Just under 40k views...that's up from 25k early this afternoon. Not bad for 2 days. Needs to be 50x that...spread the word!
I'm just wondering what the average vaper thinks of this?
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Just under 40k views...that's up from 25k early this afternoon. Not bad for 2 days. Needs to be 50x that...spread the word!
At present I guess I would agree with you Robert. But it's not supposed to be that way, and It's worth the fight to keep that way from becoming normalized.
'They' don't have anything that we don't give them.
I had retweeted it earlier, but also just now posted it to my FB page. Dunno if anyone actually reads that, but maybe a bot does. 
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What the article didn't mention was that just weeks before the Eric Garner incident, the city administration dictated to the police department that they needed to crack down on the sale of untaxed cigarettes as it was costing the city too much lost tax dollars and the whole broken windows approach. The sale of illegally imported cigarettes (the ones without the proper NY tax stamps) had been going on for decades. When I was a kid I remember my dad buying cartons of cigarettes from people that would make the drive down to states like Virginia or North Carolina, where the price of a carton would be half the cost, on a regular basis and pick up cases of cigarettes and then drive them back up to NY to resell them. They could sell them for less than one with NY tax stamps and they could increase their profits. These were small time operations, so it's not like they were filling an 18-wheeler with cigarettes, but rather filling a car's trunk.
Not to mention that selling individual cigarettes are illegal as well (although that has been going on for decades too as many poor people may not be able to afford to buy a pack at a time, but can readily scrape together a dollar to buy one cigarette).
So once the who Eric Garner incident happened, the mayor's office quickly threw the police under the bus and tried to quietly squash the fact that it was their decision to crack down on illegal cigarette sales that contributed to what happened.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...66627-must-see-video-why-ca-hates-vaping.html
We're all vapers here, and we all have a stake in these matters.
So it seems a relevant topic to discuss.
For those that don't generally click on videos (like me) please give this one a go.
It's not that long...
And there are naked women and hunky men.
Okay, not really.
I think it's truthful. Many times more so than some of the drivel being pushed by the anti-vapers.
It's all about the bottom dollar. "They" could give a rat's behind about your health as long as they can squeeze every nickel out of your desiccated corpse.
Seems pretty dead on.
I agree with other posters. It's all about the money, and has nothing to do with saving anyone or making anyone healthier.
I agree with other posters. It's all about the money, and has nothing to do with saving anyone or making anyone healthier.
Above 70k views this morning! Bump to keep this thread on the first page. Keep on spreading!
I was just wondering...
Does the average vaper feel this is an effective message to use with the non-vaping public?
Does the average vaper think this is the most effective approach?
I'm still hoping that someday we hit on The Idea that makes a real difference.
Does the average vaper feel this is an effective message to use with the non-vaping public?
Does the average vaper think this is the most effective approach?
I'm still hoping that someday we hit on The Idea that makes a real difference.
Two things occur to me: one, I think it's an important message to give the public as a whole, since it is the tax dollars of the public as a whole that are being abused in such cavalier fashion, and regardless of anyone's opinion on e-cigs specifically, whether pro, con, or simply indifferent, no one who knows that their exorbitant taxes are being wasted so outrageously could be indifferent to that. And the thing about the tobacco bonds... I'm sorry but that is simply malfeasance, and needs to be indicted and prosecuted as such.
And two, it says this is chapter 1, so I'm hoping that chapter 2 will go into the same kind of chapter-and-verse about the REAL science so far determined about e-cigarette vapor, versus the manufactured 'science' the ANTZ have been so busily purveying, and exactly why, with all dollar signs included, those are so vastly different. And I'm hoping they call out glANTZ and co. BY NAME.
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And two, it says this is chapter 1, so I'm hoping that chapter 2 will go into the same kind of chapter-and-verse about the REAL science so far determined about e-cigarette vapor, versus the manufactured 'science' the ANTZ have been so busily purveying, and exactly why, with all dollar signs included, those are so vastly different. And I'm hoping they call out glANTZ and co. BY NAME.
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I say that cutting off the head of the snake is the best way to stop the flow of snake oil.
And that would pretty much be Stanton Glantz and Simon Chapman.
Feel free to add any other snakeheads to the list.
I've shared this and other recent videos on FB, linked on my website, and also send links with short messages to local radio talk show hosts with a very large audience. There's also a relevant Petition to stop tobacco-like regulations that needs to be signed by, like, everyone.
Bump back to the front page. It needs to be seen by as many people as possible!
I think that the solution could be commercials carefully worded.
I have no idea what it would cost to run a national commercial campaign. Crazy expensive I am sure.
However, It would be possible for us to advertise on a lesser scale. How hard would it be for many of us to take out ads in our local newspapers?
In just the classifieds.
Something like "learn the truth about e-cigs" With links to here or CASSA (with permission of course)
Maybe even one or both forums would be willing to set up a post with just the links of the truth for us to include to the ads?
IDK?? Just a thought.
I think The Idea is just visibility. We have to get out there and be seen. It would be great if we had a coordinated campaign of professionally produced really cool material displayed in every market. But classy videos like this distributed as widely as we can manage are a big step in the right direction. This video is pretty good. I hope they make more. We can't match the kind of operation BT can put together. But we have the advantage that we are selling the truth and they are stuck with putting lipstick on a particularly hideous pig. They have to spend a lot more money than us to overcome that burden.
I didn't bother reading all posts, just to give my "average" vaper opinion:
Why should ONE PORTION of the population pay for a huge portion of govt tax revenue? Why should even a huge portion of govt "tax" revenue come in from a small source????
I say it is a way to hide extra taxing for money that is spent "uselessly" just because the government is an inefficient way of managing things. Perhaps even because they are doing things with people's money that the people paying for those taxes would not approve! Shouldn't that alone raise the question of what is really called freedom???
My 2 cents only and that opinion does not necessarily represent the opinion of my internet provider (or ECF).
Why should ONE PORTION of the population pay for a huge portion of govt tax revenue? Why should even a huge portion of govt "tax" revenue come in from a small source????
I say it is a way to hide extra taxing for money that is spent "uselessly" just because the government is an inefficient way of managing things. Perhaps even because they are doing things with people's money that the people paying for those taxes would not approve! Shouldn't that alone raise the question of what is really called freedom???
My 2 cents only and that opinion does not necessarily represent the opinion of my internet provider (or ECF).
That's because people do not like paying taxes, so it has always been a lot easier to get people to accept taxes on the "other guy". Their attitude is as long as the taxes doesn't affect me, it's ok. And our government is trying to encourage class warfare, by wanting to raise taxes on the "rich" saying that they are not paying their fair share. They raise taxes on the "rich" by calling it a millionaire's tax, and yet what they classify as a "millionaire" is someone making more than $250,000 a year, which in many high cost of living areas like NYC, is decidedly middle class. Since only the top 5 percent of the country earns more than $250,000 a year, it is easy to get the general public to accept this since the higher tax wouldn't affect them at all. What's sad is they say that the "rich" doesn't pay their fair share of taxes. And yet they ignore the fact that the top 5 percent of income in the US pays over 50 percent of all income taxes collected, while the bottom 40 percent of income pays zero income tax (and this bottom 40 percent only counts the people who actually work and earns reportable income).
Back in 1990, the US government instituted a 10 percent luxury tax on the sale of boats, automobiles and jewelry over a certain amount. The problem was that they considered a luxury auto any car sold for more than $30,000. Nowadays, it's almost impossible to buy a new car for less than $30,000. The government let this tax expire in 2012.
The sin taxes like on alcohol and tobacco is an easy tax to get the public to accept. Their argument is that sin taxes are justified because alcohol and tobacco use leads to increased health costs later on. But what about other things that leads to increased health costs later on, like overeating or eating sugary and fattening foods? How many people in this country is obese and we all know that obesity has their own increased health costs down the road. And yet there is no obesity tax on fattening foods like Twinkies or candy bars. Groups like the ACLU have attacked such legislation because they say that such laws would be regressive and would hit the poor harder since they can't afford to buy all natural or organic foods.
And e-cigs are hitting the government hard in the pocketbook since there is no sin tax on it. In 2012, just the federal excise tax on cigarettes alone brought in $14 billion in tax revenue (and the federal tax is relatively low at just over $1 per pack). In 2013, the federal government collected just $13.5 billion. So in just one year there was a $500 million drop in tax revenue because less cigarettes are being sold.
A snippet of good publicity sometimes just sneaks through despite all the efforts of BT and their politicians.
Indiana TV has been a wasteland of bogus reports on the dangers of vaping ever since they started pushing the new legislation. But this morning there was a segment based on a report from some official health authority in the UK. It was titled, maybe ecigs aren't as dangerous to kids as previously thought. The research showed that although quite a lot of teens try ecigs, only around 1.4% continued to use them after trying them out. And almost all of those were also cigarette smokers.
Every little bit helps.
Indiana TV has been a wasteland of bogus reports on the dangers of vaping ever since they started pushing the new legislation. But this morning there was a segment based on a report from some official health authority in the UK. It was titled, maybe ecigs aren't as dangerous to kids as previously thought. The research showed that although quite a lot of teens try ecigs, only around 1.4% continued to use them after trying them out. And almost all of those were also cigarette smokers.
Every little bit helps.
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