Wow! (not me - just wow to the many comments on my post!)
To LP - It's my opinion. Any and everyone can agree or disagree.
When I say, people on the street, I don't mean in the open with kiosks or 'street-as-in-homeless' persons. I mean dangerous people, hiding from the law. I don't know how else to word it and apologize for the limited word choice for a group that doesn't even exist.
There's the black market (totally illegal), the gray market (shady but accepted) and obviously, the legal market.
On either of the first two, you run the risk of being scammed, have no customer service or support so to me, it's ridiculous to fret and worry over things that offer nothing but risks that can hypothetically happen (knock off purses etc., never put the original designers out of business but ARE legally confiscated in bulk everyday) and/or panic about the economics which WOULD backfire on gov and big tobacco. The cost of e-cigs to start w/ exceeds analogs and as an electronic, I don't see as a likely target of either the black or gray market. I think the gray market will hit tobacco stores more and cost more for less w/ no warranties, no customer service or support and gray-market knock off's that won't have repeat business.
Again, it's my opinion, if the infighting amongst us, here, over all this nonsense keeps up, the gov will make it a pharmaceutical - no choice of flavs and no ongoing luxury - it will be used as a quit smoking aid, taxed to death and not covered by gov insurance as needed, if at all.
Like anything else, the public can push something great in the wrong direction simply by becoming too afraid of changes to think something through.
It likely won't happen for a long time and imho, any ongoing fights against it will, like the 1st ban, start in NY but, it would be a legal issue that I honestly don't think is going to have much of an effect on V4L, again because V4L doesn't use needles.
NJ? Didn't they legalize (the M word) there? (That's what I heard but don't know) And they're still going to NY for analogs when
vaping is on the legal market to save $4 to kill yourself? go-doh, NJ!
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These forums are about vaping not analogs and not drug culture things. I personally find more to learn and enjoy when the discussions are along those lines not those things which we can't control. I can only hope the gov has mercy on those of us trying to improve our lives. What we save on this does definitely go back into the system on things analogs made unaffordable. The math can work out in reverse with mercy also. (Schwartzeneggar found, set and supported the right bar to keep it peaceful & for a guy that smokes cigars, that's not only pretty incredible but likely the best decision of his political career!)
I hope he finds the cigar flav @ V4L. No comment on the flav. I hate cigars.
Just wanted to comment on this remark, because my friend told me something the other day that I find astounding. She went to 'the city', which for us New Jerseyans means Manhattan. As she was walking around Times Square she was approached by some of those 'people on the street' as you put it, which we're used to seeing, trying to sell drugs or knock-off designer bags. But these people were selling cigarettes. Regular packs and cartons of Marlboro, Camel, Parliament, etc. Her friends that she was with were not surprised, because they buy their cigarettes off 'trucks' in Jersey City and pay $4.00/pack instead of $8.00.
So I am just about 100% certain that if there ever was a ban on e-cigs, there would be quite a few black market places to go get your e-cig hook-up.
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when I read stuff that threatens my freedom to vape, affordably cause nothing else has helped me. V4L is a safe place for me. What ever else has to change, I hope that is not one of them. Again, just re-read the thread and others on the topic of bans - I'm far from alone on the topic.
