Seriously though, these are exciting times. I mean what is the vaping landscape going to look like even in 6 months time. Its crazy!
Innokin announces temp control
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Or it could all be a game of semantics. Kanthal is NOT a type of wire, Kanthal is a MANUFACTURER of wire. Vapor's call the Kanthal A1 alloy of Aluminum, Iron and Chromium "Kanthal". Kanthal also manufacturers Nichrome, as well as non resistance nickel wire. So they could easily say that it works with Kanthal*. And for,the note that "*" state "Or any other manufacturer's Ni200 wire"
I think that would make them look totally ridiculous! In any case it looks pretty certain the innokin system works through a sensor in their 'special' TC atty!
While I have no doubt that is true, it is not likely.
When I first got into vaping 09, I purchased an 808d device. Since that first experience, anytime I have made recommended to new adopters, I recommend purchase of 510 devices. Much like gaming, cell phones, even back as far as Beta vs VHS. the winners have historically been the devices with the most options. VHS had more movies, Xbox had more games, ect . . . The 510 market for devices, tanks, and tip's is so much significantly more saturated, that it would a huge marketing mistake to move away from that.
For sure there are better designs, The fact is that the 510 connection has been the "Weak link" for a very long time. But the value of a new connection would have to be incredibly significant to overcome that loss of options. You would have to be OK with limited drip tips, tanks, Probably would not be able to share tanks /drippers with friends. And anyone who has used adapters will tell you how bad that deal works out.
Lack of a 510 connection would be a deal breaker for me in the foreseeable future.
Innokin is not stupid. I believe that if they are introducing a proprietary connector, there will be provisions to use standard 510 easily. Prime example is how ProVape introduced a new connector on the ProVari P3. While retaining 510 connectivity quite easily
I agree completely @bssage . New innovation is hugely hampered by large bases of legacy equipment.
It will be very interesting to see how Innokin handle this, if they do at all.
In all my imaginations of a better 510 connection (yes, I've had them; does that make me sad??) I have considered that compatibility is paramount.
For example it could be a completely new connector, which has a 510 adapter both ways - a NewConn mod can uses 510 attys with the adapter, a NewConn atty can run on 510 mods with the opposite adapter - obviously without the new functionality. Along the lines of 510-Ego but more complex.
Alternatively, it would be a separate connector alongside/inside the 510, such that devices that have the new functions establish both a 510 + NewConn, and devices without just establish a 510. Alongside has lots of potential issues given how a 510 works and the size of attys/mods. But it could, perhaps, be extra wiring within/around the existing 510 - like an extra "hot thread" or something which only works with the right equipment on both ends.
I'm no expert on connectivity so I don't know quite how the latter might or even could work. But I'm sure there's a number of ways to do at least the adapter and probably either.
I have no idea if Innokin, or anyone at this time, has the vision to try it. But it would be awesome if they did.
The most likely option I expect is that they come out with something completely proprietary, with no thought of compatibility, in the hope that it's really popular and everyone buys their mods and their tanks, and is somewhat locked-in.
But there will be third party/clone stuff soon enough it's almost certain - unless they are super aggressive trying to patent their new connection in all markets.
It will be very interesting to see how Innokin handle this, if they do at all.
In all my imaginations of a better 510 connection (yes, I've had them; does that make me sad??) I have considered that compatibility is paramount.
For example it could be a completely new connector, which has a 510 adapter both ways - a NewConn mod can uses 510 attys with the adapter, a NewConn atty can run on 510 mods with the opposite adapter - obviously without the new functionality. Along the lines of 510-Ego but more complex.
Alternatively, it would be a separate connector alongside/inside the 510, such that devices that have the new functions establish both a 510 + NewConn, and devices without just establish a 510. Alongside has lots of potential issues given how a 510 works and the size of attys/mods. But it could, perhaps, be extra wiring within/around the existing 510 - like an extra "hot thread" or something which only works with the right equipment on both ends.
I'm no expert on connectivity so I don't know quite how the latter might or even could work. But I'm sure there's a number of ways to do at least the adapter and probably either.
I have no idea if Innokin, or anyone at this time, has the vision to try it. But it would be awesome if they did.
The most likely option I expect is that they come out with something completely proprietary, with no thought of compatibility, in the hope that it's really popular and everyone buys their mods and their tanks, and is somewhat locked-in.
But there will be third party/clone stuff soon enough it's almost certain - unless they are super aggressive trying to patent their new connection in all markets.
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depends who has bigger pockets
the pro-vapers or the anti-vapers
yeah,m I was trying to ignore that elephant in the room!! Lets hope that sense prevails but it seldom does when there is a $100billion at stake!!
the 510 issue will evolve as these things do. Its no different really to computing starting with RS232 etc etc through USB....There is always some invenience with the legacy version at each stage of evolution but things still progress and few, if any, die in the process!!
All that is precisely why I have stuck with "PC-compatible" rather than going for Apple-anything, over the years -- plus the price! I've heard that Apple-types are far better for anything graphical in nature, but I do other things than graphics, and PC-compatible means lots more choices, and much lower prices.
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off topic but apples claim to fame was that it used Motorola cpu's which was better for anything to do w/graphics, but now it uses intel, so i dont think thats its known for better graphics anymore other than software made for only apple pc's.
but i agree, the more compatibility the better
There is a grave danger of turning this into a apple vs pc mashup lol!!
Not totally disagreeing. But there is a difference. When there has been a change in computing (one that sticks). The change is generally significant enough to justify itself. Like the increase of capacity from floppy's to CD's, The portability of Mem sticks vs Cd's, or speed of usb's. With Vaporizers I think (just my opinion). The last few significant changes RDA's, Sub Ohming, wire, and yes current temp control, ect . . . Have brought us to a point where that change would be nominal. Or hard to justify getting rid of the huge accumulation of 510 stuff I currently have.
I think the Bloke is probably correct. The right person could likely make the current connection do more. I for sure will be watching how this turn out.
The 510 goes back to the cig a like size battery. The 14, 16, 18mm flashlight batteries changed the tube to what we have now. 26mm hasn't seemed to take off as I think it is just too fat for most people and quite a jump from 18mm.
I still think the time has come for a quick release mechanism instead of threading on/off.
I still think the time has come for a quick release mechanism instead of threading on/off.
This is one of those devices IMHO that it wont pay to be a first adopter. I suspect that the pre-order people will be the beta testers at a very high level. That said, and when we are talking about programming changes (that will likely be the case). I would not even consider it unless it was user upgrade-able, or just waiting for higher versions to be released.
Yeah. Though I think the first versino is going to be pretty tightly controlled. Coil heads only. that's not to say there won't be issues, but they will at least give themselves the best chance of getting it right in a controlled environment.
I suppose that will be a good benchmark of the technology - if it's pretty accurate with coil heads, and fairly problem free (usual silly minor bugs aside), it has a chance to expand beyond fixed coils - from them if they plan to do that, or others if they don't. If it's an unreliable mess even in a controlled environment, it won't bode well for them getting it more flexible any time soon.
Though any company willing/able to invest enough money in it can get it working if they want - it's new for vaping but it's not new for the world at large. I'm sure there's any number of devices out there with temp sensors pointing at a high temperature strip or coil of metal in a limited sized enclosure. It should absolutely be possible to get right and working well at least for coil heads and almost certainly for rebuildable (at least within certain defined lmiits.) Just depends how much time and money they spend on getting it right.
I suppose that will be a good benchmark of the technology - if it's pretty accurate with coil heads, and fairly problem free (usual silly minor bugs aside), it has a chance to expand beyond fixed coils - from them if they plan to do that, or others if they don't. If it's an unreliable mess even in a controlled environment, it won't bode well for them getting it more flexible any time soon.
Though any company willing/able to invest enough money in it can get it working if they want - it's new for vaping but it's not new for the world at large. I'm sure there's any number of devices out there with temp sensors pointing at a high temperature strip or coil of metal in a limited sized enclosure. It should absolutely be possible to get right and working well at least for coil heads and almost certainly for rebuildable (at least within certain defined lmiits.) Just depends how much time and money they spend on getting it right.
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