Illinois Bill to prohibit sale of PV's

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Slighter

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Illinois General Assembly - Bill Status for SB3174
This bill is before the House after already being passed in the Senate.The House is out today but returns tomorrow. I have called and left my contact info with my state Rep and was told I'd be called back tomorrow when he returns. I urge all other Illinois vapers to do the same. If you do not know who your House rep is use this link - District/Official Search Results.
 

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I live in IL, and if this passes I will simply have my stuff shipped over the border. What are they going to do, bust into my house Stazi style and take it from me? %&#@ them!

The good news is that the bill says NOTHING about possession - of course I have enough juice to have a small store, but that is besides the point. I will call if there is still time. I see now what happens when I don't check in here often enough. :mad:

They do not care about anything but their lost tax revenue. Well guess what? I'm not going back to paying it. They haven't gotten my cig tax money in years when I was smoking anyway, but that again is beside the point.

And as if the FDA should be trusted to deny or approve anything. Their say so means nothing to me. They're the same ones that allow water fluoridation and Viox. :sneaky:
 

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I live in IL, and if this passes I will simply have my stuff shipped over the border. What are they going to do, bust into my house Stazi style and take it from me? %&#@ them!

The good news is that the bill says NOTHING about possession - of course I have enough juice to have a small store, but that is besides the point. I will call if there is still time. I see now what happens when I don't check in here often enough. :mad:

They do not care about anything but their lost tax revenue. Well guess what? I'm not going back to paying it. They haven't gotten my cig tax money in years when I was smoking anyway, but that again is beside the point.

And as if the FDA should be trusted to deny or approve anything. Their say so means nothing to me. They're the same ones that allow water fluoridation and Viox. :sneaky:

This is for IL residents. Changing your shipping address does nothing(i thought of this already) your billing address still proves your an IL resident and it won't be sold to you. The only thing we can do is fight it by contacting our State Rep.
 

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I wrote Link. E-mail here:

I cannot believe you initiated this piece of legislation. I know the state is hurting for revenue, and you have all been enjoying raping the smokers for every red cent you can whilst making their lives Hell, but this is going too far. I smoked for 11 years, but last year I was able to quit using an electronic cigarette. While that is not the expressed purpose of the device, thousands of users across the country are doing the same. I am gradually reducing my nicotine levels, and will eventually enjoy inhilating nicotine free vapor.

Please keep in mind that the ultimate passage or failure of this bill will not result in my cessation of using this device. You didn't get my cigarette tax money in the last few years I was a smoker, and I am not going back to smoking, so you still will not get it. I will continue using my electronic cigarette in the state of Illinois whether you ban them being sold here or not; I will simply venture into Wisconsin to purchase them. I noted the bill does not ban possession, merely distribution. I thank you for this oversight.

Unfortunately, it is not so simple for some others here in Illinois. In this recession you will have cost several online vendors here in the state to have lost their businesses. I know you could care less, because you have a golden parachute I am all too certain. I hope you feel good about yourself. Perhaps you could vote yourself another raise?

I wonder how many people who may have tried an electronic cigarette, and subsequently extended their lives because of doing so, will now never have the chance?

Your Very Angry Constituent,
<My Real Name>

Bobbysox - There are plenty of ways around the billing address issue. Do you think vendors in 49 other states will comply overnight anyway?
 
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SB3174 - Amendment to the Tobacco Accessories and Smoking Herbs Control Act

Dear Governor Quinn,

I am writing to strongly urge you to veto this amendment if/when it comes to your desk. I have zero (0) opposition to requiring proof-of-age for the sale of nicotine containing products but am seriously disturbed by the rush to ban e-cigarettes/personal vaporizers/electronic nicotine inhalation equipment and supplies.

Allow me to provide a bit of background:
I began smoking when I was 17. I am now fast approaching 41. Over the 20+ years that I smoked combustible cigarettes, I tried multiple times using multiple FDA approved cessation products -- patches, gum, Wellbutrin, cold-turkey -- and _failed_ each and every time. The longest I was able to remain quit was a 2.5 year period that was motivated by my desire to provide a healthier role model for my child. The fact of the matter is, though, that I am one of the many people who utilize nicotine to address anxiety/depression and cognition issues. When I have an appropriate level of nicotine intake, I am more calm, have more patience, and am more able to think and communicate clearly ... without it I struggle.

Nicotine is a toxin, in sufficient concentration a dangerous one, but the same can be said for caffeine and alcohol. There are many, many things in this world that are dangerous to us as human beings. There is inherent danger in my getting in my car and driving to work every morning, but I still do it every day. There are necessary risks in the lives we lead, and it is our responsibility as adults to assess those risks and make necessary day-to-day decisions.

Please don't take my decision to embrace a potentially healthier alternative to combustion cigarettes away from me. I've followed the SE/NJOY vs. FDA case for a while now, and I want to take the time to ask that the 2009 FDA study's details be reviewed closely before blindly falling in line behind them. The FDA, in my honest opinion, is derelict in their stated mission in this particular case. They do not appear to be making decisions based upon concern for my health and that of other's using these devices. Apparently they are more concerned about control, the protection of Big Tobacco and Big Pharmaceutical interests, and the free flow of the sin-tax monies that have been placed upon the backs of smokers for years.

I realize that these devices have yet to be proven 'safe', but is the FDA definition of safe the appropriate one to use in this case? The more appropriate comparison to determine safety for the devices is one made to combustible cigarettes. This device provides an alternative to inhaling tar, carbon monoxide, and thousands of other hazardous chemicals. Yes, more testing needs to be done in both the short and long-term. Short terms tests regarding the composition of the vapor should be performed. Long term tests regarding the health effects should be performed. Is it necessary to force me back to smoking combustibles while these things occur? I say no; there is ample anecdotal evidence regarding the 'safety' of these devices, yet no one making these decisions seems to be exploring it. I understand that anecdotal evidence is no substitute for hard scientific study results. The fact is it doesn't have to be as there are studies out there that support this as a reasonable alternative to smoking combustibles (links can be found at CASAA.org)

Again, I support age restrictions on the sale of nicotine, and I fully support the application of a reasonable level of tax on the purchase of nicotine containing products. I do not support them being taxed to the level of combustibles specifically due to the supporting reasoning used when those taxes were implemented, which were related to the severely detrimental health effects of smoking combustibles. Tax, yes; sin tax, certainly not.

I realize that this has been quite long, and I thank you for hearing me out. The proposed ban contained in SB3174 seems a knee-jerk reaction that hasn't been fully investigated and should not be passed. I'm very disappointed that my senate representative voted in favor of this bill and that has cost him my vote in the next election; I will be in contact with my house representative as he happens to be on the committee reviewing this bill currently and will be making that point to him as well. I voted for both of them in the last election and will be making my determination regarding my votes for each of you in the next election based heavily on how this matter is handled. Please do the right thing.

Sincerely,
<Real Name here
>

Jan
 

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Looks like we really need that Appeals Court ruling now. State by State they are coming after the e-cig.


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I Agree, Sun, hopefully we can get the Govenor to NOT sign the bill, same as in California. I have my people reaching out to ex-Gov Jim Thompson, of Winston & Strawn, and get some adice, costly as it may be.

This is a true travisty of our rights, and downright silly already.

Steve
 
Where in this bill is it banning all sales? It looks like it's just banning for minors!

"Synopsis As Introduced
Amends the Tobacco Accessories and Smoking Herbs Control Act. Provides that a product containing or delivering nicotine intended or expected for human consumption, or any part of such a product, that is not a tobacco product shall not be distributed or sold in the State or to consumers in the State unless it has been approved or otherwise certified for legal sale by the United States Food and Drug Administration as a tobacco use cessation, harm reduction, or modified-risk product, or for other medical purposes, and is being marketed and sold solely for that approved purpose. Establishes penalties for violations.

Senate Committee Amendment No. 1
Provides that "tobacco product" is defined under the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act rather than Illinois law. Deletes reference to "modified-risk product"."

Here is the link:

Illinois General Assembly - Bill Status for SB3174
 
If your in Chicagoland area, here is Pat Quinn's (governor) number:
312-814-2121.


Perhaps someone should warn him of his actions. I mean if buying vape equiptment is banned in Illinois and people have to go back to smoking analogs, perhaps we should all sue the state of Illinois when we get cancer. It's 100% logically and legal. I mean, we started vaping to save our lives and now our lives may once again be at risk because they're not getting kick-backs from vape companies like they are from tobacco companies? Pretty hypocritical for illinois to ban secondhand smoke but then endorse cigarettes. If this bill passes I say vapors unite and bring this death rally to the public eye by contacting tv stations and newspapers in our area about how illinois would rather have its citizens have cancer as long as the politians get their money. This can be the biggest scandal since Betty.
 

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Keep in mind that Vapro4Life is headquartered in Illinois - this will affect a lot more than just Illinois residents.

CASAA and the Vaper's Coalition are working on this. We will have the address of the best people on the review committee to write and Vocalek and I are working on a couple form letters to print out, sign and mail.

Abusive letters will not help - it must be calm, rational and convincing. Please don't go off all half-cocked.

We will also need Illinois residents to help our contingency when they speak in front of the committee - we'll take care of everything, we just need our Illionois members to show up with their own stories and be prepared to tell them.
 
Keep in mind that Vapro4Life is headquartered in Illinois - this will affect a lot more than just Illinois residents.

CASAA and the Vaper's Coalition are working on this. We will have the address of the best people on the review committee to write and Vocalek and I are working on a couple form letters to print out, sign and mail.

Abusive letters will not help - it must be calm, rational and convincing. Please don't go off all half-cocked.

We will also need Illinois residents to help our contingency when they speak in front of the committee - we'll take care of everything, we just need our Illionois members to show up with their own stories and be prepared to tell them.

Just tell me what to do and I'm in. I'm no stranger to politics and speaking as I was an active member of MFA for many years.
 

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Just tell me what to do and I'm in. I'm no stranger to politics and speaking as I was an active member of MFA for many years.
Awesome! Please PM me your contact info and we'll contact you as soon as we know more!

(If you're not already a CASAA member, please join. That will help.)
 
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