I'm amazed...join CASAA

[AgentAnia]

Please do join CASAA, they're our voice.
It's free, but you do have a choice:
Simply sign up to join,
Or support them with coin.
Either way, our CASAA will rejoice!

 

[Grammie]

Back to the front, this gets buried to darn fast! We need members to help make our voice stronger! Come on people!

 

[Mowgli]

Back to the front, this gets buried to darn fast! We need members to help make our voice stronger! Come on people!

What she said

 

[DC2]

What she said

Back to the front?
Or we need more people to make our voice stronger?

Just wanting to clarify.

 

[Junquemail Contessa]

Not only did I join (see signature block! )...I posted information about CASAA on my local vape store's Facebook page. It's truly fantastic what CASAA is doing.

 

[Recycled Roadkill]

I joined CASAA!

 

[wv2win]

I haven't gotten any responses from anyone saying why they are not willing to join CASAA. So why isn't every active ECF member also a CASAA member???

 

[DC2]

It is a perplexing question...

 

[wv2win]

bump......................................

 

[The Dingo]

I haven't gotten any responses from anyone saying why they are not willing to join CASAA. So why isn't every active ECF member also a CASAA member???

I've been trying to think of some reasons why an ECF member would not be a member of CASAA. This is what I've come up with so far:

1) "I don't want them to have my address." If you've been vaping for more than a day and have ordered anything online, chances are fasttech, Discount Vapers, Mad Vapes, etc. not only have your address, but you trust them with your CREDIT CARD number, as well. Does anyone else see the flaw in that logic?

2) "I don't want to 'get involved.'" You don't have to 'get involved.' Of course, it'd be great if you do, but it is NOT required.

3) "I don't want to (or can't) donate any money." You don't have to donate. Of course, it'd be great if you do, but it is not required and I have NEVER been solicited for donations.

4) "I don't like free stuff." I'm sure there is a way to decline the cartos that are generously being given away. See reference to the giveaway thread above.

5) "I'm too self-involved to be worried about whether vaping is overly regulated and/or banned." Really? If you are really that self involved, I would think that would make you MORE worried about how banning/regulating ecigs will impact YOU. Be self-centered and sign up for CASAA so that legislation doesn't impose on YOUR privilege to vape.

6) "One more member isn't going to make a difference." Do you vote? "One person" rarely makes a difference when it comes to elections, so why bother voting? Or going to work or school? In your mind, one person can't make a difference, so why bother getting out of bed?

7) "I'm stubborn and don't like being forced or coerced to do anything." If you don't want to be forced to stop vaping, or if you don't want to be forced to vape unflavored 4mg juice, or if you don't want to be forced to pay a $20 copay for 1ml of juice, I'm guessing you'll find solace in the fact that you weren't FORCED to join CASAA.

Please feel free to add to the list of concerns. Maybe someone here can alleviate your concern(s).

 

[Robino1]

I'd like to expand on #6 just a bit.

Actually by joining CASAA you do matter more than in an election. 1 person DOES make a difference. This will probably be one of the few times one individual CAN make a difference. You do count, you do have a voice just by making the membership number greater.

CASAA is for YOU!

 

[wv2win]

I've been trying to think of some reasons why an ECF member would not be a member of CASAA. This is what I've come up with so far:

1) "I don't want them to have my address." If you've been vaping for more than a day and have ordered anything online, chances are Fasttech, Discount Vapers, Mad Vapes, etc. not only have your address, but you trust them with your CREDIT CARD number, as well. Does anyone else see the flaw in that logic?

2) "I don't want to 'get involved.'" You don't have to 'get involved.' Of course, it'd be great if you do, but it is NOT required.

3) "I don't want to (or can't) donate any money." You don't have to donate. Of course, it'd be great if you do, but it is not required and I have NEVER been solicited for donations.

4) "I don't like free stuff." I'm sure there is a way to decline the cartos that are generously being given away. See reference to the giveaway thread above.

5) "I'm too self-involved to be worried about whether vaping is overly regulated and/or banned." Really? If you are really that self involved, I would think that would make you MORE worried about how banning/regulating ecigs will impact YOU. Be self-centered and sign up for CASAA so that legislation doesn't impose on YOUR privilege to vape.

6) "One more member isn't going to make a difference." Do you vote? "One person" rarely makes a difference when it comes to elections, so why bother voting? Or going to work or school? In your mind, one person can't make a difference, so why bother getting out of bed?

7) "I'm stubborn and don't like being forced or coerced to do anything." If you don't want to be forced to stop vaping, or if you don't want to be forced to vape unflavored 4mg juice, or if you don't want to be forced to pay a $20 copay for 1ml of juice, I'm guessing you'll find solace in the fact that you weren't FORCED to join CASAA.

Please feel free to add to the list of concerns. Maybe someone here can alleviate your concern(s).

Excellent post!! You forgot: I'm too lazy (although that could be covered under being "self-absorbed").

 

[wolfie_beast]

I'm wondering if everybody's just too busy talking about mods and liquids etc. to have a clue what's about to (potentially) happen. I can't have my online ordering or my flavors taken away. My closest B&M shop is a joke of a vendor.

 

[Jman8]

Just say what is in your heart. Why have you joined CASAA?

Oops, my apologies. Had to come back and edit here at the top as I read this as "why have you not joined" which is clearly what the quote is not asking. I could've selected another on on this thread that did ask "why haven't you joined" but as this post is done, I'll just let this paragraph speak for my gaffe.

Will do. But before I do, I would just like to note that I've reviewed this entire thread, and your messages Robino1 are a pleasant to read. Some others are as well, and the rest are ones that I'm neutral on.

Short version of why I choose not to join CASAA is my perception of some of the message(s) that CASAA expresses and/or rallies support for.

I'm glad to go to CASAA website and cut/paste the messages that I either find questionable or take issue with. I would rather not do that here in this thread and would prefer to do it in PM with any (amount of) CASAA member(s). Not cause I'm shy about speaking on public forum, but because I'd rather not see threads closed / heavily moderated due to a possible heated discussion occurring.

I feel if I did join CASAA and was passionate about all things CASAA, I'd want particular messages to be changed. If I found those won't be changed due to what is perceived as my single solitary voice on the matter, it would be enough for me to leave CASAA. In a nutshell, perhaps it is better for CASAA if not all vapers, no matter how passionate they are about vaper rights, join CASAA.

 

[The Dingo]

Oops, my apologies. Had to come back and edit here at the top as I read this as "why have you not joined" which is clearly what the quote is not asking. I could've selected another on on this thread that did ask "why haven't you joined" but as this post is done, I'll just let this paragraph speak for my gaffe.

Will do. But before I do, I would just like to note that I've reviewed this entire thread, and your messages Robino1 are a pleasant to read. Some others are as well, and the rest are ones that I'm neutral on.

Short version of why I choose not to join CASAA is my perception of some of the message(s) that CASAA expresses and/or rallies support for.

I'm glad to go to CASAA website and cut/paste the messages that I either find questionable or take issue with. I would rather not do that here in this thread and would prefer to do it in PM with any (amount of) CASAA member(s). Not cause I'm shy about speaking on public forum, but because I'd rather not see threads closed / heavily moderated due to a possible heated discussion occurring.

I feel if I did join CASAA and was passionate about all things CASAA, I'd want particular messages to be changed. If I found those won't be changed due to what is perceived as my single solitary voice on the matter, it would be enough for me to leave CASAA. In a nutshell, perhaps it is better for CASAA if not all vapers, no matter how passionate they are about vaper rights, join CASAA.

Oops, my apologies. Had to come back and edit here at the top as I read this as "why have you not joined" which is clearly what the quote is not asking. I could've selected another on on this thread that did ask "why haven't you joined" but as this post is done, I'll just let this paragraph speak for my gaffe.

Will do. But before I do, I would just like to note that I've reviewed this entire thread, and your messages Robino1 are a pleasant to read. Some others are as well, and the rest are ones that I'm neutral on.

Short version of why I choose not to join CASAA is my perception of some of the message(s) that CASAA expresses and/or rallies support for.

I'm glad to go to CASAA website and cut/paste the messages that I either find questionable or take issue with. I would rather not do that here in this thread and would prefer to do it in PM with any (amount of) CASAA member(s). Not cause I'm shy about speaking on public forum, but because I'd rather not see threads closed / heavily moderated due to a possible heated discussion occurring.

I feel if I did join CASAA and was passionate about all things CASAA, I'd want particular messages to be changed. If I found those won't be changed due to what is perceived as my single solitary voice on the matter, it would be enough for me to leave CASAA. In a nutshell, perhaps it is better for CASAA if not all vapers, no matter how passionate they are about vaper rights, join CASAA.

OK. Now we're getting somewhere! Not everyone agrees with CASAA's mission (or, at least, parts of it). Without knowing the specifics, all I can say to that is maybe some changes could be made, if enough members agree to those changes. It may be naive of me to think that, but I do appreciate your post. I'm really not too concerned with which posts in this thread you find to be less than pleasant, but I'd be lying if I said you haven't piqued my curiosity as to what parts of CASAA's message you disagree with.

 

[Robino1]

I'm curious also. I'm trying to think of what would be objectionable, but I'm not coming up with anything.

 

[wv2win]

I'm curious also. I'm trying to think of what would be objectionable, but I'm not coming up with anything.

I agree, I can't think of anything, either. On the question of "heated discussions", I have found that if a member presents an issue and backs-up that issue with well researched and documented support, most members will see the comments in a positive light even if they don't agree with the position.

On the other hand, if a person just makes a "blanket" statement, such as for example (on a current hot topic): "the FDA is only trying to protect us and wants the best for us", when there is ample evidence to show otherwise, then the discussion will get "heated" quite quickly. I think it makes a significant difference depending on how well someone presents their position.

 

[wv2win]

Just an fyi, I just sent my Internist an email, due to the number of negative reporting lately on vaping. I provided him links to the Drexel University study, the Forbes article by Dr Gilbert Ross, Dr Michael Siegel's web site and CASAA. I knew he was already supportive but knowing how busy he was, thought it might be helpful. He responded today thanking me for the information and reiterating that he is a "strong" supporter of vaping and Harm Reduction and regularly recommends this alternative to his patients who smoke.

The more "front-line" doctors we have on our side, the better chance for a reasonable outcome, IMO.

 

[DC2]

Knowing Jman8 my first guess would be that he objects to pushing for bans against selling to minors.
He is also against anything that further demonizes smoking, but I think CASAA goes out of their way to avoid further demonization of smokers.

 

[kristin]

Today's official number of registered members: 7,412


CASAA benefits from simply having a large membership because it tells legislators, media, etc. that vocal vapers and THR supporters number in the thousands and aren't just a fringe group. So, while we need active members and donations, even just joining CASAA and doing nothing else is a "vote" for our cause and helps the fight. It shows that CASAA has a large backing and that impresses people. Just think if you heard of a group fighting for a cause how you would feel about that cause if the group had just 500 members or 100,000 members. Wouldn't a large membership in an advocacy group make you stop and think, "Hmmm...maybe there is something to what they are saying?"

"Just joining" also gets you on the CASAA email list so you are at least kept aware of what is going on around the country and in your area regarding legislation. Maybe you aren't in a position to do anything now, but who knows - you could be in the future.