I'm just wondering what the average vaper thinks of this?

[DC2]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...66627-must-see-video-why-ca-hates-vaping.html

We're all vapers here, and we all have a stake in these matters.
So it seems a relevant topic to discuss.


For those that don't generally click on videos (like me) please give this one a go.

It's not that long...
And there are naked women and hunky men.

Okay, not really.

 

[AndriaD]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...66627-must-see-video-why-ca-hates-vaping.html

We're all vapers here, and we all have a stake in these matters.
So it seems a relevant topic to discuss.


For those that don't generally click on videos (like me) please give this one a go.

It's not that long...
And there are naked women and hunky men.

Okay, not really.

I saw that a few minutes ago on twitter... and since i wholeheartedly approve, I promptly retweeted it.

Andria

 

[Topwater Elvis]

Completely agree, and as the video stated it isn't just California.

 

[EBates]

Yep, been there dun that.
And as I said before it's ALL ABOUT THE MONEY, POLITICIANS AND 'MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS' COULD GIVE A RATS AZZ ABOUT OUR HEALTH OR OUR KIDS! IT'S ALL FOR AND BY THE MONEY!

 

[NancyR]

I been saying that same thing in here for a while now, very few seemed to believe it or bother with it.

 

[Zealous]

I completely agree with this video. In fact, I've always believed the negative propaganda surrounding ecigarettes was fueled by the need of many states to keep people smoking so they could pay of their debt. California is one of many states that sold those bonds for lump sums.

 

[Asbestos4004]

Thanks for posting, DC....as with most things you post, I appreciate it. It's kind of been my argument all along...this is all about the money. I smoked 2pad for about 35 years and I'm not what would be considered a cloud chaser..... Yet, I find it pretty silly that people actually think cloud chasers or people who vape but never smoked are what's bringing all the pressure. Unless I missed the part in the video where they said "billions of dollars lost and an increase in annoying hipsters..."

 

[philoshop]

I think it's a terrific video DC2 that puts things in perspective! I've passed it along to a number of people.

Not too sure about the 'average' thing though: I've been described by some friends as a knuckle-dragging, gun-toting hairy midget. It's nice to have friends who care.

 

[CardinalWinds]

You might as well have asked "I wonder what the average kid thinks of Disney World."

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Watched it, pretty good video.

What is an average vaper?

 

[Semiretired]

Thanks DC. I had heard about parts of this, but now got to listen to the vid and it puts a better light on it...

 

[IgnorantCig]

I'm new to vaping, but it's clear to me what is going on. It's always been about the money.

The politicians and the government couldn't care less if people were literally dropping dead in the streets from smoking. They just want their income. It's all about grabbing and stealing as much money as they can get their dirty and rotten paws on.

The government has basically been doing everything wrong since the very beginning. First they taxed cigs so high that smuggling increased like crazy, and in my state, which has one of the highest cig taxes in the country, a good percentage of cigs now sold are illegal cigs, that have been smuggled in.

And now with more and more people vaping, it's pretty obvious to see that cig sales are only going to further decline in the coming years. If I were a big tobacco company, I'd be worried. If I were a state that relied heavily on cig taxes, I'd be worried.

To be honest with you, I am very glad that the states and the government are getting less money, because frankly speaking, those incompetent people do not deserve it. Let them go broke, that's not my problem at all.

They have been talking out of both sides of their mouths for too long now, and I don't believe that they want people to quit smoking cigs at all. The money is more important to them, that's the main thing that counts. What's a few dead bodies to them? Nothing.

And now that something else comes along that is far, far safer than cigs and what do these wonderful politicians want to do? They want to ban it of course and/or heavily tax it, so that as few people as possible will have access to it.

Being against vaping is downright evil.

 

[FlamingoTutu]

Thought it was fantastic. Most of us, or at least the ones the ones I “hang” with here have understood this for some time but trying to get other people to listen is quite a different proposition, especially non vapers. Let’s face it, it sounds a bit paranoid and conspiracy theorist to the uninitiated.

We can’t receive free TV here and refuse to pay a bundle just to get it. The few shows we keep up on we watch via the internet and have just started being bombarded with those horrific CA anti-vaping commercials—literally almost every commercial break. I went ballistic the first time I saw it, now my husband just looks like a scared puppy every time they come on.

I showed him the video last night and he got it. It’s not that I don’t think he did when I told him the first through fiftieth time, I think he’s just grateful to have it explained to him by some else and someone who doesn't have their teeth clenched during the lecture.

 

[Rizzyking]

Now if only we could get that on TV it might well start a debate no opponent of ecigs wants to have as we all know the only thing they have are lies and scaremongering and the public needs that hammered home and to realise they are being conned on the issue.

 

[philoshop]

Like I said on the other thread about this: It's about as clear as one could possibly make it.
Whether the 'average' voter/citizen will pay attention to the message is what really matters. Get it out to everyone you know, because it's not just about vaping and e-cigs.

 

[twgbonehead]

Sorry if this sounds like it's OT, but I really don't think it is. Please bear with me for a bit.

I remember when the US switched to unleaded gasoline. An extremely expensive move. Cars needed to change, pumps needed to be changed, gasoline formulations needed to change.
All of this to reduce the levels of lead in the environment (which IS harmful to children, particularly, but to adults as well). IIRC, catalytic converters also became required at the same time, to reduce airborne pollution from automobiles. Two BM players (the oil industry and the auto industry) both were forced to make major changes, in order for their products to be safer for the environment. This was not an easy fight, but it was the good fight, and we as a nation had the courage and strength to make it happen. Money did not override the health concerns.

(BTW, I emphasize "as a nation". I did absolutely nothing to push for unleaded gasoline; I wasn't even old enough to vote, never mind care!)

I remember (barely; I was quite young, but it was discussed much in my family) about the Civil Rights act. Our leaders took the stand that racism was not acceptable, despite acknowledging that "We just lost the South for a generation". (And whether or not that phrase was actually used, it was clearly the foreseen downside of the decision). Brave, forward-thinking, hard politics. Implemented because it was the right thing to do.

Not to mention the Sherman act, the Clayton act, etc. All these were laws that were passed to protect the public, in the face of extremely wealthy and powerful opponents, with major political clout.

Where has that spirit gone? That courage and conviction? Can anyone possibly imagine any of the above decisions actually happening today? EPA exempts BO from any disclosure or regulation for fracking........

Sorry, I know in the first line of this post I promised to bring this around to something relevant to the topic, but after going down this train of thought, I'm having a hard time getting back there. Perhaps what I'm trying to get to is that our elected officials used to be able to make unpopular decisions because of things they believed in; now government seems just to be a "one dollar one vote" thing. Whether it's BG, BP, BT, BO, it all boils down to the same thing: BM. (Except that it smells a lot worse than a real BM)

 

[EleanorR]

I think it's freaking brilliant! Really well researched and executed, too.

 

[Whitewolf2014]

Personally, I like it. It points out what I feel is the strongest motivation behind the alphabet soup agencies that are paid to preach their masters point of view. I might (very doubtful) do the same thing if my job security was threatened but my morals would get in the way if it would end up effecting as many people as what's on the horizon for us.

 

[DC2]

What is an average vaper?

People who frequent the General Vaping Discussion subforum, of course.

 

[cocacola31173]

Very interesting video! I even subscribed to catch whats to come. All I know is that Big Tobacco will never get another penny of mine. I always knew they wasn't worried about out health...only their wallets!