taxed. That'd change, and tax-happy states like New York would slap an instant $6 tax per 10ml.

Big tobacco might jump in, as this would be a revenue stream. They could make money even if their smoking customers stop the ciggies. Expect watered-down concentrations, dull flavors, and maybe the addition of other junk in their juices. The next stop would be to outsource, as it can be made cheaper, translating into higher profits.

Great - more stuff from China.

If they were actually able to LEGALLY shut down mom-and-pop joints, then I'd just DIY. If I am legally allowed to roll my own analogs and make beer and whatnot, I am DEFINITELY DIYing my juice.

Why would I trust a big corporation? I can count on my hands and toes how many lawyer commercials have been on to protect people from large pharmaceutical companies because he/she or a family member took some form of a drug that said company made, and is now very ill or dying. Oh, lovely, just the thing I want to see on TV as the corporate junkies are taking over. ....so these companies would want me to trust THEM when they can't even have a medicine without killing someone? I am so glad I never tried Chantix. No questions asked I probably would have died. So... if these companies want to run my vaping and supplies... I say fck off and make my own juice and get 3 box mods, as many atties as possible, and as many batteries as possible.

 

[Dwindacatcher]

Not that I think a ban would happen let's assume it all is.

PVs aren't hard to make so you make them. People used to make connectors before they were easily bought online. Attys are the hardest part, but you can make genisis attys. They look like a pain in the ... to make, but those that use them love them. All the liquid can be diy. Only problem might be nicotine. Not really sure where you could get that if a ban happens.