I'm actually lined up with a bone MD who won't operate on a smoker. I wonder how he will react to a vaper. Funny how that works isn't it...
Is nicotene itself actually harmful?
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Great thread! Few things are as simple as we wish they were. At least, as someone said, we vapers now have a plan that surely greatly reduces harm over smoking. And if not, well.....we sure tried!
If Joan Rivers has one more procedure done, she's going to look funny with a goatee.
The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits -- Albert Einstein
I vote breast enlargement! What, you said "elective"There are many surgeries you are better off having,,,,,,,,but aren't completely necessary. Breast reduction,,,,,,,placement of a cochlear implant, etc,,,,,,
I probably used the wrong word,,,,,elective would have been a better word
Dang, I drink Pepsi like a madwoman and my BP is normal whenever it's checked, the last time I finished off my soda just before my appointment. My entire family has high BP but me which is weird because I was a smoker and they're not. Funny how things work out. I can also drink one five mins before bedtime and go right to sleep whereas my brother is wired all night if he drinks one early in the afternoon.
The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits -- Albert Einstein
I will reply to this, because I come from a family with a medical background and also have worked in the medical field myself, and yes, I am an avid vaper. Nicotine does have harmful effects, but in mass quantities. You can suffer from a lethal dose (50mg in a single dose will kill you). Yes, it does constrict blood vessels and cause blood pressure to rise. Have you experienced being "Nic'd out"? You get cold sweats and the shakes, kind of like having too much by drinking too much coffee, or soda. The truth is, anything overdone can be harmful. Too much exercise, too much sugar, too much dairy, too much water, etc. Get the point? Anything in moderation is fine, including nicotine intake.
If Joan Rivers has one more procedure done, she's going to look funny with a goatee.
The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits -- Albert Einstein
I would pay to see that
This is the best question of the thread...
Basically, we don't have to have the anti-smokers campaigning against us if we are doing it for them.
Let's take the time to look up the information in credible sources. then take the time to actually check it your self.
When I smoked, My BP was 190/95
If I stopped for 2 days, it went down to 130/80... which I thought was pretty good for an inactive person.
When I vape, my BP is 140/90
20 min after I vape it's 116/65....
so I conclude that Yes, vaping (probably the nicotine) raises my blood pressure. Temporarily.
I am healthier than when I smoked, therefore I conclude that Vaping is healthier.
Another point to mention most of the studies done, in regards to nicotine, were done with Smoking nicotine. Not nicotine by itself. At the time, smoking was the only way nicotine was being delivered to the body. I also wouldn't put it past doctors to try and scare an individual into quitting smoking.
True story:
When I was in my early 30's I had a chest X-ray done. The doctor said I needed to quit smoking because he saw a spot of emphysema on one of my lungs. This was my first visit to him since my regular doctor had moved away. I basically filed the information into the back of my brain. But it did start my quest, somewhat, to become smoke free.
Since seeing this doctor, whom I never went back to (he just didn't feel like a good fit), I've had many chest X-rays. Not one other doctor mentioned anything about any spots on my lungs.
Yeah, I do believe there are doctors that will try to scare you into quitting smoking. I don't trust many doctors and will always get a second or third opinion. What I hate is finally finding a doctor that you feel comfortable with, then work changes insurance companies and the doctor is not in the new group. Ugh!
True story:
When I was in my early 30's I had a chest X-ray done. The doctor said I needed to quit smoking because he saw a spot of emphysema on one of my lungs. This was my first visit to him since my regular doctor had moved away. I basically filed the information into the back of my brain. But it did start my quest, somewhat, to become smoke free.
Since seeing this doctor, whom I never went back to (he just didn't feel like a good fit), I've had many chest X-rays. Not one other doctor mentioned anything about any spots on my lungs.
Yeah, I do believe there are doctors that will try to scare you into quitting smoking. I don't trust many doctors and will always get a second or third opinion. What I hate is finally finding a doctor that you feel comfortable with, then work changes insurance companies and the doctor is not in the new group. Ugh!
A lot of the studies that you will get a lot of this information from will be pure nicotine with animals. I'm not saying there aren't good studies with humans, but with animals, scientists have the option to go a little deeper than just scans and vital checks.
I'm not going to go into doctor incompetence.. I could get into trouble, a few different ways, by getting on that topic related to myself.
I'm not going to go into doctor incompetence.. I could get into trouble, a few different ways, by getting on that topic related to myself.
Back when I first started smoking at 18 and out of the house on my own, my non-smoking Mom was concerned naturally, and felt that I needed to go talk to our family doctor. So, I set up an appointment with him to please her. Of course, he gave me all the health reasons about why I needed to quit then and it was pretty obvious my Mom had a long discussion with him prior to my appointment.
One day later...he comes to the Exxon I was working at to fill up his motorcycle and walks up to the window to pay while...smoking a cigarette. He was so embarrassed to get caught out especially after all of HIS advice to me. Do as I say, not as I do? And that was the day when my mistrust of doctors began...since then I have trusted three, maybe...
One day later...he comes to the Exxon I was working at to fill up his motorcycle and walks up to the window to pay while...smoking a cigarette. He was so embarrassed to get caught out especially after all of HIS advice to me. Do as I say, not as I do? And that was the day when my mistrust of doctors began...since then I have trusted three, maybe...
Why I like my doc. He tells me like it is. Then I choose to listen or not.
I have told him no before and said I will live or die with the consequences.
Back when I first started smoking at 18 and out of the house on my own, my non-smoking Mom was concerned naturally, and felt that I needed to go talk to our family doctor. So, I set up an appointment with him to please her. Of course, he gave me all the health reasons about why I needed to quit then and it was pretty obvious my Mom had a long discussion with him prior to my appointment.
One day later...he comes to the Exxon I was working at to fill up his motorcycle and walks up to the window to pay while...smoking a cigarette. He was so embarrassed to get caught out especially after all of HIS advice to me. Do as I say, not as I do? And that was the day when my mistrust of doctors began...since then I have trusted three, maybe...
He didn't give you bad advice. Smoking is bad for you. Not smoking would have been much healthier for you. You would have saved a lot of money by not smoking.
I advised a bunch of people (my kids, friends kids, etc) not to smoke while I was smoking. I still do. I don't encourage them to vape, either, but I'd rather them start vaping than start smoking.
To me, the only thing the doctor in your story did wrong was smoking at a gas station.
True fact: Breathing oxygen for ~80 years has been shown to result in death.
Breathing tofu would result in an earlier death and everyone knows tofu is good for you.
Wiki shouldn't be considered the last word on anything, but it's a great starting place on most things. It's updated regularly, and while people can edit it and put nonsense, like what you posted, that nonsense doesn't tend to last long. The pic you posted may have never been public. Anyone could do that on their own computer without it ever actually getting posted to wiki. Most likely, they edited it, posted it, screen shot it, and the page was fixed within minutes.
Try it sometime. Make a BS edit to a wiki page and watch how long before it gets corrected.
Agreed. Zany-morbid humor aside, I think Wikipedia gets a bit of a bad rap. It's not a good source to cite for academic work, but that's a pretty high standard. If you're just looking to get an at-a-glance understanding of a new topic, or if you're just interested in an easy and quick refresher, the wiki can't be beat. Presumably if you're looking for more than that, then you already have the requisite knowledge to find more creditable sources.
Certainly I don't think wikipedia's insufficient for a casual internet discussion. If there's a reason to doubt what it says, then fine, but there usually isn't.
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