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I'm a Christain, but I admit to crazy things in my book.

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I ask why not? Why could of Mary of been raped by a Roman solder? Why couldn't of Joseph of been the real father of Jesus, but filled with the spirit of God?

Why could of God planned it this way, and the story was just told this way(virgin birth) to make more people understand who he was?

Both Luke, and Matthews tell differ from what happened, and it is not talked about in the other gospels. Paul wrote in his letters that Jesus was Born from a woman but not from a virgin. You would think that Paul would pass that information down if it was so important like a virgin birth would be,.

Galatians 4:4
But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law,

Also in Romans it talks about Jesus being a seed from a man, not from God himself as it would be if he was born from a virgin birth.

Romans 1:1-4
Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated to the gospel of God 2 which He promised before through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures, 3 concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, 4 and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead.

Why not? I don't know why, you'll have to ask Jesus Himself when you meet Him someday.

I have a question of my own to ask you tho. Why are you so worried about who fathered Jesus? What difference does it make in your life? Is your salvation resting on that question being answered for you? If so, you're in trouble because every question you have is not going to be answered in this lifetime.

That is why faith is mentioned 528 times in the Bible! Yes, that many! If you don't have faith, you're not going to make it into God's Kingdom, so none of this is going to matter anyway.

You're focusing on the wrong things here. I have a question for God when I see Him too, "How in the world did you ever have the never ending patience to put up with the miserable lot of us?"
 

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I ask why not? Why could of Mary of been raped by a Roman solder? Why couldn't of Joseph of been the real father of Jesus, but filled with the spirit of God?

Why could of God planned it this way, and the story was just told this way(virgin birth) to make more people understand who he was?


Why? Because it would be a lie!! For something to have happened one way and told another "to make more people understand" would be lieing. A lie for whatever reason, is still a lie. Your inference is that God would plan and endorse that someone would lie in order to promote the truth of who Jesus is !!!! ????? :confused: :ohmy: I don't think so!
 

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DaMulta, You believe, but do you have faith in and follow God?

James 2:19 You do well, the demons also believe and shudder. (They know that and who God is, but do not trust or follow Him or walk in His ways. They shudder because they know and believe what is to become of them).
20 But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?

Brother true faith works a change in us that causes us to trust and follow God even though we don't fully understand Him or His ways. Wanting to know, It causes us to seek to understand, especially when things "don't seem to line up" or make sense. God does not want us to be ignorant, He wants us to seek the truth and claims that if we diligently seek it, then it will become known to us.

The world sees an angry, wrathful, murderous and hateful God in the Old Testament and refuse to believe; because they use this (false) truth as a lens to examine everything through. I.E. If God is real and He is all of those things then why would I want anything to do with Him?

A (true) Christian comes to know and remember that God is merciful, loving, full of grace and kindness, has our best interests in mind and actively works for and in our favor. They use these truths as the lens to examine through to understand God and the world.

So when we come to a difficult scripture instead of saying, "Wow God is an unfair jerk!" We instead say, "God is love and mercy, so... what is going on here and why did He do things this way?" It causes us to seek to understand. Failing to understand doesn't change God into a hateful, unfair, murderous God, it just means we don't understand yet.

Paul gives an example of why alot of "bad" things happened to the Jews of old when they were disobedient and unbelieving.

1 Cor 10:1-12
1 For I do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 and all ate the same spiritual food;
4 and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ.
5 Nevertheless, with most of them God was not well-pleased; for they were laid low in the wilderness.
6 Now these things happened as examples for us, that we should not crave evil things, as they also craved.
7 And do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written, " The people sat down to eat and drink, and stood up to play."
8 Nor let us act immorally, as some of them did, and twenty-three thousand fell in one day.
9 Nor let us try the Lord, as some of them did, and were destroyed by the serpents.
10 Nor grumble, as some of them did, and were destroyed by the destroyer.
11 Now these things happened to them as an example, and they were written for our instruction, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.
12 Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.
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This life on earth is the temporary illusion, what comes after is the lasting and real.

There are plenty of things in the Bible that are part of history, or what did happen. They are not necessarily an example of what should happen, but it is there so that we know God's heart on the matter.

You said that you believe in God. If God can create all that there is and is the author of life, then He most certainly can cause His chosen vessel to become pregnant by His spirit in order to carry Jesus to term and be born. We humans think of sex as the spark of life. It only takes God willing an egg in Mary's womb to spring to life, nothing dirty or filthy about it, and no sex involved in it.

I can go tit-for-tat on the examples you gave for the questions or doubt that you have but that is not what is needed.

When faith is added to your believe, that God is who He says He is; and you begin to trust in Him, and ask Him to reveal the truth to you; and seek to know Him... Then scripture is revealed to you in a way that is not possible without faith.

The apostles said Lord we believe, increase our faith.

Without faith it is impossible to please God. He teaches that He confounds the wise (hides the truth from the intelligent) and reveals wisdom to the young or simple.

Brother if you believe but also doubt, then ask God to increase your faith. James says that we don't have because we don't ask, or that we ask with the wrong motives so receive nothing.

The Bible teaches that God knew when and where to place each person in all of history. It teaches that Jesus has not lost even one of all those that the Father had entrusted to Him. It teaches that He doesn't want any to be lost but desires that all should come to a saving faith, (even though we know not all will). The evil that goes on in this world is part of our refinement and testing too. But don't think for a moment that someone somewhere could possibly die before "having a chance"... If there is a place in time on earth anywhere that a person can be saved then that is when and where he will be born and live out this temporary life. If there is no place or time that a person would ever be saved due to the hardness of their hearts, then does it really matter when and where they live? The worst that this life has to offer will be better than an eternity spent separated from God.

If a man tries to understand the Bible or God without faith then his understanding will always fall far short. Those of us who have faith and believe still only see through the glass dimly, we have to perpetually trust in God. He's worthy to be trusted is He not? One day we will see God as He is because we will be like Him (please don't read that as "we will be gods"), we will know as we are known when we are in our glorified bodies, not needing to ask God why but knowing because we will then be sharing His very mind and heart.
 

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Why? Because it would be a lie!! For something to have happened one way and told another "to make more people understand" would be lieing. A lie for whatever reason, is still a lie. Your inference is that God would plan and endorse that someone would lie in order to promote the truth of who Jesus is !!!! ????? :confused: :ohmy: I don't think so!
Like drinking poison? Are you up for taking the test? If fact he would be a virgin no matter if he came from the seed of David, because God's spirit filled Jesus....washing away the sin everyone is born into in this world. Which would make him a new virgin birth to normal men.

hod is what I posted weird? That's what the book says does it not. Why are there too different stories of the birth of Jesus? Is one of them lying?

Do you really believe the story of Babel?.....
 

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Here is a good article on Faith.

One time I felt the Lord give me a direct word on all of this years ago. This little one-liner came out of the blue one day. He said to me, “You’re only as strong as your faith.” And when He said “faith,” He was talking about my faith in Him, not my faith in my faith.

Read the rest here http://www.bible-knowledge.com/bible-verses-on-faith/
 

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God is the same today as He was yesterday and He will be the same tomorrow. Job asked/thought of some questions for God who in turn asked a few of His own. In essence God asked Job who he was to question or even ponder the actions of a sovereign God. Now for a little fun? You think the blood shed/atrocities of the OT were bad? In the words of Bachman Turner Overdrive...you ain't seen nothin' yet. God is immeasurably gracious but His wrath will be just as immeasurable. Will there be those crying out "oh how bad this is"? Will there be those crying it's unjust, unfair, ungodly? You betcha. Yes there were OT tragedies. God has His reasons and I am just a small but loved speck compared to His glory. If God says these were just and necessary then so be it. If God deems it necessary for it to happen again then so be it. And it will...it just a matter of choice....Do you wish to be the hammer or the nail.

Yes!!!! I say AMEN AMEN and AMEN!!!!
 

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Like drinking poison? Are you up for taking the test?
You mean test God like so many people wrongly do? I would say that understanding of that scripture is flawed, not the scripture itself. That poison comment was one in a list of things that Jesus' followers would do after Him. Look at the parsing code in the Greek and you will see that it does not say that all Christians will do all these things. They are representative of the types of things that will happen through some Christians. Paul was subsequently bitten by a snake but did not die or get ill. It is a grave mistake of the "name it and claim it" Christian mentality to think that they will do everything that they read about in the Bible (or everything that they claim in the name will come true).

A good example, some Christian's believe that all real Christian's speak in tongues and the ones that don't, aren't. Paul made it clear in Corinthians that tongues was one of the gifts but not all had it. All have gifts but not all have the same ones.

If fact he would be a virgin no matter if he came from the seed of David, because God's spirit filled Jesus....washing away the sin everyone is born into in this world. Which would make him a new virgin birth to normal men.
The sin nature is passed from human father to the child. Mary giving birth by the conception of the Holy Spirit is why Jesus did not inherit the fallen curse, he had no earthly father for it to be passed from. The virgin birth was literal and was foretold by Isaiah hundreds of years prior. Not just for show, there is reason that it had to be that way. Though Jesus had the Spirit of God, He did not have it in it's fullness until after He was baptized. When the fullness of the Spirit rested and remained on Him.

Why are there too different stories of the birth of Jesus? Is one of them lying?
Two perspectives told by two different people. Can you and me witness the same scene and tell it identically if we were both moved by the Spirit to write what we saw? We are two different people/mentalities, the retelling will be through our own personalities.

Do you really believe the story of Babel?.....
Not sure what this Q is about and I understand it's not directed at me but...

You bet I do! The problem is most people's understanding of what the story of the tower of Babel is saying to begin with.

It is taught in most every Christian Church that this is where all of the languages came from. I whole heartedly disagree.
Genesis 11:1 "And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech."...
Gen 11:7 "let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech." KJV

It is assumed by this story that this is where the languages came from. But it doesn't say that. Read the previous Chapter 10 in its entirety, it lists the tribes born from the three sons of Noah.
Verses 2-5 show 15 unique tribes with their own language from Japheth.
Verses 6-20 show more than 20 unique tribes with their own language from Ham.
Verses 21-31 show another 20+ unique tribes with their own language from Shem.

Then we get to Genesis 11:1 "Now the whole earth used the same language and the same words. NASU
The word "same" above is also translated as "common" in Hebrew, The earth used a common language... That one language (probably the one Adam spoke but we don't know) is the one that was rendered useless.

Why do most people not know this? Because you need to read it first and let's face it, Gen 10 is a boring read with all of those hard to pronounce names, just a long genealogy... skip to the next "readable" section and you have a story out of context.

The tower of Babel.
 

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THIS Christian does NOT divorce the OLD Testament GOD from the NEW Testament one! Every word in the HOLY BIBLE is the unerring WORD of GOD, which IS GOD, which became FLESH and walked among us, and He and HE ALONE is HOLY and Sovereign! He puts up KINGS and HE throws down KINGS.. He CREATES and HE destroys! Yes! HE is LOVE, but HE also is RIGHTEOUSNESS perfected and does not ALLOW unrepentant SIN to go unpunished. Like JOB I will declare to my undying breath, "Yet tho' He slay me, still will I trust Him!" All the 'New Age' Mumbo Jumbo and wily ways of the fallen Devil, LUCIFER shall not stand against the GOD who is above ALL GODS and whose NAME is above ALL names. I think it's time all of the Christians who are TRULY Christians stop debating what GOD has ordained and FINISHED. None of us can 'judge' Sin either, only GOD, who truly KNOWS Sin (in it's degrees) is worthy to judge it. The biggest problem I see in the World today is the Demi-Gods who question and exalt themselves, like Satan, above the most high GOD becoming GODS to themselves and become rabid in the face of Believers who will NOT bow down when affronted with their Questions to which only GOD can answer! Seek your questions from GOD, who is able (and willing!) to reveal the deeper mysteries of His word against which many seem to stumble, then use to cause unrest and dispute among the brethren. The 'purpose' for this disruption is to create a more than 50 percent negativity in Christians rendering them ineffectual for Christ's service. Follow the TEN COMMANDEMENTS and LIVE the teachings of CHRIST! Humble yourself and pray from your Heart and if you seek anything seek the HOLY SPIRIT and GOD will mete it according to HIS goodness and mercies.. according to HIS divine WILL. God 'sees' the beginning from the end.. He does not BEGIN a work HE will not complete and HE will not allow HIS WORD to return to Him void! He WILL accomplish what HE has purposed and the GATES OF HELL shall not prevail against it... even if HIS Ambassadors (the Christians) are unable to PROVE or validate Him because they're not studied in the WORD. Just because I can't EXPLAIN GOD or all that is in His word does not invalidate Him. If you can't HEAR what the Spirit is saying, it's only because you're under the curse of the Spirit that is in the World. "Father, in the name of Jesus, let us now bind the forces of darkness that ensue us daily and seek to disrupt so they may hinder our walk with you"
Light & Love to all who read my words. Let the discerning Spirit read & understand.
 

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He was talking about my faith in Him, not my faith in my faith.

LisaLisa, This is a short version of what put it into perspective for me (in part, a huge 1 on 1 with God was the main reason).

God's faith can cause universes to spring into being out of nothing.
God's faith creates life.
God's faith can control everything that is, simultaneously (talk about a multi-tasker).

Put your faith in the power and reality of God's faith. Trust God, that is faith. Knowing that even though we can't see, He does and is.

I have a lot fewer problems when I don't try to tell God what He should do on my behalf or what is best for me lol.
 

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THIS Christian does NOT divorce the OLD Testament GOD from the NEW Testament one! Every word in the HOLY BIBLE is the unerring WORD of GOD,

Amen sister! There is a whole new depth of understanding that comes when the whole of the Bible is understood as one. The old points to the new, the new to the old, they both point to the future. When God grants a view of the bigger picture it just makes you smile and praise Him.

Those who refuse to look at the old are missing out almost as much as those refusing to look at the new. It is one collective work with one collective theme.
 

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DaMulta, I just read through and now understand your Q on the two genealogies.

They both trace the lineage of Jesus from David. One ends up at his earthly father Joseph, and the other at His earthly mother Mary. One is a blood lineage through Mary qualifying Him as King and the other is a legal lineage through Joseph that qualifies Him as King. He would have only needed one or the other to assume the throne but God orchestrated that He held both.
 

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THIS Christian does NOT divorce the OLD Testament GOD from the NEW Testament one! Every word in the HOLY BIBLE is the unerring WORD of GOD, which IS GOD, which became FLESH and walked among us, and He and HE ALONE is HOLY and Sovereign! He puts up KINGS and HE throws down KINGS.. He CREATES and HE destroys! Yes! HE is LOVE, but HE also is RIGHTEOUSNESS perfected and does not ALLOW unrepentant SIN to go unpunished. Like JOB I will declare to my undying breath, "Yet tho' He slay me, still will I trust Him!" All the 'New Age' Mumbo Jumbo and wily ways of the fallen Devil, LUCIFER shall not stand against the GOD who is above ALL GODS and whose NAME is above ALL names. I think it's time all of the Christians who are TRULY Christians stop debating what GOD has ordained and FINISHED. None of us can 'judge' Sin either, only GOD, who truly KNOWS Sin (in it's degrees) is worthy to judge it. The biggest problem I see in the World today is the Demi-Gods who question and exalt themselves, like Satan, above the most high GOD becoming GODS to themselves and become rabid in the face of Believers who will NOT bow down when affronted with their Questions to which only GOD can answer! Seek your questions from GOD, who is able (and willing!) to reveal the deeper mysteries of His word against which many seem to stumble, then use to cause unrest and dispute among the brethren. The 'purpose' for this disruption is to create a more than 50 percent negativity in Christians rendering them ineffectual for Christ's service. Follow the TEN COMMANDEMENTS and LIVE the teachings of CHRIST! Humble yourself and pray from your Heart and if you seek anything seek the HOLY SPIRIT and GOD will mete it according to HIS goodness and mercies.. according to HIS divine WILL. God 'sees' the beginning from the end.. He does not BEGIN a work HE will not complete and HE will not allow HIS WORD to return to Him void! He WILL accomplish what HE has purposed and the GATES OF HELL shall not prevail against it... even if HIS Ambassadors (the Christians) are unable to PROVE or validate Him because they're not studied in the WORD. Just because I can't EXPLAIN GOD or all that is in His word does not invalidate Him. If you can't HEAR what the Spirit is saying, it's only because you're under the curse of the Spirit that is in the World. "Father, in the name of Jesus, let us now bind the forces of darkness that ensue us daily and seek to disrupt so they may hinder our walk with you"
Light & Love to all who read my words. Let the discerning Spirit read & understand.

AMEN sister! Blonde is on FIRE! I can feel it! :):):)
 

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LisaLisa, This is a short version of what put it into perspective for me (in part, a huge 1 on 1 with God was the main reason).

God's faith can cause universes to spring into being out of nothing.
God's faith creates life.
God's faith can control everything that is, simultaneously (talk about a multi-tasker).

Put your faith in the power and reality of God's faith. Trust God, that is faith. Knowing that even though we can't see, He does and is.

I have a lot fewer problems when I don't try to tell God what He should do on my behalf or what is best for me lol.

That's exactly right! Dang, people make this sooo complicated when it's so beautifully simple. Put your faith in Him and you will never be led astray.

Put your faith in man, or your own understanding, and you will fall flat on your face every time :) Prayer for guidance, faith and understanding is key! The Holy Spirit will give to all who humbly ask for the right reasons.

We are the created, not the creator. We can't demand that God answer to us, or answer every single unimportant question that we can think of. He and He alone is the King and the Judge of what is right and wrong.

If we ask in the spirit of trying to hold him accountable according to our own simple human understanding of justice, and try and find fault with Him, the understanding will not come.

But if we ask Him for knowledge, with pure humility, in the spirit of trying to draw closer to Him out of love, the understanding will come.

The heart condition of the seeker is the key, and God knows, He can't be fooled. :)
 

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Hallelujah! "NUN Thy word [is] a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path" - Psalm 119:05, "For these commands are a lamp, this teaching is a light, and the corrections of discipline are the way to life" - Proverbs 6:23, "But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: - 2 Cor 4:3, and last, but not least my Brethren; "But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away" Does anyone lack understanding? Seek wisdom? Let Him repent, call upon the NAME of JESUS and be saved and JESUS will LEAD you into ALL Truths & whom the SON sets FREE is FREE indeed! Hallelujah!!!!
 
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