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I've worked toward my stash for two years and now consider it complete :) For me, my stash is a win-win situation. If that deeming order and restrictive regulations are forthcoming as the FDA has said they are I've personally got myself covered with all my vaping needs for years to come. If my concern over the regulations doesn't turn out to be needed then with retirement looming on the horizon I simply can enjoy my stash without needing to spend much money to continue to enjoy vaping for many years. There would be plenty of time between issuing the deeming order and actually putting regulations into effect to add to my stash anything that I consume and need to replace.


All things needed for vaping will never be difficult to obtain as some have so many other uses in our lives. For those that are good at modding and DIY, regulations to stop vaping will have little effect. Its all those people that still haven't switched to vaping and those that simply aren't good at modding or DIY nor have the means to stock pile if the need should actually become reality that will be hurt the most by restrictive regulation. :(
 

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My apologies for not reading this whole thread before replying. This is a topic that I was too excited about getting my 2 cents in to bother reading first. If others have made this same point I apologize.

The title asks us if we will stockpile if e-cigs are banned and I just have to point out that once they are banned it will be too late to stockpile. The time for stockpiling is now!

I've seen a couple responses saying things like "it won't happen in the USA", "the USA is different than other countries", etc. and to that I ask this....Are you blind?

Don't ever think that a ban won't happen in the USA. While there is a growing population of vapers, tobacco has BIG influence in our government! The big tobacco companies are NOT going to just sit back and watch their profits fall and they are not going to head to bankruptcy court without a fight. Right now I'm betting there aren't a lot of lobbiests in Washington who are fighting for our rights to vape. But I guarantee that the tobacco guys are there every day pushing for legislation.

We are a nation of the people, by the people and for the people and whether we like it or not, most of the people do not vape ar know anything about it. That huge majority of people (likely including many smokers/would be vapers) will be right there voting to take away our rights as soon as they read a few trumped up reports of the "hazards" of vaping. People in this country (and maybe people in general) are quick to panic and slow to educate themselves. All it takes is for a few keywords to be tossed into the media and our rights to vape will be taken so fast our cartos will spin. Does no one remember how 9/11/2001 was used to strip us of many of the rights our country's founders guaranteed us?

I will give you all a hint as to when a ban is on it's way. If you start hearing or reading in the media reports of people being hospitalized or sickened by e-cigs...that's a sure sign it's coming very soon (maybe within days). It won't matter the real circumstances behind the hospitalizations or sicknesses...whether the person afflicted got sick from trying to vape rubbing alcohol or some such thing....that will be a small part of the story or left out completely. All the general public will hear is that people (even if it's only one case, it will get rumored into many people) are getting sick or dying from e-cigs. The larger population will jump right on board with the ban hammer.

If you start seeing more reports of exploding e-cigs (regardless that they were mods made by idiots), te ban hammer is coming down soon. If you start seeing "studies" being done that find levels of (you name the) toxins,,,doesn't matter that it's trace levels that are acceptable for human consumtion or that cigarettes have 1,000 times the levels....the ban hammer is about to drop.

These are just a few of the things that tobacco companies will start ensuring get media coverage in an effort to start the panic train rolling. As soon as there is a level of panic among the majority of Americans (who aren't vapers and know better) we will start seeing legislation passed limiting our rights as educated vapers. We can only hope that it happens slowly in order to give us time to stockpile, many things I've seen in my life become outlawed for bogus reasons have had laws passed and bans handed down quite quickly indeed. First it starts with a couple states (probably New York will be first) and withing weeks/months it will be completely illegal.

Stand by and keep telling yourselves that America is different or that it won't happen here and then once it does you can talk about how we should have done more to keep it from happening. Please do not ever fool yourself into thinking that it won't happen here. Sure, we might well be the last civilized country to see it, but it most definitely can and will happen here...unless we start doing something NOW to stop it. Once the panic train starts rolling it will be way too late, right now is the time to start planning our strategy.

Oh...and another thing....simply talking about it on this forum or other boards where other vapers hang out isn't going to do anything to help. Talk to people that you know about vaping and how it's safer than cigarettes. Educate as many people as you can who aren't vapers because it's those people who will take your rights away. We don't need to convince each other, we all already know, it's the non-vapers who need to be educated. Ignorance = fear and fear leads to (the dark side...LOL) stupid laws. In my life I've seen many things with incredibly positive potential for humans become outlawed in this country by the ignorant majority of sheeple who were never affected one way or the other by the product they pushed to outlaw.

If you don't believe me, ask a psychiatrist how many substances with incredible potential for helping mankind he/she is unable to use on their patients because of an ignorant, panic stricken majority.
I know that this post is several months old, but I just wanted to say that it is completely wrong. No offense, just saying. Believe it or not, Big Tobacco is NOT our enemy in vaping! We need BT. Big Pharma/FDA is what we have to worry about. A lot of major Big Tobacco players understand the profits to gain from vaping and are all getting in on the action by forming their own ecig brands. We need them to go to bat for us because they're the only players big enough to fight back. Big Tobacco companies are investing A LOT of money in the vaping game, and surely won't just stand by while another possible source of revenue is shot down.

The problem with Big Pharma, is they are behind products like nicotine gum, patches, lozenges, etc. that simply DO NOT work for the majority of people. Now vaping comes along and it's every smokers dream(whether they realize it or not) and it stands to hurt Big Pharma's nicotine profits. With the level of funding Big Tobacco has, I in the next few years we may actually see some really cool things come out that your average vendor/mod maker wouldn't possibly even dream to be able to afford to make.
 
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I know that this post is several months old, but I just wanted to say that it is completely wrong. No offense, just saying. Believe it or not, Big Tobacco is NOT our enemy in vaping! We need BT. Big Pharma/FDA is what we have to worry about. A lot of major Big Tobacco players understand the profits to gain from vaping and are all getting in on the action by forming their own ecig brands. We need them to go to bat for us because they're the only players big enough to fight back. Big Tobacco companies are investing A LOT of money in the vaping game, and surely won't just stand by while another possible source of revenue is shot down.

The problem with Big Pharma, is they are behind products like nicotine gum, patches, lozenges, etc. that simply DO NOT work for the majority of people. Now vaping comes along and it's every smokers dream(whether they realize it or not) and it stands to hurt Big Pharma's nicotine profits. With the level of funding Big Tobacco has, I in the next few years we may actually see some really cool things come out that your average vendor/mod maker wouldn't possibly even dream to be able to afford to make.

Sounds arguments and it's hard to disagree with either points on this matter; however, I'm not ready to get in bed with either BT, Pharma, or FDA... they're all finagling to get the top spot in profiting from and/or squelching vaping.
 

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I've been keeping a 6 month supply of hardware and juice stockpiled for years.
Just makes me feel comfortable.

IF the FDA decides to play its childish control ego protect BP games ...
I'm OK ... I have a 6 month window to find the "work around".

I really wouldn't need 6 months ...
I would just log on to the ECF for the "work around"
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Petro, don't assume for a minute that if e-cigs were banned, the gubmint wouldn't block ECF and other e-cig forums, from us.
 

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would be interesting on how exactly they could ban Batteries, or a amaericans ability to buy nicotine liquid, or VG or PG...

i am pretty sure the clearomizers and similar would soon fall under some other category and people would just buy nic liquid in bulk and DIY their own liquids. but i cant imagine them being able to ban the sale of batteries or tanks too easily. now the stuff they sell in gas stations that is pre-filled may be a horse of a different color. I mean people sell water filtered smoking devices in shops claiming they're for tobacco use, and it skirts the law. i think the only person without a clue on what this really is would be Ronald McDonald, or maybe the cookie monster...considering they're fictional characters.

History tells us how well prohibition worked...Oh wait, it didn't...bathtub gin for everyone!
 

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Where? I don't see any phillip morris or winston-salem labels on e cig products? that would be interesting and horrifying at the same time. the big tobacco companies controlling e juice or hardware would be , almost as bad as smoking analogs. just throwing a number out here but im sure not less than 1/3 of the chemicals in analogs are there for the sole purpose of keeping you addicted. the rest are because they just dont care.

I know that this post is several months old, but I just wanted to say that it is completely wrong. No offense, just saying. Believe it or not, Big Tobacco is NOT our enemy in vaping! We need BT. Big Pharma/FDA is what we have to worry about. A lot of major Big Tobacco players understand the profits to gain from vaping and are all getting in on the action by forming their own ecig brands. We need them to go to bat for us because they're the only players big enough to fight back. Big Tobacco companies are investing A LOT of money in the vaping game, and surely won't just stand by while another possible source of revenue is shot down.

The problem with Big Pharma, is they are behind products like nicotine gum, patches, lozenges, etc. that simply DO NOT work for the majority of people. Now vaping comes along and it's every smokers dream(whether they realize it or not) and it stands to hurt Big Pharma's nicotine profits. With the level of funding Big Tobacco has, I in the next few years we may actually see some really cool things come out that your average vendor/mod maker wouldn't possibly even dream to be able to afford to make.
 

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Petro, don't assume for a minute that if e-cigs were banned, the gubmint wouldn't block ECF and other e-cig forums, from us.

I don't understand how it all works, but there are many forums out there for things that are illegal.

Where? I don't see any phillip morris or winston-salem labels on e cig products? that would be interesting and horrifying at the same time. the big tobacco companies controlling e juice or hardware would be , almost as bad as smoking analogs. just throwing a number out here but im sure not less than 1/3 of the chemicals in analogs are there for the sole purpose of keeping you addicted. the rest are because they just dont care.

Swisher has an ecig line. And I agree with you about BT ruining ecigs.

On topic: I am definitely going to be stocking up in the next few months. I already have enough juice to last me a year (if not more) but I do need to stock up on batts and hardware.
 

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There are harm reduction forums for drugs and even forums for drug users to converse freely. If e-cigs were banned this forum would revert back to it's roots and become a modding and DIY juice forum. If that were to happen, hundreds and thousands, droves of people would be completely lost and the #1 thing that would happen is all of the people reverting BACK to smoking. We cannot let that happen. I don't care how much technical knowledge you have, don't be selfish enough to let that happen. It will not happen. We MUST keep our machine shop made mods and small operation juice vendors safe. your favorite mod shop is at risk of losing everything. your favorite juice vendor is at risk of going bankrupt. and the hundreds of new vapers that join this forum and others like it monthly will have NO CLUE what to do in the event that e cigs go banned. If cig-alikes remain legal, thousands and thousands of new vapers with no knowledge of or desire to mod will be stuck with products that wont work for them, and they will go back to smoking cigarettes outright.

Like I said in the post that directed me to this one- KEEP THIS THREAD BUMPED!

we must make it common knowledge that we are under attack.
April is the Battle date. PLEASE make it a priority to stay informed. We are going to need help. Help in contacting our representatives and help fighting this war. If you cannot make it to washington DC in person, we are going to need foot soldiers spreading the word. That means going door to door, informing non vapers, getting petitions up and running. KEEP INFORMED. 1way 2do this is2 continue coming back2 AND BUMPING this thread & threads like it.

Here is a Link to a new thread concerning the FDA hearings http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...13-e-cigarettes-other-tobacco-products-5.html As always, continue visiting www.CASAA.org on a daily basis & Bump These Threads so other members will become active in this.
 
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I don't know. I think honestly if there was enough pressure I would just muster the will power to give it all up completely. I was going to move to Finland and snus is illegal/difficult to get there (what I used before vaping) and e-cigs seem to be in the same boat. I wouldn't stockpile. Just try to give up addictions.
 

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I just don't see giving up. Why should we go along like sheep? That is just what the FDA is counting on. I would much rather go down roaring than bleating! With organizations like CASAA already spearheading the charge, all we have to do is support them. If you have not sent your letter on the link on this site, do it now. I did it, it took about thirty minutes. Little things like this can make a big impact. We are certainly going to lose if we do not stand for our right to vape and make sure we make our voices heard!

Now if we fight the good fight and lose, well then there will be plenty of time to gather your willpower for quitting. For now, let us gather our strength for letting our opponents know they have a fight on their hands!
 

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Keep on bumpin peoples. Ordered a SB. Saving up for nic juice now.
The BOLT is a great CHEAP mod that is easily fixable.
It's buttons are easily found online, and once you have that its just a solder away from fixed.
important to note: Nic juice + 510 battery connections are the top of my list.
Those are what we're gonna be needing to stockpile.
 
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