I was only half-joking. I'm always happy to see an unchallenged answer in these forums, since there's so often conflicting advice. Of course, nobody really had time to challenge you yet, but I'm running with your authoritative answer just the same.
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I was only half-joking. I'm always happy to see an unchallenged answer in these forums, since there's so often conflicting advice. Of course, nobody really had time to challenge you yet, but I'm running with your authoritative answer just the same.
came home from the gym tonight and found both of mine had dumped half their tanks overflowing the cup seal and pouring down the side of my ego twist and mini lava tube. So thats not just condensation, they are whicking up to the coil and dripping down the middle tube. For some reason it only starts after you've vaped it a bit. The 2nd i had i filled last night and didnt vape it till this morning and it didnt leak at all and nothing in the tube. After i vaped it, about 10-15 pulls, and set it down and came back to it an hour later it was gurgly.
This sucks, they have great great flavor and nice warm vapor.
This sucks, they have great great flavor and nice warm vapor.
I took apart the first one to see what was going on inside.
That bottom plate lifts right on the connector and that wire you see is the possitive going down the center tube, through the plate and onto the 510 connection.
It goes up the middle tube into the ceramic cup and them around the wick.
So here is what i think is happening, juice is wicking up the wicks, it hits the coil and slowly flows down the positive wire. There is nothing stopping it, the coil gets wet from the wicks and that liquid is following gravity down the positive wire through the center tube.
Same idea as a drip loop on a strung phone cable. Water hits the cable or flows onto it from the pole. It travels horizontily along the cable towards the lowest point. To stop it from getting into the actual breakout housing on the cable or box. They put a simple loop in the cable. The water will flow down to the loop because its lower than the cable and drip off.
The positive cable is acting just like the drip loop, its giving the juice someplace to flow from the wicks.
These are basically re-jiggered fluxo's, so why didnt this happen to them? Because the positive wire, like the negative wire on these, went through a small hole in the cup and back into the tank. So it was happening, but it was draining back into the tank, not the center tube.
These things are like old super cars, performance is amazing but they come with reliability problems.
That bottom plate lifts right on the connector and that wire you see is the possitive going down the center tube, through the plate and onto the 510 connection.
It goes up the middle tube into the ceramic cup and them around the wick.
So here is what i think is happening, juice is wicking up the wicks, it hits the coil and slowly flows down the positive wire. There is nothing stopping it, the coil gets wet from the wicks and that liquid is following gravity down the positive wire through the center tube.
Same idea as a drip loop on a strung phone cable. Water hits the cable or flows onto it from the pole. It travels horizontily along the cable towards the lowest point. To stop it from getting into the actual breakout housing on the cable or box. They put a simple loop in the cable. The water will flow down to the loop because its lower than the cable and drip off.
The positive cable is acting just like the drip loop, its giving the juice someplace to flow from the wicks.
These are basically re-jiggered fluxo's, so why didnt this happen to them? Because the positive wire, like the negative wire on these, went through a small hole in the cup and back into the tank. So it was happening, but it was draining back into the tank, not the center tube.
These things are like old super cars, performance is amazing but they come with reliability problems.
I took one of mine and cut the wicks short even with the bottom of the black wrap . that stops the over wicking.Makes it work like a stardust.
yeah that would work tim, so long as the wicks arent sitting in juice. You'd have to just tilt them to charge the wicks every time, which if you vape horizontily you do automatically anyway.
Jerry, you want to use one of the smaller outter holes. You can use either one, shouldnt matter.
The big hole in the center, where you can see the coil, will just dump your juice down the center tube.
The big hole in the center, where you can see the coil, will just dump your juice down the center tube.
I was only half-joking. I'm always happy to see an unchallenged answer in these forums, since there's so often conflicting advice. Of course, nobody really had time to challenge you yet, but I'm running with your authoritative answer just the same.
MrWarspite,
Sorry to hear you are having issues and please don't take this the wrong way... I hope you are wrong in your "theory"... just saying..
Still I did take note of it and I've made a slight alteration to the ongoing tests I have had going for 12 hours now... In my setup I originally had the full TC Phoenix standing upright in a coin tube and the one that was partially vaped ( about 1/3 down was vaped out ) was laying down... Now both are vaped down to that 1/3 down ( 2/3 full ) mark. I'll continue to leave them that way at least until morning sometime ( later if I forget them before leaving for work lol )
Still an update on what I've seen with these two up till now...
The one that was standing up, full of juice had no loss of fluid... When I drew on it, no gurgle at all and when I started to vape it down to the same level as the other one laying on it's side... it vaped perfectly.
The one laying on it side and had been vaped down a little ... It showed less than a drop in the area between the mouthpiece and the top silicon seal, probably what I'd expect to see just from condensation alone. When I vaped on it... there actually was a little bit of a gurgle which I blew out and I'd say it only had a drop perhaps of liquid on the napkin that I blew it into.
I'll see how this plays out by morning... but risking jinxing it... I'd say it is looking good on these two test units.
Randy
Sorry to hear you are having issues and please don't take this the wrong way... I hope you are wrong in your "theory"... just saying..
Still I did take note of it and I've made a slight alteration to the ongoing tests I have had going for 12 hours now... In my setup I originally had the full TC Phoenix standing upright in a coin tube and the one that was partially vaped ( about 1/3 down was vaped out ) was laying down... Now both are vaped down to that 1/3 down ( 2/3 full ) mark. I'll continue to leave them that way at least until morning sometime ( later if I forget them before leaving for work lol )
Still an update on what I've seen with these two up till now...
The one that was standing up, full of juice had no loss of fluid... When I drew on it, no gurgle at all and when I started to vape it down to the same level as the other one laying on it's side... it vaped perfectly.
The one laying on it side and had been vaped down a little ... It showed less than a drop in the area between the mouthpiece and the top silicon seal, probably what I'd expect to see just from condensation alone. When I vaped on it... there actually was a little bit of a gurgle which I blew out and I'd say it only had a drop perhaps of liquid on the napkin that I blew it into.
I'll see how this plays out by morning... but risking jinxing it... I'd say it is looking good on these two test units.
Randy
I'm gonna keep trying with the 3 i have left. I really like these and hope i just had 2 duds
MrWarspite your theory makes a lot of sense.
Below are some pics I took tonight. A little more juice leaked out of the one I took a pic of this morning. Before going to bed last night I did fill it and took a few hits before placing it on my counter vertically. I do not like that the tube can't be removed completely for cleaning, at least not easily like the Fluxos. The draw is too tight compared to the Fluxos and the Phx bottom coil. I am guessing that the wire running through the air tube is somehow restricting the air flow. I have only tried 2 out of the 5 I purchased and am leaning toward adding them to my emergency stash. I love the Phx bottom coils so I think I have finally found my goto carto and plan on getting 3-5 more packs in a couple of weeks. The Phx bottom coil is an awesome vape on my Kicked mechanical USA made device set at 5 watts.
Below are some pics I took tonight. A little more juice leaked out of the one I took a pic of this morning. Before going to bed last night I did fill it and took a few hits before placing it on my counter vertically. I do not like that the tube can't be removed completely for cleaning, at least not easily like the Fluxos. The draw is too tight compared to the Fluxos and the Phx bottom coil. I am guessing that the wire running through the air tube is somehow restricting the air flow. I have only tried 2 out of the 5 I purchased and am leaning toward adding them to my emergency stash. I love the Phx bottom coils so I think I have finally found my goto carto and plan on getting 3-5 more packs in a couple of weeks. The Phx bottom coil is an awesome vape on my Kicked mechanical USA made device set at 5 watts.
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then that means its over wicking and adjusting the inner plug solves this, i had one over wick, i adjusted the plug and then it doesnt happen again.
Hi MrWarspite... yeah I meant which of the outer holes -- one appears to be bigger, thought it might make a diff -- but thanks for clarifying that.
So when they are over wicking we want to push the cup seal down to restrict the wicks?
My TCs finally made it to my local post office, now all I have to do is stalk the mailman until about 1pm
Hey Chris I have a theory...
There have been about 5-6 pages of posts since I read this and it's past my bed time so I don't have time to catch up completely this morning. My apologies if I missed any major breakthroughs. But-
I got my TCs yesterday and filled my first one. It was perfect for about 15-20 minutes of chain vaping, then I got the gurgle. Before I got the gurgle, I did notice that these are a much tighter draw than the fluxos and the BCs, and I am drawing a good bit harder on them. Not necessary to get the vapor, but I guess just to the the air that I am accustomed to.
So my theory is- maybe we are overwicking them by drawing too hard? The same way if you get a dry hit you might draw on it without activating to wet the wicks? What do you think? Maybe you could take one of your tried and true TCs and draw hard on it to see if you can get it to gurgle. When I refill mine I will try not drawing so hard with no other adjustments and see if it alleviates the gurgle. Will report back sometime in the next 24 hours, depending on how work goes tonight.
There have been about 5-6 pages of posts since I read this and it's past my bed time so I don't have time to catch up completely this morning. My apologies if I missed any major breakthroughs. But-
I got my TCs yesterday and filled my first one. It was perfect for about 15-20 minutes of chain vaping, then I got the gurgle. Before I got the gurgle, I did notice that these are a much tighter draw than the fluxos and the BCs, and I am drawing a good bit harder on them. Not necessary to get the vapor, but I guess just to the the air that I am accustomed to.
So my theory is- maybe we are overwicking them by drawing too hard? The same way if you get a dry hit you might draw on it without activating to wet the wicks? What do you think? Maybe you could take one of your tried and true TCs and draw hard on it to see if you can get it to gurgle. When I refill mine I will try not drawing so hard with no other adjustments and see if it alleviates the gurgle. Will report back sometime in the next 24 hours, depending on how work goes tonight.
This is a really quick mod to the Phoenix that not only stops the gurgling, but also makes these a breeze to fill. I use this on the fluxo supremes, but don't need to cut the tube.
1. Cut the tube so your drip tip will sit flush to the ceramic cup. If it's not flush it will leak. Cuts easily with a sharp knife.
2. Cut two pieces of PTB (Liption Pyramid Tea Bag) approx. 1.5" x 3/16" and fold into pieces as shown.
3. Insert PTB between the tube and the slits in the ceramic cup. Make sure it's wedged in there well or it will leak.
4. Drip eliquid into the tube, replace drip tip and you're done.
I've left this upside down in the sun for over an hour and no leaks. Works perfectly for me. You can sand down the tube if you didn't cut it to a perfect fit. The PTB doesnt have to be exact; it just has to stop liquid from seeping into the slits. It's basically the same thing as fluffing the wicks, but I prefer to leave them undisturbed. I have cut the wicks to half their original length and haven't noticed any benefit, except it makes filling a bit easier as they don't block the juice as much as the long wicks sometimes can. Same performance either way. Hope this helps.
1. Cut the tube so your drip tip will sit flush to the ceramic cup. If it's not flush it will leak. Cuts easily with a sharp knife.
2. Cut two pieces of PTB (Liption Pyramid Tea Bag) approx. 1.5" x 3/16" and fold into pieces as shown.
3. Insert PTB between the tube and the slits in the ceramic cup. Make sure it's wedged in there well or it will leak.
4. Drip eliquid into the tube, replace drip tip and you're done.
I've left this upside down in the sun for over an hour and no leaks. Works perfectly for me. You can sand down the tube if you didn't cut it to a perfect fit. The PTB doesnt have to be exact; it just has to stop liquid from seeping into the slits. It's basically the same thing as fluffing the wicks, but I prefer to leave them undisturbed. I have cut the wicks to half their original length and haven't noticed any benefit, except it makes filling a bit easier as they don't block the juice as much as the long wicks sometimes can. Same performance either way. Hope this helps.
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On the two test units I set overnight... both had been vaped down slightly, perhaps a 1/3 of the way ( 2/3 full )
The one that sat upright in the coin tube only leaked a drop out of the bottom and when I blew it out into a napkin... it made approx. a half of an inch worth of a line of fluid ...
The one that laid horizontal on the napkin didn't leak out any onto the napkin... but when I blew it out it had quite a bit making around two lines worth of fluid on the napkin close to an inch and a half long each.
Overall... it appears that these two do leak less than the CE2's from MIT ( similar to the fluxo in basic design )... but they are still not leak free. The BC Phoenix clearo's that I've used leaked much less overall ( only tried 5 so far ).
I'd had hoped, probably more of a fantasy than reality allows, that these would leak less and that I could pre-fill and just carry a few around... doing that would still be a bit messy which means I'm still going to have to fill a clearo on the go which is something that would be nice to avoid but is looking to be more of a pipedream.
It is what it is... these are still decent clearos being better than others in certain areas and not as good in other areas. The flavor is slightly more muted than some of the other CE2 types I've used but it does leak less than the others I've had also. The Phoenix's also seem to be able to be cleaned more often than the other CE2's with my tougher juices I vape. The differences in them are in favor of the Phoenix by enough of a margin that I will likely pick more up ( or perhaps the BC instead )...
I've just gotten a few Stardusts in to try out also... I've put these off till now not liking the idea that I need an adapter to use them... we'll see how they work for me. I'm also waiting to see and/or get the Vivi Nova v2.5 to see if the issues with them have been worked out... If I like the Stardusts, I may also get the newest versions to try which will share the heads with the Vivi.
Randy
The one that sat upright in the coin tube only leaked a drop out of the bottom and when I blew it out into a napkin... it made approx. a half of an inch worth of a line of fluid ...
The one that laid horizontal on the napkin didn't leak out any onto the napkin... but when I blew it out it had quite a bit making around two lines worth of fluid on the napkin close to an inch and a half long each.
Overall... it appears that these two do leak less than the CE2's from MIT ( similar to the fluxo in basic design )... but they are still not leak free. The BC Phoenix clearo's that I've used leaked much less overall ( only tried 5 so far ).
I'd had hoped, probably more of a fantasy than reality allows, that these would leak less and that I could pre-fill and just carry a few around... doing that would still be a bit messy which means I'm still going to have to fill a clearo on the go which is something that would be nice to avoid but is looking to be more of a pipedream.
It is what it is... these are still decent clearos being better than others in certain areas and not as good in other areas. The flavor is slightly more muted than some of the other CE2 types I've used but it does leak less than the others I've had also. The Phoenix's also seem to be able to be cleaned more often than the other CE2's with my tougher juices I vape. The differences in them are in favor of the Phoenix by enough of a margin that I will likely pick more up ( or perhaps the BC instead )...
I've just gotten a few Stardusts in to try out also... I've put these off till now not liking the idea that I need an adapter to use them... we'll see how they work for me. I'm also waiting to see and/or get the Vivi Nova v2.5 to see if the issues with them have been worked out... If I like the Stardusts, I may also get the newest versions to try which will share the heads with the Vivi.
Randy
Great little mod, but would require to have a drip tip on each Phoenix that is filled, correct?
P.S. I love your illustrations, great job!
P.S. I love your illustrations, great job!
Thank you.
Yes, it would require that the drip tip is on at all times. Sort of a drag if you don't have a extra ones lying around...
Yes, it would require that the drip tip is on at all times. Sort of a drag if you don't have a extra ones lying around...
Yeah, I personally only have a few, as I use my CE3 XLs with the supplied little cover that fits into the tube. I like to keep my PV's as short as possible and, since the coil is at the bottom, it really doesn't need one
I've tried three of the five and each time I get two or three good drags but then get dry hits unless I let it sit for about thirty seconds. Is this the nature of the cartos? Or this there something I can do to fix it?
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