Im on vacation overseas and people are giving me the evil eye

[Cooperant]

One of the things US cigarette companies have apparently started doing is lobbying anticigarette company’s as well though their connections with medical companies that sell patches. They want to kill e-cigarettes. They claim it’s just any e-cigarette that they don’t sell, but e-cigarettes remains disposable market for them. They’re fine if the whole thing dies. They want to sell cigarettes.

Farmaceutical concerns have inconceivable powers here too. They have an interest in seeing vaping fail, just like the cigarette companies.

European government is also decisively influenced by corporate entities, but less so than the US government. Their concerns are with tax incomes and health system costs. vaping guarantees the sale of highly taxed products without the health care costs.

That means that even if vaping regulation is driven in part by pharmaceutical concerns and tobacco companies, the government mediates some of this influence and also takes smoking cessation and pro vaping voices into consideration. The UK is a good example of a government capitalising on pharma and tobacco pounds while still ensuring future income streams and listening to medical research.

 

[ej1024]

I dont blow the clouds at the people, i blow them in the air in front of me like I usually do. Im not targeting anybody with my clouds and the people are not close enough by me to be affected by them.

I simply counter the ignorance and rudeness of certain people with my super sized clouds.

It is their perrogative to better educate themselves and adapt to a polite person such as myself, who is merely walking around and minding their own business.

And yes, I do value my independence of course.

DUDE..... how big is the SUPER SIZED CLOUDS?
Why do you have to blow super sized clouds in a foreign country? How’s the super sized clouds makes you feel while you’re walking around as an American?


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[stols001]

And yes, I do value my independence of course.

Well fair enough I suppose. I don't much care if people wander around vaping clouds as long as they are not AT people.

I guess I should ALSO point out that all those people giving you the evil eye are using THEIR independence as well. It cuts both ways.

Anna

 

[Cooperant]

They are also exercising their right to stare at the tourist with his oversized clouds

I don't know about Norway, but here the large, colourful mods that seem to be very common among the American posters in the shinyitis thread (now THERE is a representative sample of the US public) are not so well seen. In front of my very swanky office building - I say this without pride, it's an ergonomical, air conditioned death trap - you only see small mods and even the old cartomisers.

Tourists stand out, American or otherwise. People love to stare. After all, what does the person know. Maybe staring and pointing is polite here

 

[ohioguy]

My advice, when traveling in a another country, blend in.
I also recommend you never visit China.

 

[englishmick]

Tourists stand out, American or otherwise. People love to stare. After all, what does the person know. Maybe staring and pointing is polite here

When I was a kid just after the war international tourism was quite rare. Only Americans could afford to do it. They wore brightly colored clothes and talked loudly and carried huge cameras slung around their necks. We were too polite to stare but we had a laugh about it later.

 

[GOMuniEsq]

I think a what you're seeing is the general populace of otherwise apathetic and disinterested people being in opposition to any evolution of what they perceive to be tobacco products, which they assume are controlled by evil tobacco companies. So they're receptive to any negative tidings (confirmation bias) without feeling the need to dig for facts.

They are firmly in the smoking is bad camp. They have long envisioned smoking being progressively more strictly controlled and more heavily taxed until it just sort of withers away. They write off current smokers as insufficiently educated or hopelessly addicted, and heavily depend on youth education campaigns and attrition (deaths) to reduce smoker numbers until such a time as the practice disappears entirely.

Their mistake, we know, is equating vaping with smoking. But this explains why they are so irrationally spooked by the existence of an effective smoking alternative and anything to do with youth vaping—it threatens to spoil the long term vision of a "tobacco-free" society. It explains why the first laws they pass are always to expand the definition of smoking to include vaping.

So when you get "the look" from a random on the street, know that in her mind you are the one exploiting a loophole to undermine the noble effort of stamping out smoking. The most powerful messages she can hear are that vaping nicotine carries none of the risks of smoking cigarettes ("vaping is not smoking"), and that vaping is a grassroots community effort to escape from the grasp of Big Tobacco ("we hate the tobacco companies too").

Blowing a cloud of vape in her sour face, while undoubtedly satisfying, does not effectively convey either message, and will only harden her resolve that vapers deserve no consideration at all.

 

[United States]

So if a bunch of dummys vape ebola is that the e-cigs fault?

I vape. I'm proud of it. But whenever I see a person expelling a giant cloud my gut says "yikes, that can't be good for you". So it goes without saying that the ordinary non vaping person would not think "awe look at the cute little cumunibous that guy just exhaled" as nearby kids say "it looks like a rabbit" or "no it looks like a beagle".

Meanwhile that same society says I'm supposed to accept my neighbors 8 year old wanting to identify as a dragonfly as they protest school board meetings because the middle school doesn't have bathroom facilities to accomodate dragonflies. The whole thing is maddening sometimes.

 

[Janusz]

I dont blow the clouds at the people, i blow them in the air in front of me like I usually do. Im not targeting anybody with my clouds and the people are not close enough by me to be affected by them.

I simply counter the ignorance and rudeness of certain people with my super sized clouds.

It is their perrogative to better educate themselves and adapt to a polite person such as myself, who is merely walking around and minding their own business.

And yes, I do value my independence of course.

Countering the ignorance with super sized clouds is childish... and not very polite or effective.

 

[stols001]

Also NEVER visit Singapore and I mean NEVER. Your "American right to "independence" AND your right to vape will be stripped from you, RATHER quickly as they escort you to jail.

Oh hell, I'm just going to recommend like, touring the various areas of the United States from now on. You don't really have cultural competence OR the willingness to acquire it, seemingly.

Also, it is possible they are staring at you because they find you shockingly UGLY from what I hear about the area, they are probably viewing you as a hobbity hobgoblin who wants to be a dragon or something.

Talk to the locals. Find out. Get a translator. LOL.

Anna

 

[United States]

If people had better educated themselves way back when, Nepoleon, Hitler and Castro would've never achieved ultimate power. Truth was available but the masses believed the hype.

Waiting for the public to educate itself is like waiting on a flat tire to re-inflate itself. Not gonna happen.

Like GO said, a society truely thought smoking tobacco was nearly extinct and those Juul's came along and ruined it. Yet that same society seems to be ok with the nation as a whole walking around all doped up from latin lettuce… provided it's in the brownies or butter form. Meanwhile cigar smoking executives smile as their ultimate goal of sociatal containment is within eyesight. And those uneductates masses ignore the truth as history nears repeating itself, only this time by a one world government.

Not trying to go all AlexJones here, but I try to educate those around me without shouting from the mountain top. A few here and a few there from each of us probably won't stop the stupidity. But at least the opportunity exists and it's certainly better than doing nothing.

 

[Monsignore]

[emoji2357]

Credidi me pulchrum felem vidisse...

 

[bombastinator]

If people had better educated themselves way back when, Nepoleon, Hitler and Castro would've never achieved ultimate power. Truth was available but the masses believed the hype.

. That I think is because hype is specifically designed to be easily believable. You can literally take college classes on how to do it.
It’s called “marketing”.
Lincoln once said something like “you can fool all of the people some of the time or some of the people all of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time”
This is still true. “Time” is a vague term in this case though. There are cases where companies have hidden fatality causing flaws in their products for fifty years or more, and that was only pertinent because they had been selling that same product for all those fifty years. Most products have a much shorter life.
The lesson I personally take from Lincoln’s words is you can tell a whopper of a lie that will only hold for a short time as long as the time it needs to hold is shorter than the time you can hold it.
I’ve seen this practiced a great deal in business and politics throughout the world.
This is one reason a slow acting government is something of an advantage. It makes lying harder because the lies have to hold for longer.

Waiting for the public to educate itself is like waiting on a flat tire to re-inflate itself. Not gonna happen.

. Not never. It can easily take a long time though, and it is never instant. This is one of the larger and more famous holes in pure capitalism. It presumes instant and ubiquitous correct information. There is lag. And that is where all the money is made and the evil is done.

Like GO said, a society truly thought smoking tobacco was nearly extinct and those Juul's came along and ruined it.

that particular “society” was wrong. Smoking rates amongst new smokers (tobacco only) had remained more or less constant for many years. They only started to drop again after the introduction of e-cigarettes.

Yet that same society seems to be ok with the nation as a whole walking around all doped up from latin lettuce…

Well obviously not completely or e-cigarettes wouldn’t be having the problems it is having because of it’s forced association with such

provided it's in the brownies or butter form. Meanwhile cigar smoking executives smile as their ultimate goal of sociatal containment is within eyesight. And those uneductates masses ignore the truth as history nears repeating itself, only this time by a one world government.

lolwut? “One world government”? The USA and UK don’t even have a one nation government at the moment. The various failed attempts at international cooperation usually happen because of fantastically destructive wars. Whole world affecting events demand whole world cooperation. “The war Great War” created one body which failed. WW2 and the advent of nuclear weapons created a second body, the UN, which is famously ineffective and has extremely limited powers. It gets less effective over time rather than more effective. The whole concept of “it is better to destroy the world than allow cooperation between governments” you seem to be advocating strike me personally as a recipe for disaster.

Not trying to go all AlexJones

had to look up this Alex Jones person. He is apparently a USA based hard right conspiracy theorist. Very extreme. Generally there is a “but” coming after a sentence like that though
Alex Jones - Wikipedia

here, but

And there it is

I try to educate those around me without shouting from the mountain top. A few here and a few there from each of us probably won't stop the stupidity. But at least the opportunity exists and it's certainly better than doing nothing.

That basically says to me that you are in agreement with this Alex Jones persons actual beliefs but attempt a softer sell yourself. The problem the man’s detractors seem to have with him is not the marketing style, it’s that the beliefs themselves are garbage.

 

[Tabac man]

Life was better before the hype.

 

[bombastinator]

[emoji2357]

Credidi me pulchrum felem vidisse...

Yandex translates this from Latin as “Believe me, beautiful cat seen”

Machine language translation is famous for sucking. I suspect this one is worse than usual though

 

[englishmick]

. That I think is because hype is specifically designed to be easily believable. You can literally take college classes on how to do it.
It’s called “marketing”.
Lincoln once said something like “you can fool all of the people some of the time or some of the people all of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time”
This is still true. “Time” is a vague term in this case though. There are cases where companies have hidden fatality causing flaws in their products for fifty years or more, and that was only pertinent because they had been selling that same product for all those fifty years. Most products have a much shorter life.
The lesson I personally take from Lincoln’s words is you can tell a whopper of a lie that will only hold for a short time as long as the time it needs to hold is shorter than the time you can hold it.
I’ve seen this practiced a great deal in business and politics throughout the world.
This is one reason a slow acting government is something of an advantage. It makes lying harder because the lies have to hold for longer.
. Not never. It can easily take a long time though, and it is never instant. This is one of the larger and more famous holes in pure capitalism. It presumes instant and ubiquitous correct information. There is lag. And that is where all the money is made and the evil is done.
that particular “society” was wrong. Smoking rates amongst new smokers (tobacco only) had remained more or less constant for many years. They only started to drop again after the introduction of e-cigarettes.
Well obviously not completely or e-cigarettes wouldn’t be having the problems it is having because of it’s forced association with such
lolwut? “One world government”? The USA and UK don’t even have a one nation government at the moment. The various failed attempts at international cooperation usually happen because of fantastically destructive wars. Whole world affecting events demand whole world cooperation. “The war Great War” created one body which failed. WW2 and the advent of nuclear weapons created a second body, the UN, which is famously ineffective and has extremely limited powers. It gets less effective over time rather than more effective. The whole concept of “it is better to destroy the world than allow cooperation between governments” you seem to be advocating strike me personally as a recipe for disaster.
had to look up this Alex Jones person. He is apparently a USA based hard right conspiracy theorist. Very extreme. Generally there is a “but” coming after a sentence like that though
Alex Jones - Wikipedia

And there it is

That basically says to me that you are in agreement with this Alex Jones persons actual beliefs but attempt a softer sell yourself. The problem the man’s detractors seem to have with him is not the marketing style, it’s that the beliefs themselves are garbage.

We used to all have access to mostly the same information, even if we drew different conclusions from it. That's not true any more. If we want we can get all our information from Alec Jones et al and not have to deal with reality at all. So people can spread garbage about vaping and if the only sources we go to parrot that garbage we will have no reason to doubt it.

It's fashionable in some circles to knock the mainstream media, but the alternatives are actually far worse.

 

[HigherStateD]

Yandex translates this from Latin as “Believe me, beautiful cat seen”

Machine language translation is famous for sucking. I suspect this one is worse than usual though

And I tawt I taw a pudty tat....

 

[bombastinator]

We used to all have access to mostly the same information, even if we drew different conclusions from it. That's not true any more. If we want we can get all our information from Alec Jones et al and not have to deal with reality at all. So people can spread garbage about vaping and if the only sources we go to parrot that garbage we will have no reason to doubt it.

It's fashionable in some circles to knock the mainstream media, but the alternatives are actually far worse.

I agree though the right has correctly pointed out the imperfections of that same media. The problem is that the offered alternative seems to be in general much worse rather than better.
Nothing can be completely trusted. The oath system various societies ran under since the 1930s since the last time we had this same problem with Willam Randolph Hearst wasn’t perfect, but it was better than what we got now. Murdoch et al destroyed it in the 80’s and 90’s though so something else has to be devised.

 

[Marper]

I stealth vape in the UK as its getting frowned upon to vape, most pubs or public houses let's people vape only if it's a small mtl device, now I like my dead rabbit, my mesh pro ect using 70 vg,but no chance when out, the press, tobacco companies and governments have decided to get together and say its making kids smoke, it's giving you untold lung problems ect,win,win but lose for us vapers who make their own choices and their own e liquid, I know what's in my juice, I hate the way it's going

 

[englishmick]

I agree though the right has correctly pointed out the imperfections of that same media. The problem is that the offered alternative seems to be in general much worse rather than better.
Nothing can be completely trusted. The oath system various societies ran under since the 1930s since the last time we had this same problem with Willam Randolph Hearst wasn’t perfect, but it was better than what we got now. Murdoch et al destroyed it in the 80’s and 90’s though so something else has to be devised.

I think you can get a fairly good picture of the world as long as you maintain a bit of skepticism and avoid only reading from sources you already agree with.

It's like science. Much of scientific research has been captured by the corporations, but often people respond by rejecting any science that challenges their beliefs.