If we're pushed underground by the FDA, what then?
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If they make it illegal I'm moving in with Bacwood's Don or Mr Jaguar. apparently they have a good supply
He already rented his spare room to me for that period of time...but you can pitch a tent in the Backwoods...he's clearing several lots out now with the skidder.....
I am completely new to vaping and have no idea if what I am about to say has any validity. So if it comes down to it, they won't be able to outlaw devices woud they? Wouldn't it be a matter of marketing them differently? If devices and accessories were still available then one would just need to stock up on crazy amounts of 100mg nic juice. If they don't outlaw nicotine free tobacco flavoring (food flavoring would be safe still) we would be able to mix said nic juice with our favorite flavoring and continue on. Again, if any of this is off base, let me know. Like I said, I have no idea about DIY...yet, but if it comes down to it I will start learning. I like vaping too much.
It will be hard for them to prevent the distribution of hardware. The most vulnerable part of e-cigs is the e-liquid. If there is over-regulation, many smaller, high quality liquid suppliers (such as Tasty Vapor) will probably vanish, leaving us with bigger, assembly line operators like Johnson Creek and, of course, the Chinese suppliers with their suck-a** spew.
Smokers are a nitch of society and vapers even less so. What better target then us? If they ban it, I'll go underground.
Thank you. If its only that they are seeking to change labeling and marketing that's not something I consider a problem because the products would still be available.
If its an outright ban I'm going to need some help! Its been 6 weeks of no cigarettes for me and I never want to go back. 
i hate to say this but if the big tobacco companies jump on board with ecigs im 99 percent sure that the fda would change there views
I am ok with making the labels uniform, with the necessary warnings accompanying Nicotine. It IS a poison, it IS used in pesticides, and it SHOULD be handled carefully. A lot of us don't know the origins of the juice we have purchased, I wouldn't mind seeing that as well. I am even ok with taxing it as needed.
What I know is this. Big Tobacco is scared. This could be the very first weapon of quitting that addictive death that is viable, workable, and potentially dangerous to their checkbooks.
What they should do is this. Jump on the dang train! They have gajillions of gallons of nicotine (pre-nastified with their toxic goo) and they would make a killing with this. They can certainly afford the fda testing and regulation passing required (they have already greased every palm in DC) and they have plenty of legislators and lobbyists in their employ already. They already have farmers growing tobacco for those folks who want to keep their flavor, and they can pay other farmers to convert their fields into fruits, herbs and other things to be used for making flavors with. Big Tobacco could be our biggest proponent, or our biggest enemy. It really all depends on how much money it would make them. Why not have ALL the market, a sustainable group of users instead of ones that keep dying on them all the time, suing them, and forcing them to pay billions to states for the upkeep of patients? I wonder, if any of them have ever done a cost analysis, or a proposal of what they could likely reap should they become a supplier of vaping supplies?
What I know is this. Big Tobacco is scared. This could be the very first weapon of quitting that addictive death that is viable, workable, and potentially dangerous to their checkbooks.
What they should do is this. Jump on the dang train! They have gajillions of gallons of nicotine (pre-nastified with their toxic goo) and they would make a killing with this. They can certainly afford the fda testing and regulation passing required (they have already greased every palm in DC) and they have plenty of legislators and lobbyists in their employ already. They already have farmers growing tobacco for those folks who want to keep their flavor, and they can pay other farmers to convert their fields into fruits, herbs and other things to be used for making flavors with. Big Tobacco could be our biggest proponent, or our biggest enemy. It really all depends on how much money it would make them. Why not have ALL the market, a sustainable group of users instead of ones that keep dying on them all the time, suing them, and forcing them to pay billions to states for the upkeep of patients? I wonder, if any of them have ever done a cost analysis, or a proposal of what they could likely reap should they become a supplier of vaping supplies?
I'm worried that BT or BP will create their own e-cig platform and get fast track FDA approval and market theirs while other (and current) manufacturers have to go thru endless red tape and costs for approval. Theirs will also probably be inferior and antiquated while others will be cutting edge.
If big tobacco does jump on, I'd jump off....cause they don't care about your health...only the almighty dollar. Here is a partial list of ingredients they put in smokes:
Ammonia: Household cleaner
Angelica root extract: Known to cause cancer in animals
Arsenic: Used in rat poisons
Benzene: Used in making dyes, synthetic rubber
Butane: Gas; used in lighter fluid
Carbon monoxide: Poisonous gas
Cadmium: Used in batteries
Cyanide: Deadly poison
DDT: A banned insecticide
Ethyl Furoate: Causes liver damage in animals
Lead: Poisonous in high doses
Formaldehiyde: Used to preserve dead specimens
Methoprene: Insecticide
Megastigmatrienone: Chemical naturally found in grapefruit juice
Maltitol: Sweetener for diabetics
Napthalene: Ingredient in mothballs
Methyl isocyanate: Its accidental release killed 2000 people in Bhopal, India in 1984
Polonium: Cancer-causing radioactive element
Would we really trust them with our e-juice? I for one woud NOT! I'd just have to learn to brew my own...tho I know it would not be as good as Backwoods Brew.
Ammonia: Household cleaner
Angelica root extract: Known to cause cancer in animals
Arsenic: Used in rat poisons
Benzene: Used in making dyes, synthetic rubber
Butane: Gas; used in lighter fluid
Carbon monoxide: Poisonous gas
Cadmium: Used in batteries
Cyanide: Deadly poison
DDT: A banned insecticide
Ethyl Furoate: Causes liver damage in animals
Lead: Poisonous in high doses
Formaldehiyde: Used to preserve dead specimens
Methoprene: Insecticide
Megastigmatrienone: Chemical naturally found in grapefruit juice
Maltitol: Sweetener for diabetics
Napthalene: Ingredient in mothballs
Methyl isocyanate: Its accidental release killed 2000 people in Bhopal, India in 1984
Polonium: Cancer-causing radioactive element
Would we really trust them with our e-juice? I for one woud NOT! I'd just have to learn to brew my own...tho I know it would not be as good as Backwoods Brew
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He already rented his spare room to me for that period of time...but you can pitch a tent in the Backwoods...he's clearing several lots out now with the skidder.....
Tent works for me. I got a few boy scout badges and 22 years in the army. I'll be fine.
hahahaah now that pot will eventually be legal here in calif, imagine dealers now walking around saying "nic juice... i got what you want, i got what youuu neeed" whachoo want, 24mg? I gots 36 fahya... " imagine it being cut with all sorts of garbage the same way other drugs are.
Seriously though, I would like to see some regulation; Ingredient labels for one. I don't trust anything consumable from china. As we've seen their stupid ... shortcuts from putting radiator fluid as a sweetener in tooth paste, lead/cadnium/arsenic on toys, tainted protien in dog food, etc I can only imagine what is in dekang. Having someone that can test purity might not be such a bad thing.
Seriously though, I would like to see some regulation; Ingredient labels for one. I don't trust anything consumable from china. As we've seen their stupid ... shortcuts from putting radiator fluid as a sweetener in tooth paste, lead/cadnium/arsenic on toys, tainted protien in dog food, etc I can only imagine what is in dekang. Having someone that can test purity might not be such a bad thing.
I thought we were going to have an enjoyable Chinese dinner this evening, but now I'll be thinking about your post with every bite. Thanks a lot!!
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Don't worry, radical. I'm sure that cat, errrr. I mean "chicken"... was local.
I thought we were going to have an enjoyable Chinese dinner this evening, but now I'll be thinking about your post with every bite. Thanks a lot!!
I personally would never trust big tobacco for anything !!
We did not know what they had added to our analogs and still don't know.
I learned how to make my own juice about one week after starting e cigs- and am stocking up on the hardware also. Do not know how to make mods yet- but thats my next step.
Trusting the FDA- government etc "for our own good"- not me. Learned that one a looong time ago.
Of course, I am an "old hippie"-lol !!
In my not-so humble opinion the FDA act as little more than drug pushers, pimps if you will, for the drug conglomerates of America. They no longer fill their brief, overstep their bounds regularly, and should be the subject of an oversight committee. They are not elected officials nor are they law makers - they are merely public servants and should act like it, and not try and force drug company agendas on a trusting public.
The recent rash of class actions against drugs (3 currently in the news) should be warning enough for any political party; a vote of no confidence in the FDA and its administration seems reasonable to me.
I would expect the federal govt to step in and class PV as tobacco products eventually with the taxation that involves to avoid loss of revenue from smokers moving away from cigarettes (or being moved away from them by bans taxes and switching to PV).
Edit: And I forgot to add: If it goes underground I guess I will too - being from a family of law enforcement and judiciary aside lol.
The recent rash of class actions against drugs (3 currently in the news) should be warning enough for any political party; a vote of no confidence in the FDA and its administration seems reasonable to me.
I would expect the federal govt to step in and class PV as tobacco products eventually with the taxation that involves to avoid loss of revenue from smokers moving away from cigarettes (or being moved away from them by bans taxes and switching to PV).
Edit: And I forgot to add: If it goes underground I guess I will too - being from a family of law enforcement and judiciary aside lol.
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