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I'm planning to get my first Mech mod. Recommendations and a final safety check please.

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  1. Popular_

    Popular_ Full Member

    Aug 16, 2019
    So what i'm currently looking at is the Mage Mech V2 Stacked edition. I know this is a hybrid mech so id like to know a guess at how much i need the insulated connector to protrude to properly make contact. Finally its my understanding that with mechs you build the coils to limit the batteries. So with 2 25A batteries. I'd need a Resistance of .15 to not push The batteries too far correct?
     
  2. Popular_

    Popular_ Full Member

    Aug 16, 2019
    It seems like the general consensus is to build at around .3 Ohm for a decent vape, but .15 is where the batteries start to fail correct?
     
  3. Baditude

    Baditude ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Apr 8, 2012
    Ridgeway, Ohio
    I get a great vape with a 0.6 ohm resistance on a mech. You don't need to go lower than that, especially since you're just beginning, to get a "decent vape".

    Make sure your battery's amp rating is accurate. Many companies list the pulse discharge rating on the wrap. Use only the "continuous discharge rating". Mooch has a list of batteries he has bench tested for amp rating accuracy.
    Complete list and links for all my battery and charger tests
    Mooch's Recommended Batteries


    Do you have an accurate way to measure coil resistance? Either a regulated mod or an ohm reader?

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    Something good to know is the difference between a "Hard" 510 pin and a "Floating" 510 pin on an atomizer.

    With a hard 510 pin, the center pin in the atomizer can not move, it is fixed. So the amount that the 510 pin extends out beyond the 510 threads never changes. This is a good thing.

    With a floating 510 pin, the 510 pin is being pushed out by the coil head or RBA section in the atomizer. So if the coil head or RBA section is not screwed down completely, or if there is any variance in the length of the coil head or RBA section, it can cause the 510 pin to not extend the full amount from 510 threads of the atomizer. This could be a very bad thing.

    Last thing. Some atomizers have "adjustable" 510 pins. This is a very nice feature, but can also be a serious problem for someone using a Faux Hybrid connection if the 510 pin on the atomizer works itself back from screwing and unscrewing the atomizer On/Off. If someone is using an atomizer with an adjustable 510 pin, the length that it extends from the 510 threads should be checked EVERY time that the atomizer is screwed onto a Faux Hybrid connection.

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    Advise you to read the following:

    A Beginner's Guide to Your First Mechanical Mod

    Explain it to the Dumb Noob: Ohm's Law Calculations for a Mechanical Mod

    Battery Basics for Mods: The Definative Battery Guide for Vaping

    Good luck and always vape safe.
     
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  4. Popular_

    Popular_ Full Member

    Aug 16, 2019
    Thanks very much for the reply, I'm planning to get an Ohm reader before I buy the mech as my current regulated mod's seems to be a bit inaccurate.
    It seems my RDA does have a sufficient pin, but it can be unscrewed meaning its technically a "Floating" pin meaning I need to ensure its properly torqued down when installing it. Correct?
     
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  5. Baditude

    Baditude ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Apr 8, 2012
    Ridgeway, Ohio
    Make sure the pin will not move, and check its length each time you remove it from your mod.
     
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  6. Popular_

    Popular_ Full Member

    Aug 16, 2019
    Yea i'm thinking that at the very least it will be a while before i even get it. I'm still making sure i'm well versed in safety and making sure i'm doing every thing I can to be safe.

    Any recommendations for a different mod? One that you would recommend as a solid first Mech?
     
  7. Baditude

    Baditude ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Apr 8, 2012
    Ridgeway, Ohio
    Sorry, I reread the link I posted and that was not a hybrid mech which exploded.

    I don't have any recommendations. I stopped using mechs a couple of years ago. I get a much better vape with a regulated variable wattage mod, plus they have more protections than a mech can offer. Plus, with a variable wattage mod I can adjust my vape "on the fly"; can't do that with mech.
     
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  8. Don29palms

    Don29palms Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Sep 12, 2014
    joshua tree, ca
    You REALLY need to understand what you are getting into and learn Ohms law. You aren't even close with the resistance you need. A .16ohm resistance will draw 52.5 amps. You need a .34ohm or higher resistance to be okay with real 25amp cdr batteries.
    LEARN AND KNOW OHMS LAW BEFORE YOU HURT YOURSELF OR OTHERS!
     
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  9. Popular_

    Popular_ Full Member

    Aug 16, 2019
    Yea I realized i did my math really wrong i accidentally thought the 20A CDR doubled with the series. It does not Im still a month or two off getting so i'm going to spend plenty of time making sure i know everything in and out.
     
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  10. Skunk!

    Skunk! Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jan 25, 2014
    Las Vegas
    A stacked or series mech will put out 8.4V on a full charge. You will want to build a lot higher with those than you would a single cell mech mod.
     
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  11. Skunk!

    Skunk! Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jan 25, 2014
    Las Vegas
    Amperage doubles in parallel voltage doubles in series.
    Example with .16 build on a series mechanical.
    20190816_165255.jpg IMO a stacked mech isn't a good device to learn on. Many that use them build around 1 ohm or even higher.
     
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  12. vaper1960

    vaper1960 Vaping Master

    Apr 24, 2019
    California, US
    Great thread! I'm not into mechs, but still very interested in the general info (like about the 510 connector... might explain issues I've been having with one of my tank/mod combination, and my DRA has removable pin that seems to come unscrewed)
     
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  13. Popular_

    Popular_ Full Member

    Aug 16, 2019
    Yea i'm only getting the Mage Mech so, I don't need to buy a new mod if i want to try a Stacked mod im planning to run it primarily in single for a while. Probably going to buy or build some coils that will hopefully ohm out to around .35-.45 when I get it.
     
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  14. Don29palms

    Don29palms Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Sep 12, 2014
    joshua tree, ca
    I have a Mage v2 stacker. I like it. I use Samsung 30T batteries in it. It can be a good mech mod for a first mech BUT I would recommend using it in single battery mode to start with. To the OP, what RDA are you using? You're going to need a 25mm with a good size deck. Series coils are twice as long.
     
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  15. Popular_

    Popular_ Full Member

    Aug 16, 2019
    My current Rda Is the VV phobia its a 24MM and i've had no trouble getting it to ohm out to where I want it for when ill be running it for a single bat. Ill probably be upgrading to a 25mm RDA when i decide i absolutely need more vapor. Any Recommendations?
     
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  16. greek mule

    greek mule Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 2, 2018
    Athens,Greece
    What resistance are you planning to use at single battery configuration?
    What battery?
     
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  17. Don29palms

    Don29palms Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Sep 12, 2014
    joshua tree, ca
    I use 3 different RDAs on mine. Carnage is my first choice. Apocalypse is my second choice and Goon 1.5 is the last one I use. If you watch the sales you can get an Apocalypse for a good price. I just recently picked up a copper Apocalypse on sale for $15.
     
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  18. Popular_

    Popular_ Full Member

    Aug 16, 2019
    I'll be using a Sony VTC5A 18650. Lowest ill go is .2 probably going to start around .3

    The reason behind the 18650 even though it can take a larger battery is that my charger cant take a battery that size
     
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  19. Popular_

    Popular_ Full Member

    Aug 16, 2019
    Ill make sure to start keeping my eyes out thanks!
     
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  20. Skunk!

    Skunk! Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jan 25, 2014
    Las Vegas
    Cool. Dodn't want to have you get a nasty surprise of 400+ Watts. I would stick with the single cell for a while until you get some experience under your belt. Series mechs especially are for the experienced.
    I usually build at .22 to .25.
     
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