Inside a sedansa atomizer

[ted26]

Right folks this is gonna be tough as my diva has been the queen of e-smoking since i began 6 weekish ago!

Before i cut open the atomizer and show to all the difference between the big suppliers and our local friends i want to know anyone who knows the best way of doing said job.

Can i get the atomizer out without damaging it?

 

[trog100]

Right folks this is gonna be tough as my diva has been the queen of e-smoking since i began 6 weekish ago!

Before i cut open the atomizer and show to all the difference between the big suppliers and our local friends i want to know anyone who knows the best way of doing said job.

Can i get the atomizer out without damaging it?

u assume there is some difference.. ???

trog

 

[ted26]

u assume there is some difference.. ???

trog

I know there is maybe minimal but the sedansa draws the liquid from the cart easily where generics seem to fail

But i will post the pics later.

How do i post them directly on this page?

 

[ted26]

Am i right in saying that the generics wick does not run into the bridge as with the sedansa it does, explaining why it draws from the cart easier.

You can see the wick is charred/burnt which caused it to malfunction.





The atomizer wire and pot are also bigger hence giving more smoke than a generic.

All in all though the design differences are minimal and could be copied easily by our chinese friends across the water.

 

[ted26]

Dont understand why everyone who said generics were same as sedansa are not saying anything, hhmmmm

Oh and for the record i broke it by using a hair dryer then smoking it before the fluid had reached down the wick.

I suggest people dont dry but simply add liquid and smoke until its pulls out the water.

 

[trog100]

i have never taken a sedans apart but there are generics and there are generics.. but the atomizers i gave taken apart the bridge is simply an extension of the rest of the wire wool that sticks up into the wool in the cart.. its there to make direct contact between one and the other..

the wet wool in the cart passes liquid via the bridge to the wire wool around the atomzer pot.. when things are all new and wet things work.. as the liquid in the cart wool gets used up things dont work so well..

to me its a technology problem.. the atomizers come from the factory loaded with a wet wire wool prime.. when a wet fresh cart is popped in its all at its wettest so to speak.. given a fresh off charge new battery things should work at their best..

the liquid in the wire wool gets pulled into the atomizer pot so its the wire wool that starts to dry out first.. the wire wool has to be fed (via the bridge) from the cart wool..

the overall wettness gets less as the cart gets used up.. the wire wool around the atomizer being the driest part of the lot.... in theory the overall wetness of both wire wool and cart wool should try and even out.. in practice i dont think this happens..

small carts seem to manage this balance better than large ones.. probably for the simple reason the liquid dosnt have so far to travel..

but as the cart gets used up the overall wetness gets less.. to a point where somewhere between functionality and none functionality is reached and the cart is changed for a new one..

one thing that is never replaced thow is the initial factory prime.. not unless two or three drops of liquid in directly dripped into the atomizer before the new cart is installed..

i think the fluid used plays a big part in the passage of liquid from the cart wool to the wire wool.. thinner fluid is gonna equalize better than thicker stuff.. thinner fluid should work better than thicker fluid.. in theory at least.. he he

i have some pipes which i direct drip.. i have pulled the bridge off to directly expose the atomizer coil.. my theory was simple.. with no cart being used there was no need for the bridge.. it simply got in the way of my direct dripping..

i know thick fluid is bad news cos i have loads of the bloody stuff from e-cig china.. it dosnt even equalize in the carts.. there are patches of brown fluid and patches of pure white dry wool.. i think "hope" its connected to the olympics supply problems.. cos no way on gods planet would these thing work..

ruyan cigar fluid seem to be thinnish.. i aint tried the sedansa but the ruyan cigar is the only large sized cart device that seems to work its way thru the contents of cart okay..

loong totem seem to have solved the liquid passage problem with a complete re-design.. the atomizer heater coil pokes straight up into the cart wool.. from people that have tried them the idea seems to work.. but the atomizer and cart are all in one..

so i think all the new super minies with very small carts will empty the carts as intended and work well.. but being as they hold bugger all in the first place and cost the same as the larger cart not a lot has been gained except a device that work well but cost far more in new carts.. the same effect could be achieved by throwing a 901 cart away when its half empty.. the cost would be the same.. small carts are more idiot proof thow.. the user has no choice but to throw them away.. the lenghy period if "is this thing empty or not" has been removed..

trog

ps.. i like generic classics.. but would never claim any off them work without dripping.. none of the ones i have tried have..

 

[ted26]

You forgot to mention that the sedansa was a better design because the wick runs right around the bridge

Also like to add my generics work fine but have learned to turn it 180 degrees between each drag to aid liquid flow.

And you are right the pen style generics struggle to pull the fluid out of the cart which i think is there main problem, i find constant dripping on the cart top is the only way to use said device.

 

[trog100]

i didnt forget.. but as u said if the idea works so well the others could (and should) copy.. the ruyan works well but i dont think it uses the wick round the bridge concept..

as for bigger being better.. well i went on that logic at first.. i started off with a 901.. then it was a cigarillo.. classic.. cigar.. pipe.. i have to admit to being wrong in my bigger is better belief..

batteries apart.. smaller seems better.. a new super mini generic will produce as much vapour as anything.. the downside being the small carts.. cost wise they still probably work out cheaper than sedansa carts and they work.. at least for while.. he he

but the price would be my only gripe against sedansa.. the product is probably very good..

i couldnt afford to smoke them even if i wanted to.. but i cant afford to go thru ten super mini carts every day either..

e smoking is still a "habit" i would sooner not have just like real cigs.. what my habit costs me plays a big part in how i indulge it..

in theory a bigger heater coil in a larger pot should produce more vapour.. but it needs to use more fuel to do it just like a bigger car does.. the limit to how much vapour an e smoking device produces come down to two things mainly..

getting enough battery power to the bigger heater coil and keeping the bigger heater coil pot fed with enough liquid..

the bottom line being the current woolly cart technology and the average e cig battery aint up to the job..

trog

 

[ted26]

Yeah each to there own on the penstyle versus 901, i personally prefer the pen as i get a bigger throat hit but the 901 produces more vapour.

And am unsure whether to replace the sedansa atomizer due to cost, bad customer service and shipping when i can get a decent smoke from generics.

If they were in the uk it would be a no brainer for me but that is not the case.

And yes the sedansa does use more fuel but there batteries are far superior to generics as we all know.

Think i may have ruined my guarantee so paid about 70 quid for 2 batteries and a charger!

 

[trog100]

And yes the sedansa does use more fuel but there batteries are far superior to generics as we all know.

a lithium battery is lithium battery to a certain extent.. for anybody to opt for the sedansa option certain assumption have to be made.. it has to be "better" cos it costs more being the obvious one.. but sadly we dont all know the sedansa battery is better than a generic.. i dont think it is.. here is why..

lithium ion technology has it limits.. only a certain amount of energy can be stored in a given size battery..

people think e cig batteries are rubbish or some do.. as batteries go they are very good.. for their size they do a remarkable job.. the problem is their size.. not so much their quality..

so we start off with the premise that the average e cig battery is too small for the job it does.. this is cos the people that make them want them to me real cigarette sized..

a classic battery is better than a mini battery simply because its bigger.. its bigger for a good reason.. a classic was designed with functionally in mind..

with the newer super minies functionality has gone out the window cos the makers have realized people are more lilkely to buy their products if they look like real cigarettes rather than a pen..

an e cig can draw nearly one amp of current when its puffed on.. the average mini e cig battery is no more than 150 mah.. a classic would be double this size perhaps 350 mah..

to put out nearly one amp of current a few hundred times a day a 350 mah battery is pushing it.. asking a 150 mah one to do this day after day is a joke..

as in have said repeatably.. mostly to be ignored.. these things aint really designed to be used as some of us are using them..

battery discharge is measured in a figure refered to as "C".. "C" is the capacity of the battery.. the capacity (energy stored) as a general rule can be related to the physical size of the battery..

for 150 mah battery to be discharged at one amp this would be a discharge rate of 6.66 "C".. this is a killer rate.. used all day and every day no battery will survive this abuse for long..

the classic battery at say 350 mah would be discharged at 2.85 "C".. not very good for the battery but more within acceptable limits than the killer 6.66 "C"

people think this is just about run times but it isnt.. its about how long the battery remains a battery as opposed to a useless paper weight..

a lithium battery used properly at say a 1 "C" or less discharge will have life time of 500 charge/discharge cycles.. used at 6 "C" the life time could be as low as 20 charge/discharge cycles.. which for a heavy mini cig smoker can be as little as a couple of weeks..

not a problem as long as people know this and allow for it in their overall e smoking running costs but most dont and refuse to believe it when they are told..

its ironic really that all this clever technology comes to us powered by a battery that is too small for the job its required to do.. but thats how a chinese product and chinese design works.. as long as we buy em they dont really care about anything else..

trog

 

[ted26]

I'll get to the point as you seem to have lost your way as usual.

The sedansa batteries work alot better than generics lasting longer by far.

 

[leaford]

a lithium battery is lithium battery to a certain extent.. for anybody to opt for the sedansa option certain assumption have to be made.. it has to be "better" cos it costs more being the obvious one.. but sadly we dont all know the sedansa battery is better than a generic.. i dont think it is.. here is why..trog

As usual, you will ignore or dismiss what I say, but for the benefit of others; After several tests I have found that the Sedansa Diva long life batteries do last longer than standard penstyle batteries, lasting around 120 - 130 full 5-second puffs, versus around 90 - 100 for a generic, Njoy, ePuffer, Smartfixx, or old style Sedansa battery.

 

[trog100]

i will accept what u say leaford.. a 20 to 30 percent improvement over the others u have tested.. worth having but not a huge improvement.. 20 to 30 percent is within the limits of good batteries and bad ones.. they still aint really up to properly powering an e cig for long enoogh thow.. and they are still being over discharged for their capacity..

so as classics go lets say the sedansa it as good as it gets.. a later sedansa battery is worth an extra 30 five second puffs..

120
5 ×
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600

60 ÷
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10 =

at 120 five second puffs the figures seem to suggest a real run time of ten minutes which equates with a discharge rate of 6 "C"..

i was being kind to em when i had a guess at their 350 mah capacity..

what do u get for the current generation of 901 batteries.. ??

trog

 

[leaford]

Actually, I haven't done a puff count on the 901's yet. Sorry.

 

[trog100]

Actually, I haven't done a puff count on the 901's yet. Sorry.

i ask cos i assume the classic would have a higher puff count than the 901.. but your classic puff count has me wondering.. its not as good as i would have expected..

they both might have the same size battery in for all i know.. i assume the classic battery is bigger because the tube is a lot longer.. but i have never pulled a classic battery apart..

mind u quite a few "assumptions" i have made about e cigs have turned out to be wrong..

the average e cig draws about .8 amps perhaps a little more perhaps a little less depending on the battery charge.. they start off at 4.2 volts and drop down to 2.7 before the flat light flashes.. .8 amps for one hour would be 800 mah.. .8 amps for ten minutes suggests a 133 mah battery.. even knocking some off for losses way smaller than the 350 mah i guessed at for a classic battery..

was it a new one u tested.. the run time and capacity drops off with use.. quite quickly when the battery is being flogged like they are in an e cig..

u can buy proper equipment for testing battery capacities by the way..

we now throw our 901 batteries after two weeks use.. the later ones just aint as good as the older ones it seems.. we dont do puff counts just how often we have to run to the charger counts.. the only reason for the screw driver device is to avoid this battery thing.. its tolerable when next to a charger in the house but utterly useless to go anywhere with the things..

u might say u dont have this problem but we do and we dont imagine it.. he he

using the 100 five seconds generic puff count makes thing even worse.. a real run time of 8.3 minutes suggest a battery with a very low capacity indeed.. less than 150 mah with a discharge rate of 7 "C" while its being operated..

if u wonder why i find your figure alarming dude.. do some googling..

trog

 

[ned Zeppelin]

I'll get to the point as you seem to have lost your way as usual.

The sedansa batteries work alot better than generics lasting longer by far.

Well my sedansa batteries last no longer than Generic ones we have in fact we've had more faults with the sedansa batteries than the Generic ones they are more powerful but they ain't lasting any longer.

 

[leaford]

There are long life Sedansas and regular Sedansa batteries. When I requested a replacement for one of my two original long life batteries, which was an out of the box failure, they sent me two of the old regular life batteries. The long life ones had SC106_V7 written on them, the regular ones had SC106_V3 on them. Which were yours, Ned?

 

[ned Zeppelin]

There are long life Sedansas and regular Sedansa batteries. When I requested a replacement for one of my two original long life batteries, which was an out of the box failure, they sent me two of the old regular life batteries. The long life ones had SC106_V7 written on them, the regular ones had SC106_V3 on them. Which were yours, Ned?

Hi Leaford all the batteries I have ever received from sedansa have always been sc106 -V8. Their black with a gold band about an inch down from the top which also looks identical to theJanty classic non kiss box version because the picture on theJanty site looks identical but whether this is the same battery I'm not sure but sedansa they've always sent me these sc106 -V8.

 

[trog100]

the bottom line is leaford 30% better then the others wouldnt be that noticeable to the average user.. they dont count their puffs..

so is this correct..

The sedansa batteries work a lot better than generics lasting longer by far

i dont think so..

but from your puff counts they all seem to be rubbish even the best.. ten minutes with the fire lit and then it goes out aint very clever..

u provided the figures.. the figures say "rubbish".. they are worse than i would have thought..

the fact that all these bloody things are rubbish is the point i was trying to make.. a generic lights the fire for 8 minutes a wonderful sedansa manages to keep it going for ten minutes..

jeesh.. its no wonder i get lost is it.. they are all rubbish.. the fire needs lighting for more than a pathetic ten minutes..

8 minutes or 10 minutes who gives a sh-t.. neither is good enough..

as i said leaford u provided the figures.. i take them to be accurate.. i worked with your figures.. the results dont look good..

trog

 

[leaford]

Rubbish compared to what, Trog? Compared to what you want it to be, perhaps. But it is what it is. I wanted to know how long one lasts. ANd I wanted to know if the Sedansas live up to their promise that they will last longer. And they do. You say the difference isn't noticable, but I think lasting say 8 hours of use versus 6 hours is a noticable difference. BUt that's up to you. It is what it is.

And, Ned, V8. Damn. I don't even know if that's the long life type or not. I was assuming the higher number means a more recent version, now I wonder if it's just maybe a batch number, or something.