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I didn't have time to read all the comments in here, but i'd like it if people with medical back-ups (pharmacists, Drs and such) could drop me a line in the inbox section, telling me what kind of support they have. I have the support of some important people myself, and we need to gather together all the info we can have, no?
From what I can tell it goes something like this:
- Medical professionals, by ethical/legal obligations, cannot actually say 'I recommend vaping'. It is a 'wording' thing and then the whole legalese issue. Strictly speaking you would not tell a normal healthy person to 'start vaping'.
- Realistically, they seem to be aware that vaping is 'far less bad' and by a large margin.
So they do have an awkward spot when it comes to any.. i want to say any 'published' or 'public' or 'official' statements they can make about it 'as professionals'.
Talking about caffeine and here again my Doctor cannot actually say '2 cups of coffee is good'. He has to word it like this: "12 is definitely VERY bad but if you told me 2 cups a day I would not be as worried about it'
So this is something we (as the presenters) might want to work with if and when we do try and speak to professionals or ask for them to support the ideas.
My own personal opinion is that I just wished we lived in a world where Doctors and everyone could just 'talk' like normal people again. I feel like frivolous lawsuits have done a lot to ruin things for everyone.
- Medical professionals, by ethical/legal obligations, cannot actually say 'I recommend vaping'. It is a 'wording' thing and then the whole legalese issue. Strictly speaking you would not tell a normal healthy person to 'start vaping'.
- Realistically, they seem to be aware that vaping is 'far less bad' and by a large margin.
So they do have an awkward spot when it comes to any.. i want to say any 'published' or 'public' or 'official' statements they can make about it 'as professionals'.
Talking about caffeine and here again my Doctor cannot actually say '2 cups of coffee is good'. He has to word it like this: "12 is definitely VERY bad but if you told me 2 cups a day I would not be as worried about it'
So this is something we (as the presenters) might want to work with if and when we do try and speak to professionals or ask for them to support the ideas.
My own personal opinion is that I just wished we lived in a world where Doctors and everyone could just 'talk' like normal people again. I feel like frivolous lawsuits have done a lot to ruin things for everyone.
The problem is, BP give doctors spiffs for selling their product. Smith Kline comes in and says push this NRT and if you write 100 prescriptions we will give you a car, boat, trip, whatever. 90% of the time money talks, common sense walks. Even though doctors know something else is better they will still push the other for that spiff.
There are some doctors that do have morals and dont go by that and go by whats right. Fortunately my doctor is one of those. He would never "Recommend" the e-cig (college of family physicians would scream) but he would tout it as a much better alternative to smoking which speaks volumes.
I went by my pharmacist today and he is kind of wishy washy about writing up a letter. Remember this guy works with BP. His name on anything that isnt BP could result in some pretty unwanted attitude and who knows what else, but im still talking to him about it.
There are some doctors that do have morals and dont go by that and go by whats right. Fortunately my doctor is one of those. He would never "Recommend" the e-cig (college of family physicians would scream) but he would tout it as a much better alternative to smoking which speaks volumes.
I went by my pharmacist today and he is kind of wishy washy about writing up a letter. Remember this guy works with BP. His name on anything that isnt BP could result in some pretty unwanted attitude and who knows what else, but im still talking to him about it.
I can definitly tell you that I have doctors that will sign their names on a study when I bring them lab results. They can't "really" say: "I recommend Vaping", but they can look at actual numbers resulting from serious testing, and say that they "agree" that these results are valuable (the results being that the chemicals contained in a e-cig will not harm the persom smoking it).
LOL 12 cups is half of what I used to drink in my 20's. Worked 12 hr shifts at a time when they handed you a coffee pot and the bag of coffee and told you to have a good night. Averaged 2 to 3 pots a shift.
Now I sip about 8 cups a day. Gut can't handle any more.
Now I sip about 8 cups a day. Gut can't handle any more.
Sorry to be a dck but when misinformation is not stomped out, we risk consumer and media confusion. Apparantly you are not aware that many if not most of our juices have PEG in them now and your post might alarm some reader for no reason. I don't know why your pharmacist would be alarmed at hearing PEG. I'm not going to name the poisonous chemical that was allegedly in one sample but it is NOT PEG. Someone recently wrote up a good info here on PG,VG and PEG.
Also as a general comment on this thread, I will vape my shorts if any Dr or Pharmacist signs any letter. Very cute idea but unfortunately signing anything like that has the potential to jeopardize their licenses
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Where did you hear that signing a letter of support for something could go so far as to jeopardize a license to practice? Everyone of us who wants the right to use e-cigs should be trying to get as much awareness and as much support as possible for our right to choose....other than that I have no strong feelings!
Vape on!
Many of the same guidelines/codes of conduct apply to physicians and pharmacists. I'm not going to write more about this, I'm sure others will comment and hopefully the responses from asking will be noted as well. Don't get me wrong I would love to see this as well, I just don't think it is likely to happen unless HC approves which is even more unlikely IMHO!
I am an EHV myself (extremely heavy vaper) lol and I try to educate anyone who asks me about it. I do always make the disclaimer though that although logic, how my body feels, semi-related studies etc., says that this stuff is probably 100% safe, and just has to be safer than the alternative, there has not been a proper study done yet and we haven't had enough time to make a scientific conclusion.
I am an EHV myself (extremely heavy vaper) lol and I try to educate anyone who asks me about it. I do always make the disclaimer though that although logic, how my body feels, semi-related studies etc., says that this stuff is probably 100% safe, and just has to be safer than the alternative, there has not been a proper study done yet and we haven't had enough time to make a scientific conclusion.
That's great one of my pharmacist got all panicky she goes o I know about electronic cigarettes and there is no proof that it is harmless to other people and made me stop puffing on it while I was there.IS there any thing I can print to shove in her face lol.
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Just tell her to do her homework before making false claims that effect her customers.. After all she does mix chemicals compounds or was trained to (I would hope). And also, she's in the business of helping her customers.
But you have to respect the individual business and private property rights.
But you have to respect the individual business and private property rights.
just remember she gets spiffs from BP and thats not British Petroleum either. Its all about da money, the root of all evil.
She is implying that she has done her homework and out of all the pharmacist there everyone was into it until she showed up she is not an owner and when I do see the owner I will talk to him about it but wanted to show her some real reports that they are safe is all.I actually kinda of expected that reaction from her I have never liked her much lol.
The other pharmacist's all wanted to see it and hear what I had to say except her.- Status
