I'm the "Devil's Advocate" to e-Cigarettes

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Greetings billbeckusa,
You've obviously detected some non-benificial vibes from me. I don't know whether to say I'm sorry or to say that I feel like I was lied to.
Although I'm only 26 days into vaping.... not much has changed. My cravings for a real cigarette have NOT subsided. I'm also NOT happy with the so-called tobacco extract flavors I've invested in. This thread is simply to INFORM.... that's all. I feel that it is only right to let POTENTIAL vapers know what's in store. Information is empowering. Deception is never a good path. You are quite observant bilbeckusa, and because of that, I think you know this thread will be most helpful (amongst other threads)....

Honestly, I'm not sure whether to recommend upping the nic or reducing it. Let's say that your cravings have not gone away. It could be that you're not getting enough nic. I don't admit this too often, but I had to vape 36 mg/ml the first week or two with about 10mils a day to overcome my 3 PAD, 35 year, American Spirit Black addiction. I needed really good clearos and really strong adjustable voltage batteries. I tried in 2009 with cigalikes and went back to smoking. Tried again in 2011, with little 650 batts and a cartridge atomizer, couldn't make it and returned to smoking. Enter 2013, trying to quit again. Heave nic, powerful batts, great clearos. Somehow, I was able to do it. I literally still can't believe it and it's been 6 months now. I chain vape at 24 mg/ml, but just this morning dropped to a new batch at 18 mgs. I'm feelin' it too. I was wondering about that feeling, and just now, I figured it out. I've cut my darn nic. That's it.

Now, is there something about this story that you can relate to or not?

 

[Nermal]

You got it, Hipster. Vaping might well keep the craving from forming, but once it does, it is not going to give immediate satisfaction. That is why I still burn two cigarettes first thing in the morning. Maybe I always will.

 

[retired_sailor]

WARNING;
If you lack self controll and self restraint your vape budget will end up being bigger then your grocery bill.

WARNING;
in order to save yourself money...INVESTIGATE BEFORE YOU INVEST...YOUR IGNORANCE IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY

Day 82 tobacco free...3 eGos...8 clearos...1 MOD!!!!

 

[TwentyYrsPlusSmokr]

Greetings Borescoped,

Information.....
This thread is INTENDED for POTENTIAL vapers. People who "might" think that vaping will solve their problems.
This thread is NOT about my own experience. It's about warning POTENTIAL vapers of what MIGHT be in store for them. That's All ....
I'm NOT looking for attention. I'm NOT looking for pity. Because I feel like I was lied to....this is my (own) reason for starting this thread. To be honest.... these devices should've NEVER been called "E-Cigarettes" .... they should've been called "Flavor-Inhalers"

....based on almost EVERY opinion stated here..... it could "never" replicate or come close to a real cigarette.... so WHY compare it to one !?!?! I'm not angry.... I just want people to be aware and make intelligent choices.... maybe better choices.....

 

[jefsview]

Your mileage may vary.

 

[crxess]

1) Do not expect switching to be like changing Brands - Vaping is NOT Smoking
2) Avoid Impulse buying - Research, ask questions and wait for enough answers to draw a valid conclusion
3) Never Take anyone's recommendation on Favorite flavors as gospel. Taste is very subjective
4) Take time to become comfortable with your choices, few things give instant gratification
5) Don't try saving a buck by buying the cheapest but also remember you do not have to have the most expensive
6) Last but Most important - KNOW and Remind yourself every day - why you decided to switch.

ETA - Crap, barely finished and posted and I think I smell a troll.

Let me just say this. You choose what to do in life, no one else needs to choose for you. Make your decision and live with it.

I never said, let me switch, it's just like smoking. I researched as I convened myself if I didn't succeed in quitting this time I might be dead in a few years. I don't even touch anything that is supposed to be a tobacco flavor anymore.
Oh, and I'm 60 and smoked for 45+ years

 

[retired_sailor]

1) do not expect switching to be like changing brands - vaping is not smoking
2) avoid impulse buying - research, ask questions and wait for enough answers to draw a valid conclusion
3) never take anyone's recommendation on favorite flavors as gospel. Taste is very subjective
4) take time to become comfortable with your choices, few things give instant gratification
5) don't try saving a buck by buying the cheapest but also remember you do not have to have the most expensive
6) last but most important - know and remind yourself every day - why you decided to switch.

#5 saves lives...and limbs...knock off kill!!!

 

[retired_sailor]

WARNING;
you will be buying more paper towels then you thought humanly possible...invest in Bounty stock

 

[TwentyYrsPlusSmokr]

Greetings,

C'Mon People ! ! ! EVERYTHING has Pros and Cons. Vaping or e-Cigarettes are no exception.
If I were a potential vaper...... what would you WARN me about ? ?
If I were a cigarette smoker or cigar smoker or pipe smoker or snuffer.... what would you warn me about IN ADVANCE ! (that means PRIOR to investing in e-Cigarettes)

That's All ..... seriously . . . . . . that's all. Please DO NOT make this about me..... frankly, that's too late.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Greetings Borescoped,

Information.....
This thread is INTENDED for POTENTIAL vapers. People who "might" think that vaping will solve their problems.
This thread is NOT about my own experience. It's about warning POTENTIAL vapers of what MIGHT be in store for them. That's All ....
I'm NOT looking for attention. I'm NOT looking for pity. Because I feel like I was lied to....this is my (own) reason for starting this thread. To be honest.... these devices should've NEVER been called "E-Cigarettes" .... they should've been called "Flavor-Inhalers"

....based on almost EVERY opinion stated here..... it could "never" replicate or come close to a real cigarette.... so WHY compare it to one !?!?! I'm not angry.... I just want people to be aware and make intelligent choices.... maybe better choices.....

You sound angry and bitter, I'm sorry to say. This message will certainly not stand the test of time as you have presented it. And we already know how to help others, and this is not the way. That being said, I find your point of view very interesting. I think we all well understand in time, that we're not getting the nice dopamine/serotonin dump that we got from smoking. Vaping is a different mechanism of action. I think your post may speak to, in part, this difference. Vaping is not smoking. I've also seen some pretty good advice on the thread for you. Since vaping is not smoking, think about quitting smoking and replacing it with vaping. Don't vape tobacco juice, vape something else, something you like, that doesn't remind you of what you're missing not smoking. Vape with a good amount of nicotine. In time, your body will adjust to the different mechanism and will achieve a certain homeostasis for you. Until then, it might suck a little bit. Quitting smoking not only sucks, it may be the hardest thing any of us ever does. Also, it's not just the nic. The other 599 additives are there. more the 100 of them are there to enhance the uptake of nicotine. Together, they make it even more addictive. You can beat this thing and learn to enjoy it because thousands have done it before you. I think you would make a very good advocate explaining to newcomers how the difference in vaping and smoking requires adjustments, that there are differences, that this "substitution" is possible. To do that, you just have to keep vaping, and, in time, your message will soften to a very positive one. Your message is not incorrect, it's just perhaps ineffective and unhelpful, and leaves out the why, the when, the how, etc. Assuming you're on the level about this, and I'm not sure of it at this point, I wish you well in your VapeQuest and hope this turns for you and becomes something you can get behind. Best to you.

 

[crxess]

Greetings,

C'Mon People ! ! ! EVERYTHING has Pros and Cons. Vaping or e-Cigarettes are no exception.
If I were a potential vaper...... what would you WARN me about ? ?
If I were a cigarette smoker or cigar smoker or pipe smoker or snuffer.... what would you warn me about IN ADVANCE ! (that means PRIOR to investing in e-Cigarettes)


That's All ..... seriously . . . . . . that's all. Please DO NOT make this about me..... frankly, that's too late.

Sorry, you made this about you. You say you were Lied to. Well, it is up to YOU to learn to Verify FACT.
We go through this enough with Government leading people around by the Nose. Time for a reality check. No one will ever care as much about you as YOU. Be fair to yourself and KNOW before Doing.

 

[jefsview]

Some folk do need something more: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-liquid-discussion/230570-wta-e-liquid-issues.html

For most of us, it does work.

 

[Lombaowski]

Is English your first language?

 

[BlueMoods]

Warning: As a new vaper, you have a lot to learn. Do your research before purchasing this product.

As for what that entials, one of the things you will learn is that e-cigs do not satisfy cravings in the same way analogs did and, yes, you probably will want a real cigarette now and then at first. You can adjust your nicotine level. (I had to go 46mg at first, 24 is fine now and, sometimes even 0 is okay if I'm stressed and chain vaping just to be vaping.)

The trick that worked for me is to remind myself of all the things I was avoiding and improving by not smoking and, removing analogs and ashtrays from my home and car. (the one in the car is back now, makes a good change compartment.)

I dropped analogs the first week and spent much of that week cleaning the residue and smell out of my home. I was not about to undo all that work. I hate the smell of bleach and, for a few days, my house reeked of it - had to to get the tar stains out and off of everything, and had to buy new curtains, new living room set and, a new bed to remove all of the smell of cigarettes.( home was still under construction so there was no carpeting then, thankfully.)

Think about that before you go and light up - it isn't worth what it makes a mess of when vaping is clean and, once you learn, just as convenient as smoking ever was.

 

[Borescoped]

Greetings,

C'Mon People ! ! ! EVERYTHING has Pros and Cons. Vaping or e-Cigarettes are no exception.
If I were a potential vaper...... what would you WARN me about ? ?
If I were a cigarette smoker or cigar smoker or pipe smoker or snuffer.... what would you warn me about IN ADVANCE ! (that means PRIOR to investing in e-Cigarettes)

That's All ..... seriously . . . . . . that's all. Please DO NOT make this about me..... frankly, that's too late.

I seriously doubt that aside from comments you've already read about above about credit card abuse, overdripping onto your shirt, spending WAY too much time on these forums, spending WAY too much money buying the next, new, shiny things out on the market.... that you will find anyone here, on ECF, that has anything to warn you about. You are asking for negative stuff, perhaps along the lines of "Oh, it's BAD for you.... OOOOoooOOOoooo" Not gonna find it here, aside from trolls.

Also, if you do post here, there is always the potential for it to become about you. Rejoice though! Those of us asking questions about your gear/juice/experiences only do so to try to help, not something to get up in arms about.

Speaking of better choices... what would you have folks do? Go back to analogs? Chantix, with the weird dreams, potential mental issues? Patches/gums? If you have something better than ecigs, please share that knowledge with everyone here, many of us would be interested, probably cheaper for us too.

Honestly, this thread feels..... trollish.

 

[pamdis]

The best warning I got was from this forum before I bought anything. I heeded this advice and I'm glad I did, so I pass it on to anyone who asks: "Do not start with tobacco flavored juice, you will be disappointed".

 

[TwentyYrsPlusSmokr]

Greetings,

Y'Know.... I actually thought that maybe (just maybe).... I wasn't the only one who thought or felt this way.

I guess I was wrong.

Thank You for calling this thread TROLLISH (Borescoped). That's all I'm looking for.....
Honesty..... in however raw form it may come.

 

[pamdis]

Regardless of WHY you started this thread, I actually think it was a good idea. Everything has pros and cons, and well-informed people make better decisions. Having been warned and then coming up against those problems would tend to make someone more likely to hang in there thinking, 'Well, they told me this would happen, so I'm not gonna give up"

 

[klynnn]

If everything you get in your first attempt at vaping works perfectly and the juices satisfy you-you will be one of the lucky ones. Usually it takes a bit of time and experimentation to find the devices, especially juice delivery devices and juices that work best for you. It is more of a process that can take a couple mos to perfect. Don't give up. It took me quite awhile to find juices I liked so I learned how to make it myself.

 

[pamdis]

If everything you get in your first attempt at vaping works perfectly and the juices satisfy you-you will be one of the lucky ones. Usually it takes a bit of time and experimentation to find the devices, especially juice delivery devices and juices that work best for you. It is more of a process that can take a couple mos to perfect. Don't give up. It took me quite awhile to find juices I liked so I learned how to make it myself.

And this is a big warning that everyone should hear before starting out.