Is nicotene itself actually harmful?

[suspectK]

Nicotine causes vascular restriction at the capillary level of blood vessels. If you are injured in any way and/or have cardiovascular problems, it won't help you get any better. Since the blood is restricted from flowing throughout tissues as it normally would, if you had a broken leg while using nicotine, you would heal at an extremely longer rate than if you didn't....Edit* didn't use nicotine, not that if you didn't have a broken leg, cuz obviously, you'll heal a broken leg a lot faster if it isn't broken.

When viewing Wikipedia, take into consideration that corroborated information will be cited.. Every page on the internet can be falsified just as much as Wikipedia. I'd rather sift through the bs that several people randomly spilled out on Wikipedia over a deranged group of people on private websites. It takes more than Wikipedia or another single source to confirm something that you can perceive as factual.

 

[Jack Pappas]

Nicotine causes vascular restriction at the capillary level of blood vessels. If you are injured in any way and/or have cardiovascular problems, it won't help you get any better. Since the blood is restricted from flowing throughout tissues as it normally would, if you had a broken leg while using nicotine, you would heal at an extremely longer rate than if you didn't....Edit* didn't use nicotine, not that if you didn't have a broken leg, cuz obviously, you'll heal a broken leg a lot faster if it isn't broken.

When viewing Wikipedia, take into consideration that corroborated information will be cited.. Every page on the internet can be falsified just as much as Wikipedia. I'd rather sift through the bs that several people randomly spilled out on Wikipedia over a deranged group of people on private websites. It takes more than Wikipedia or another single source to confirm something that you can perceive as factual.

This and a couple of other posts in this thead are the few that honestly address your question.
To this I will add that constricted blood vessels ALONG with high LDL cholesterol levels add to the likelyhood of arterial plaque buildup. In both the vessels of the heart AND the brain.

But likely no more then caffeine.

 

[WarHawk-AVG]

Nicotine causes vascular restriction at the capillary level of blood vessels. If you are injured in any way and/or have cardiovascular problems, it won't help you get any better. Since the blood is restricted from flowing throughout tissues as it normally would, if you had a broken leg while using nicotine, you would heal at an extremely longer rate than if you didn't....Edit* didn't use nicotine, not that if you didn't have a broken leg, cuz obviously, you'll heal a broken leg a lot faster if it isn't broken.

When viewing Wikipedia, take into consideration that corroborated information will be cited.. Every page on the internet can be falsified just as much as Wikipedia. I'd rather sift through the bs that several people randomly spilled out on Wikipedia over a deranged group of people on private websites. It takes more than Wikipedia or another single source to confirm something that you can perceive as factual.

Agreed on healing...

What are the effects of elevated carbon monoxide in the blood stream in reference to wounds, healing, or child development? If it's dangerous even in the short term...what will it do to you if you maintain those levels for decades?

Health Effects | Carbon Monoxide | US EPA
http://www.masimo.com/pdf/clinical/...boxyhemoglobin-levels-in-smokers-nov-2007.pdf
Carbon Monoxide: A Fact Sheet

I do agree nicotine is not a safe chemical...just like caffeine

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9110108
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12791529

Definitely need more investigation

 

[ScottP]

Other than of course being addictive, does it cause health issues? I read in the ECF library section that it apparently doesn't.

My mother, who is a RN, thinks that it raises blood pressure.

I personally feel it is so much healthier than what I did before, it isn't really relevant, if it is a concern, I suppose I might switch to non nicotene juices someday.

I occassionally have high blood pressure issues already and she is a bit worried it could make it worse. (The joys of having a mom who is a nurse lol)

OK let's play the "What am I?" game:

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I am a commonly used substance that stimulates the central nervous system.
Normal use of me can cause:
insomnia
anxiety
sweating
fear
restlessness
irritability
feelings of being "on edge."
irregular heart rate
heart palpitations
a short, but dramatic increase in your blood pressure
and I am toxic in doses (over 1 gram for an average adult)

Using me during pregnancy can cause birth defects, pre-term labor, low-birth weight, and increased risk of miscarriage.

When a person ceases to use me, they may develop withdrawal symptoms.

What am I?
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If you guessed caffeine then you would be right.

 

[ScottP]

What does the FDA say about Long term nicotine use in other nicotine replacement therapies?

https://www.federalregister.gov/art...erapy-products-for-over-the-counter-human-use

We (the FDA) have reviewed the published literature on this longer-term use of NRT products and have not identified any safety risks associated with such use. A well-known and highly regarded study on the effects of long-term use of NRT products is the Lung Health Study, in which almost 6,000 smokers were given access to free nicotine gum for up to 5 years (see Murray et al., 1996). In this study, over 1,000 subjects were still using the gum after 1 year. The adverse effects of long-term nicotine gum use reported by these subjects were described as minor and transient, and there was no correlation between long-term gum use and cardiovascular events. A followup study found that long-term ad lib use of nicotine gum neither increased nor decreased the Lung Health Study subjects' likelihood of developing cancer.

 

[ScottP]

Promotes Heart Disease by causing veins and arteries to constrict. Hasnt been found to cause cancer like other cigarette chemicals. Also deady in large amounts.

Source? The report I linked from the FDA seems to refute your first two sentences and water is deadly in large amounts. Not to mention sugar, salt, caffeine, and pretty much everything else.

 

[jeffsm3]

Here's my take.. I'm a paramedic and a respiratory therapist and the information I have learned is through patients and hours of studying.

The AMOUNT of nicotine you ingest CAN play a part in your health. It has been thought to play a role in the sympathetic and parasympathetic systems of the body. You have nicotinic receptors in your body that cause a myriad of different things some good some bad. Similar to caffeine. It's also thought that nic chemically broken down has a good side and bad side similar to the HULK! RAAWWRR!! This is where the studies on Alzheimer's and such are being done. Things are being extracted to help with memory function. This is being done because it's been found that a HUGE percent of smokers (nic intake) are not getting Alzheimer's. Wow! A good thing about smoking?!! BUT mayb it's cuz the other 8gazzillion things are killing us first.

Anyhooo.. Nic does NOT cause heart disease or any of that junk but it DOES or CAN aid in it.. For instance.. You smoke 2 pad, and you gotta have your Starbucks foo foo drink everyday (which has as much calories as a Big Mac) you also have your Big Mac everyday because your the embodiment of stellar health.. Then for dinner you pound down a nice med rare side of cow. Bacon for breakfast because.... Well it's bacon and delicious!! The cause you LDL to jump as high as a falsetto. Which caused plaque and fatty deposits in your vessels.. Nic can increase your blood pressure and if you skyrocket your blood pressure by constricting those vessels? Can you guess what happens next?

BAM!! Heart attack, stroke, or one of many other problems.. So to sum it up. Eat somewhat healthy, don't smoke, drink water, enjoy your vape because were all gonna go at some point. Nic isn't great for you but it's really not all that bad either. (Don't drink pure nic you will die) all this can be debated and this is just my personal experience/learning/opinion. So vape on my friends.

 

[cjsaxman]

Your RN mother would rather you smoke? At that point, she has no business working in the medical industry, and her opinion isn't worth jack.


This is from the FDA, and essentially says that long term use of nicotine has, in their terms, "few adverse events".

https://www.federalregister.gov/art...erapy-products-for-over-the-counter-human-use

There are also articles about benefits of nicotine.

Discovery Health "How can nicotine be good for me?"

and

Researchers Investigate (Horrors!) Nicotine's Potential Benefits - New York Times

Personally, I think for best possible health and lowest possible risk, you don't want to smoke or vape. However, compared to smoking, vaping is a clear winner and anyone arguing that you shouldn't bother to vape because it isn't healthy is completely clueless.

Oh no no no, she wouldn't rather me smoke, she'd rather me be off nicotene altogether.

 

[Recon Number 54]

OK let's play the "What am I?" game:

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If you guessed caffeine then you would be right.

I was going to say Pro-Wrestling but caffeine was my second choice!

 

[bluecat]

OK let's play the "What am I?" game:

----------------------------------------------
I am a commonly used substance that stimulates the central nervous system.
Normal use of me can cause:
insomnia
anxiety
sweating
fear
restlessness
irritability
feelings of being "on edge."
irregular heart rate
heart palpitations
a short, but dramatic increase in your blood pressure
and I am toxic in doses (over 1 gram for an average adult)

Using me during pregnancy can cause birth defects, pre-term labor, low-birth weight, and increased risk of miscarriage.

When a person ceases to use me, they may develop withdrawal symptoms.

What am I?
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If you guessed caffeine then you would be right.

If you guessed nicotine you would also be correct. Nicotine and caffeine are both stimulants.

Caffeine 250-500 mgs to a person never exposed would start feeling the effects of overdose.

Nicotine Lethal at 40-60 mgs.

Both can be absorbed through the skin.

 

[bluecat]

Here's my take.. I'm a paramedic and a respiratory therapist and the information I have learned is through patients and hours of studying.

The AMOUNT of nicotine you ingest CAN play a part in your health. It has been thought to play a role in the sympathetic and parasympathetic systems of the body. You have nicotinic receptors in your body that cause a myriad of different things some good some bad. Similar to caffeine. It's also thought that nic chemically broken down has a good side and bad side similar to the HULK! RAAWWRR!! This is where the studies on Alzheimer's and such are being done. Things are being extracted to help with memory function. This is being done because it's been found that a HUGE percent of smokers (nic intake) are not getting Alzheimer's. Wow! A good thing about smoking?!! BUT mayb it's cuz the other 8gazzillion things are killing us first.

Anyhooo.. Nic does NOT cause heart disease or any of that junk but it DOES or CAN aid in it.. For instance.. You smoke 2 pad, and you gotta have your Starbucks foo foo drink everyday (which has as much calories as a Big Mac) you also have your Big Mac everyday because your the embodiment of stellar health.. Then for dinner you pound down a nice med rare side of cow. Bacon for breakfast because.... Well it's bacon and delicious!! The cause you LDL to jump as high as a falsetto. Which caused plaque and fatty deposits in your vessels.. Nic can increase your blood pressure and if you skyrocket your blood pressure by constricting those vessels? Can you guess what happens next?

BAM!! Heart attack, stroke, or one of many other problems.. So to sum it up. Eat somewhat healthy, don't smoke, drink water, enjoy your vape because were all gonna go at some point. Nic isn't great for you but it's really not all that bad either. (Don't drink pure nic you will die) all this can be debated and this is just my personal experience/learning/opinion. So vape on my friends.

Choose your poisons throughout life. To ignore the fact that nicotine is a stimulant though is just silly. Moderation is the key.

 

[tj99959]

Ah, nicotine is OK, just be careful of the dihydrogen monoxide that's in your juice .......... very dangerous stuff!

There isn't a person on earth that doesn't have nicotine in their system.

 

[CommaHolly]

Nicotine can also make it more difficult to heal properly.

Many doctors won't do unnecessary surgery if you are on any form of nicotine.

Obviously, it's much much better than smoking, however, I think we can agree on that.

 

[billo]

Everyone says that nicotine raises blood presssure. But by how much ? 1%, 5%, 20 % ???

Obviously it makes a difference, since 1% is hardly anything to worry about much.

However, after searching, I could find NO information on a particular number. Just vague statements about elevated pressure.

Since I have my own blood pressure meter, I tried experimenting by "chain vaping" for several minutes and measuring blood pressure before and after. I could see no measurable difference. (Readings vary by several percent randomly so it's hard to see any small change.)
I know this is not very scientific, but it still makes me wonder.

 

[Robino1]

Wikipedia is a joke.

How the body reacts to anything is a personal thing. It depends on the Individual that is using whatever product. Mr. Robin cannot have caffeine, it makes his heart race. I, on the other hand like having my caffeine in the morning.

For some INDIVIDUALS, nicotine can be a problem. Only you and your doctor can figure that out. For others, the nicotine helps with their ADD or ADHD. It totally depends on the person.

The only thing I am sure of, I like me with nic At This Time in my life. Without nic......not a good person to be around. But, I am managing to cut my nic back in a reasonable way so that grumpy Robin does not raise her ugly little head. I do not want a government entity to force me to do it their way. I'm managing to do it successfully in a way that IS working for me.

 

[Robino1]

Everyone says that nicotine raises blood presssure. But by how much ? 1%, 5%, 20 % ???

Obviously it makes a difference, since 1% is hardly anything to worry about much.

However, after searching, I could find NO information on a particular number. Just vague statements about elevated pressure.

Since I have my own blood pressure meter, I tried experimenting by "chain vaping" for several minutes and measuring blood pressure before and after. I could see no measurable difference. (Readings vary by several percent randomly so it's hard to see any small change.)
I know this is not very scientific, but it still makes me wonder.

There's that personal thing again. For you, it might not do anything to your blood pressure. If it isn't raising or lowering it, great! Why worry then? Hell, worrying about something raises blood pressure.......for some people. <--- another individualized statement.

 

[Baldr]

Many doctors won't do unnecessary surgery if you are on any form of nicotine.

I'm trying to wrap my head around this. "I don't need surgery, it isn't necessary, but I still want that doctor to slice me open. Think of it as a hobby. I quit the nicotine because he told me that as long as I was using nicotine he wouldn't do it."

 

[Sane Asylum]

This is an interesting discussion and if anything, it demonstrates the lack of information, misinformation and inaccuracies out there. What I have discovered in my own 'googling' is that there is an awful lot of websites that use the words smoking, tobacco and nicotine interchangeably. Also, they seem to copy from other websites without investigating the accuracy of the information. Because of this, you can't always take what is being stated as fact.

One of the most often used statements about nicotine is that it constricts blood vessels. What I would like to know is how much, what studies have been done? That information I haven't been able to find.

Elevating blood pressure is another generalized statement with no detail. I did find one study that there wasn't a significant rise but if your pressure is high to begin with, it may be a concern. This was a while ago and I don't have the link.

As for elective surgery, many plastic surgeons will not operate unless you have stopped all nicotine at least four weeks before and after because they claim that because it constricts blood vessels, it affects the healing process (back to my question of how much, etc.). However, it's interesting that there are studies being done in which patients are given nicotine patches after surgery because its ability to decrease pain. Confusing, no?

With all this said, is nicotine any worse than many of the medicines prescribed by physicians everyday? I don't know, but if you every see some these medications advertised on TV with the list of possible side effects given, it's downright scary at times.

I think the vast majority of us here would love to be nicotine free and probably most of us are striving for that. I just wish that more of the information that is being given to us by medical professionals, government agencies and legitimate organizations was more accurate and unbiased.

 

[EvilZoe]

Oh no no no, she wouldn't rather me smoke, she'd rather me be off nicotene altogether.

Well, I would ask her, "Would you rather my attempt to stop smoking actually WORK or just fail in a short time?"

That should put paid to her worries.

 

[EvilZoe]

I'm trying to wrap my head around this. "I don't need surgery, it isn't necessary, but I still want that doctor to slice me open. Think of it as a hobby. I quit the nicotine because he told me that as long as I was using nicotine he wouldn't do it."

i.e. boob job