Is it hopeless?

[pt91]

My opinion is the sub O group is much larger here that in the real world. Everyone agree?
Then why is that half of the pics I see about ecigs show a young guy blowing clouds?
I know the reason is that is makes a great photo op.
I wish it was a pic the average vaper but it isn't.

 

[beckdg]

Of course. but you gotta think a little further down the line. Most danger stories are sub-ohmers, Im one myself just so you know lol. You just can't be biased to your likings if your a subohmer yourself in these political topics. Sub-Ohming was a small community until recently.

"most danger stories"? heh? yep... stories... projections by other vapers. maybe they understand, maybe they don't. but people are quick to jump on that bandwagon and perpetuate it, aren't they?

it's not sub-ohmers that are going to blow up their faces. it's ego and protected battery users trying to sub-ohm. hopefully they learn their lessons on or before their first incident.

 

[NerdVap0r]

"most danger stories"? heh? yep... stories... projections by other vapers. maybe they understand, maybe they don't. but people are quick to jump on that bandwagon and perpetuate it, aren't they?

it's not sub-ohmers that are going to blow up their faces. it's ego and protected battery users trying to sub-ohm. hopefully they learn their lessons on or before their first incident.

Lmfao, hence the topic of sub-ohming. get it? True facepalm right there buddy. Maybe the word "community" was the wrong word so im sorry for that. I should've say the act of sub-ohming since it seems your post above pretty much goes agrees with what i was generalizing.

 

[FireDragon1138]

I think a mech mod in the hands of somebody who is lazy or ignorant is a bad thing, but most e-cig disaster stories in the real world I know of actually involve Ego batteries hooked up to a charger. Ego's don't vent really well when they fail (they are more like mini-rockets) and their battery technology is flammable.

 

[beckdg]

Lmfao, hence the topic of sub-ohming. get it? True facepalm right there buddy. Maybe the word "community" was the wrong word so im sorry for that. I should've say the act of sub-ohming since it seems your post above pretty much goes agrees with what i was generalizing.

just a little something i was enlightened with recently. you should take a look. actual sub-ohmers (people who have searched for their zen of smoking cessation and found it as well as understand the necessities) have safe, viable options. see for yourself...

 

[AndriaD]

"Hey! I just started vaping last week so this week I ordered some cheap clone mech and RDA, some 18ga kanthal and some surefire's. Now I can blow phat clouds like riptripper!!11"
Or one of my favorites..."I just can't quit smoking if I can't blow huge clouds!"

Sorta like just learning how to ride a motorcycle and then running out and buying a GSXR1000 or Hayabusa.
Unfortunately they're not going to listen to what they don't want to hear. They don't care about safety, just how to wrap whatever the latest flavor of the month coil is and "chuck mad vapor".
Normally I'd be just fine with letting Darwin take care of this but sadly whatever mistakes they make only makes us as a whole look bad.

So right.. like the idjits that leave their ejuice around for the kiddies to get into... did they also leave their cigarettes and matches around for the kids to play with? Yeah, they probably did, so they're bad parents, but because they were careless with e-cigs or e-juice, all the rest of us get crucified and lied about.

I also agree with the "phat clouds" remarks... just before I quit smoking, already a member here, reading this nonsense about monster clouds, I actually watched the smoke I was generating with real cigarettes, and it just ain't that much. Even on the cold nights in January/February, there just wasn't that kind of "monster cloud" phenomenon with real cigarettes.

What it really requires to quit smoking is the desire to quit smoking, and the commitment to it to struggle thru the hard times. That was always true, even with the ineffective NRT, but now there are e-cigs and they're supposed to be a "magic wand" that make cigarettes simply vanish...? Sorry, it just doesn't work that way. Lots of folks say they never had another cig after starting to vape, but for most of us, that's just not true; we had to ease into it; but for anyone who's quit smoking by vaping instead, there are still going to be cravings; it's what you do when you feel them that determines whether or not you will "stay quit" -- do you sit and whine about your bad cravings, magnifying them in your mind, or do you vape like a mad thing while trying to distract yourself somehow? I've found distraction to be a quitter's best friend, no matter what it is you're trying to quit. Treat that craving like a little child, distract it with some play-pretty, and it soons forgets all about... whatever it was.

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

Vermonster, some of the things I read on ECF scare/offend me also, but the noobs, not at all. What I can't get my mind around are the many who apparently hate vaping and miss no chance to point out how bad it is, and how they don't mind proposed restrictions at all. Nicotine is to be avoided at all costs (its a deadly poison!), and a person who doesn't smoke should NEVER even think about trying it. I don't know, but I thought ECF was supposed to be an advocate for vapers, and I don't think we'll ever get anywhere as long as some in our own ranks speak so harshly against it.

I agree wholeheartedly. So many here seem to want to treat vaping like it's smoking with a nicer smell, something to hurry up and get thru so you can just QUIT EVERYTHING... I guess anyone is entitled to do that if that's really what they want, but they seem to be missing the point that vaping is HARM REDUCTION, its whole point for a lot of us is to REPLACE the smoking, not be treated like a patch you can inhale. For instance I recently had a disagreement with someone about "postpone vaping just as long as you can" but I figured out early on in my vaping career that cravings take a lot longer to assuage with vaping than they did with smoking, so if you want to stay on top of those cravings, and prevent them from really making you miserable, you need to vape AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, just as soon as you feel ANY desire for a smoke/vape -- if you postpone it, you just make it that much longer till that craving goes away, till you're comfortable again. That person is determined for his own reasons to get nic free just as soon as humanly possible, and he's certainly entitled to do that, but I don't think he ought to be advising new quitters in the New Members Forum to follow that particular example -- a lot of us are doing great to be CIGARETTE-free, so nic-free may not be necessary or desirable for a great many of us.

Andria

 

[NerdVap0r]

just a little something i was enlightened with recently. you should take a look. actual sub-ohmers (people who have searched for their zen of smoking cessation and found it as well as understand the necessities) have safe, viable options. see for yourself...

Their innovation and advancement is unquestioned in the SO world, i agree with you there but realistically, they the FDA will look into the huge clouds eventually with SO growing rapidly to gain knowledge for regulating time. Its pretty much inevitable at this point on lol. They will fish for everything.

 

[beckdg]

Their innovation and advancement is unquestioned, i agree with you there but realistically, they will look into the huge clouds eventually with SO growing rapidly. Its pretty much inevitable at this point on lol. They will fish for everything.

exactly the bolded!

notice nobody's been writing newspaper articles about sub-ohming?
notice there's been no proposed bans on sub-ohming?
notice thousands of youtube videos on sub-ohming?

anybody trying to regulate vaping has likely stumbled accidentally onto one or more of those videos. and so far, the exploding ego batteries has given more fuel for their propaganda machine than sub-ohming.

i mean, sure some careless, self center people are going to rub some other people the wrong way with "massive clouds"... and i'm sure it's already happened. but...

The sub-ohm community are the only thngs that can hurt us any further lol

that's just BS no matter how you spin it. remove the word community and it's still just unfounded conjecture. your feelings and opinions do not make truth and/or fact simply because you feel that way.

 

[Cloud Junky]

Everyone in here has a piece of the puzzle, it is up to you to find where those pieces go!

 

[AndriaD]

And - to my mind - there is nothing worse to reply to a new member asking for a nice beginners setup than to say:

"Well, you absolutely have to get a (big huge unintelligible technical word / abbreviation) with a dual coil (big huge unintelligible technical word / abbreviation) made with (big huge unintelligible technical word / abbreviation) on a (big huge unintelligible technical word / abbreviation) mod."

Duh...

Heh.. like in my first week here, seeking everything I could learn about cigalikes, and someone pipes up that you just can't beat dripping {something} with a {something} followed by some number and that little greek symbol I've learned means "ohms"... like that?

I usually tell honestly-interested "newbies" to get an iTaste vv3 and a T3S... worked great for me, doesn't cost much, easy to use! At least until you use that tank for a couple weeks and need to do *something* to that coil... learning they don't last forever was a real eye-opener for me!

Andria

 

[angnjc]

I am in no way an expert in anything but I can and do try to read/research anything new I decide to try in the vaping world. What scares me the most with the new members is when I see a post.......

"I just started vaping 2 weeks ago and decided to get into mecs and drippers, so I bought a (original $1000 mech) and a (original $200 dripper) swung by the hobby store and picked up some nice pretty shiny wire, pulled the cotton out of my pillow, proceeded to build this awsome new double triple dragon nano micro twisted .00001 subohm coil and some c cell batteries and now it won't fire. What am I doing wrong???"

And the first reply is "did you check your coil with an ohm meter?"

Noobs reply....."But so and so on youtube said build it this way and you will get this ohm, why do I need one???"

We NEED to stop this nonsense and do more to point the new comers in the right direction. Nothing is wrong with mechs and subohming at all just as long as these people are educated enough to understand what is needed and how it all works.

Rant now over.

 

[AndriaD]

What a lot of folks don't seem to know, or remember, is that a battery stores *energy* -- if you have a battery with a high discharge rate, or with a high mAh rating, it's storing a LOT of energy -- it's like a little potential bomb in a metal/plastic covering that you can hold in your hand -- if anything happens inside that battery that's not supposed to happen, like being used in a device that draws way more than the battery can handle, then who the heck knows what will happen? At the very least, it may catch fire; at worst, it may blow up, and take any body part with it that it's near -- hand, face, whatever!

It says all this in the "Rechargeable Batteries" article in the ECF library. But READ??? Oh god forbid anyone should READ! That's too much like WORK! (tongue firmly in cheek at the illiterates who won't read, even though their life may well depend on it.) I suspect that's why now instead of that old-fashioned thing "written instructions" we have all these long-winded videos by guys who go "uh" every other word, and insist on giving "shout outs" to someone unknown even though those watching the video just want the instructions for whatever it is, but there aren't any instructions, so they have to watch the very lame video instead. I say "lame," even though some of them are helpful and informative -- Busardo's for example, but even he can't help but give his opinion of whatever it is, though that's certainly not part of "instructions." I really don't care how annoying he finds the rattly buttons on the vv3, I just wanted the skinny on how to operate it!

Can't we have written instructions for those of us who AREN'T afraid of reading? I realize the "big cloud hunters" probably won't read them; if they're stupid enough to try cloud chasing with the equivalent of a Duracell, well that just says it all, doesn't it? But some of us like the tried and true way of doing things -- all our school years were spent learning to READ THE INSTRUCTIONS and we even get tested on reading and following directions, so why does that have to change so much that not only are there now videos, there aren't any written instructions at all???

Andria

 

[Vermonster13]

Andria the search function is your friend. There is a lot of written information on this site. Battery info especially.

 

[AndriaD]

Andria the search function is your friend. There is a lot of written information on this site. Battery info especially.

Sure there is, and I've read it... but what about when I needed to learn to dry burn or rebuild coils? Someone in the Sigelei thread was kind enough to do a step-by-step pictorial for me, of rebuilding a protank coil, and that was extremely helpful -- pictures always help -- but not for the dry-burning, I had to watch a video for that. And it was helpful, not sure I could have learned how to do it without it -- but it was a rare to-the-point video, without all that "shout out" BS so many of them are prone to. And even with those rare really-helpful videos, just to watch a video I have to close down every single thing that's running on my computer, except my browser, and close every open tab on the browser, just so I can have enough free RAM to be able to view the video without the video jumping, stopping (while the sound goes on!), and generally being a huge pain to watch. I can't be the only person left with an old computer that doesn't have much video RAM.

Andria

 

[beckdg]

if anything happens inside that battery that's not supposed to happen, like being used in a device that draws way more than the battery can handle, then who the heck knows what will happen?

a lot more people than you realize. once you're done reading and can't further your understanding in written form, there are plenty of other medias available that can easily put that text into real world examples that said text is derived from to further your understanding with real world visual cues.

for me, personally, i garnish much better information from battery graphs and tests than i can from text. i question the interpretation of the person writing the text. with the graphs and tests, i can take from them real information and extrapolate it myself to get a first hand understanding rather than being spoon fed someone else's understanding.

i prefer a combination of written, spoken and real world applications, experiments and testing for a more complete understanding. that's just how i work.

 

[AndriaD]

a lot more people than you realize. once you're done reading and can't further your understanding in written form, there are plenty of other medias available that can easily put that text into real world examples that said text is derived from to further your understanding with real world visual cues.

for me, personally, i garnish much better information from battery graphs and tests than i can from text. i question the interpretation of the person writing the text. with the graphs and tests, i can take from them real information and extrapolate it myself to get a first hand understanding rather than being spoon fed someone else's understanding.

i prefer a combination of written, spoken and real world applications, experiments and testing for a more complete understanding. that's just how i work.

I totally get that, which is why I'd rather look at the satellite/doppler imagery myself on theweatherchannel.com, than listen to some pretty face tell me what the weather's going to be like. And yes, for something like the rebuild/dry-burn stuff, pictures at the very least are critical. But it would be nice, when I just want instructions on how to operate something, if there was a written source as well as video. Guess I'm just old-fashioned; I grew up with books, which have pictures alongside the text. The pictures are critical sometimes, but for the uninformed, sometimes don't say everything that needs to be said, which is why there's text too; the pics supplement the text, not vice-versa.

I expect that next year, when I can finally ditch this old XP Pro computer and get a new one, I'll have plenty of video ram and this will become a complete non-issue, or at least, my issue will only be with the obnoxious time-wasting shout-outs and not my very limited capacity for video viewing. But even so, I lament the passing of written instructions in favor of amateur video. Written instructions can and usually should have pictures; video makes a good supplement to that, but it should not be the only source of knowledge.

Andria

 

[Vermonster13]

That sounds like something to tell the manufacturers than the folks giving of their own time and posting it for free. The sponsored ones do the shout outs to keep the gear coming. Most things have a price.

 

[AndriaD]

That sounds like something to tell the manufacturers than the folks giving of their own time and posting it for free. The sponsored ones do the shout outs to keep the gear coming. Most things have a price.

Well, I dunno; the last one I tried to watch was one of Rip Tripper's, and he was giving someone a shout because it was their birthday. Nice for the birthday person I suppose, but an utter waste of time for the millions it's not addressed to.

Andria

 

[Lessifer]

Well, I dunno; the last one I tried to watch was one of Rip Tripper's, and he was giving someone a shout because it was their birthday. Nice for the birthday person I suppose, but an utter waste of time for the millions it's not addressed to.

Andria

There's your problem right there. When I first started, over a year ago, there were many um... older video posters who were very good about telling you what you needed to know, without all of the extra fluff and "entertainment." I'm not sure where they all went, but the popular ones now are about 1/3 promotion, 1/3 show, and 1/3 instruction and review. I really like Todd's reviews, he does do a little promoting, and gives his opinions, but he's not putting on a show.