Help me decide a mech mod please.

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Hell, take em outta the charger and put em in your mod. I've never let batteries rest & never had a problem in 5 years of vaping.
I will be sure to check the condition of the battery wraps when they arrive.
If a charged battery sits unused full charge at 4.2v for a few day would it still keep charge?
 

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Hell, take em outta the charger and put em in your mod. I've never let batteries rest & never had a problem in 5 years of vaping.
I got a nemesis clone but I will check out the ones you mentioned.
By chance would you know if a .6 voltage drop is normal on a .5 ohm dual coil?


If I change the button to magnets would that help the drop or should I just look into brass or copper mods?
 

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One thing you need to be mindfull of is that the 18650 battery is basically a negative can, and the cylinder of the can has the battery wrapper around it; that wrapper is not a real insulator, but in bottom fired mechs you are banking on that wrapper to act as an insulator, otherwise your mod will autofire continuously.

In fact I happen to have so far two batteries just standing there (i'm watching them now) unused - one for months and the other for weeks, because they have damage visible on the wrapper; in both cases it looks like they've been sliced (one sliced at the top and one sliced at the bottom) presumably from the mod threads while screwing the mod together; the nemesis threads are pretty fine: m20x0.5 so I believe that's the reason


Look very carefully at the bottom tube where the vent holes were drilled thru. So far, 3 of the last 3 I've looked at had burr's left in them from the drilling process. Too fix, remove the lock ring and run a small file thru the holes till the burr disappears visually and them check with your pinky from the inside.......It should all be smooth like silk.
 

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If I change the button to magnets would that help the drop or should I just look into brass or copper mods?

I would ultimately just look into a full copper mod, especially since prices are dropping. Or a box mod since mods like the IPV D2 are under 50$ and perform amazingly!
 

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I got a nemesis clone but I will check out the ones you mentioned.
By chance would you know if a .6 voltage drop is normal on a .5 ohm dual coil?

You need to understand the math of voltage dividers in a DC circuit. The lower the resistance of your coil, the more pronounced the voltage drop is going to be across your mod.

Let's ignore the battery's internal impedance just for the sake of easier math.

Let's say your mech has a 0.1 ohm resistance from top to bottom. That's a constant, no matter what atty you stick on it. That 0.1 ohm is in series with your coil.

Let's plug in your 1.0 ohm coil on it. The voltage drop across your mod will be 4.2 * (0.1/(0.1+1.0)) = 0.38v.

Now let's put your 0.5 ohm coil on it. Vdrop = 4.2 * (0.1/(0.1+0.5)) = 0.7v.

Now let's take it to 0.3 ohm, closer to where most of us mech-heads live... 4.2 * (0.1/(0.1+0.3)) = 1.05v.

You see where this is going?

The more you sub-ohm, the better job you need to do to keep things clean and conductive. Getting some Ox-Gard will help keep things nice and reliable. I've had several Nemy's, and with all those stacked tubes, this mod benefits greatly from putting Ox-Gard in all those threads... especially around that dreaded rice-pin. :p
 
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You need to understand the math of voltage dividers in a DC circuit. The lower the resistance of your coil, the more pronounced the voltage drop is going to be across your mod.

Let's ignore the battery's internal impedance just for the sake of easier math.

Let's say your mech has a 0.1 ohm resistance from top to bottom. That's a constant, no matter what atty you stick on it. That 0.1 ohm is in series with your coil.

Let's plug in your 1.0 ohm coil on it. The voltage drop across your mod will be 4.2 * (0.1/(0.1+1.0)) = 0.38v.

Now let's put your 0.5 ohm coil on it. Vdrop = 4.2 * (0.1/(0.1+0.5)) = 0.7v.

Now let's take it to 0.3 ohm, closer to where most of us mech-heads live... 4.2 * (0.1/(0.1+0.3)) = 1.05v.

You see where this is going?

The more you sub-ohm, the better job you need to do to keep things clean and conductive. Getting some Ox-Gard will help keep things nice and reliable. I've had several Nemy's, and with all those stacked tubes, this mod benefits greatly from putting Ox-Gard in all those threads... especially around that dreaded rice-pin. :p

Thanks!
So what I'm understanding is actually a .7 voltage drop is more than likely just the battery load from a .5 ohm dual coil and I'm not wasting volts due to poor conduction.
 
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Thanks!
So what I'm understanding is actually a .7 voltage drop is more than likely just the battery load from a .5 ohm dual coil and I'm not wasting volts due to poor conduction.


Those numbers will really frustrate you.
They are far less important than a satisfying vape.
 

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You're seeing the sum of both.

Ok well I'm gonna get a copper nemesis and see if that helps any. I'm just wondering by the sum of both do you mean the battery load from a .5 ohm AND poor conduction or is most of it from the load of .5 ohm coils?
If it helps any I tried a 1 ohm coil and only had a .2 voltage drop. Is it just battery load or am I missing something.
 

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Ok well I'm gonna get a copper nemesis and see if that helps any. I'm just wondering by the sum of both do you mean the battery load from a .5 ohm AND poor conduction or is most of it from the load of .5 ohm coils?
If it helps any I tried a 1 ohm coil and only had a .2 voltage drop. Is it just battery load or am I missing something.
Sorry, I mean the internal voltage drop of your battery, which you can't do anything about except to use quality batteries, and the voltage drop across your mod, which you can do something about by keeping it clean.

Copper is great when you keep it clean, but high-current across bare metal contacts will oxidize faster with copper. I'll say the words "Ox-Gard" one last time. You'll just have to experience for yourself the frustration of a quickly degrading vape without it. :)
 
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Sorry, I mean the internal voltage drop of your battery, which you can't do anything about except to use quality batteries, and the voltage drop across your mod, which you can do something about by keeping it clean.

Copper is great when you keep it clean, but high-current across bare metal contacts will oxidize faster with copper. I'll say the words "Ox-Gard" one last time. You'll just have to experience for yourself the frustration of a quickly degrading vape without it. :)

I will get some ox-gard lol. Just doesn't seem like grease would help with voltage drop but I have been wrong many times.
Is it ok to put the oxgard on firing button and top cap pin?
 

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Ok everyone just thought I'd let you know that the nemesis is working good with a derringer 26 gauge dual coil at .5ohm. My voltage on a fresh battery is right at 4.2v but when I put.the derringer with the build I mentioned then the voltage drop goes to 3.6v... I was like no way..that's a lot of voltage drop or battery sag! So I slapped my kayfun on it with a 1 ohm build and it dropped only .1 from 4.08 to 3.96 so I don't know what to think here.

Is a .6 voltage drop on a .5 ohm dual coil normal??
Well I just tested it again and there was only a .4 voltage drop..
So is .4-.6 voltage drop normal on a sub ohm dual coil??
Here is a volt test on my kingpin
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Under load
At .24 ohm testing agen when my Silver contacts come in


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I use ketchup or Taco Bell hot sauce for my copper and brass contacts.

Adam I have a copper Nemesis myself and it's the hardest hitting mech I own. (Pegasus is a close second.) But be gentle with it. The lock ring threading on the Nemesis is very fine, and I imagine it would be easy to inadvertently death grip it and ruin it since copper is so soft.

I use my SS Nemesis is a banger, but when I'm using my copper one, I'm lounging at home and babying it. I won't even take it into non-carpeted rooms LOL.
 
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I use ketchup or Taco Bell hot sauce for my copper and brass contacts.

Adam I have a copper Nemesis myself and it's the hardest hitting mech I own. (Pegasus is a close second.) But be gentle with it. The lock ring threading on the Nemesis is very fine, and I imagine it would be easy to inadvertently death grip it and ruin it since copper is so soft.


I use my SS Nemesis is a banger, but when I'm using my copper one, I'm lounging at home and babying it. I won't even take it into non-carpeted rooms LOL.

Lmfao! Hot sauce! That's awesome. I am not buying the whole oxgard idea tbh I'm getting a .3 drop on a .3 ohm dual coil so that's good enough for me. I also use a SS nemesis and it hits hard. I might grab a copper one just for the hit factor ;).
Lol hot sauce
 
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