Adjustment increments don't make a bit of difference, if someone thinks they can set it and forget it and get the best vape.
Is Provape in danger of becoming like Blackberry?
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I wanted more (i.e. the smok BEC or Evic Supreme with Provari build quality), but I have no doubt it will be the most solidly built PV available. If they can keep the price competitive, I may still be interested but I have a feeling it will cost more than the Provari so it probably won't be for me.
You can get away with this while the industry is growing, but I don't think the effort will cut it when the market matures. At one time, Provari was a leader but those times are gone.
You can get away with this while the industry is growing, but I don't think the effort will cut it when the market matures. At one time, Provari was a leader but those times are gone.
I agree that very small increments in watt regulation are useless, ( for me anyway). In voltage regulation small increments are important.
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Regardless of which stance you have on the Provari 3, I think we can all agree that this thread is going nowhere lol.
I haven't read all the responses yet, but my view is no, they aren't in danger. I do not own a ProVari (it is a dream set up for me, maybe some day in the future. I do love the new v3). While I don't like their exclusivity thing with the B&Ms for a release, I can see the point. Since I don't buy B&M I think it's a bad move, lol. However, I also kind of think it is a bad move in general because even though it's nice to have B&Ms that have such advanced equipment, most of us buy online, and the average starter walking into a B&M isn't that likely to buy an advanced PV. Some might, but not the volume I think Provari would see from an online new release.
That aside, as far as the watt level goes, I think that reads into Provari's safety first line. Yes, there are a lot of vapers that go well beyond 10, 15 and 20 watts, that doesn't necessarily make it a great idea. I think Provari is a fantastic brand and will go on for quite awhile as a hallmark of regulated mods.
That aside, as far as the watt level goes, I think that reads into Provari's safety first line. Yes, there are a lot of vapers that go well beyond 10, 15 and 20 watts, that doesn't necessarily make it a great idea. I think Provari is a fantastic brand and will go on for quite awhile as a hallmark of regulated mods.
Where could this thread have gone? You have people like me that think it's silly to make a high end mod that only goes to 20w and you've got people like Dirk who think the new Provari will be the greatest thing since sliced bread.
That's how most Provari threads break down. Some people are fine with clearos and single-coil RTAs, some people are not. Those who are not aren't much interested in any Provape offering, since they have specifically decided that they will not cater to that crowd.
It's a business decision, just like mech makers who limit their runs to 500 pieces or whatever is in vogue these days. Some will think it's a great idea, others will say it's dumb as hell.
That's how most Provari threads break down. Some people are fine with clearos and single-coil RTAs, some people are not. Those who are not aren't much interested in any Provape offering, since they have specifically decided that they will not cater to that crowd.
It's a business decision, just like mech makers who limit their runs to 500 pieces or whatever is in vogue these days. Some will think it's a great idea, others will say it's dumb as hell.
Hey guys keep cool. Provape is saying, that this is a BETA release to B&M only. They WANT/NEED vapers opinions. It is not bashing or trolling to point out perceived faults/weaknesses/errors/..etc in a BETA release.
This is the time to talk to Provape. We can be sure they are monitoring ecf and the Provari threads and that maybe, ( although I dont think so), they will react accordingly. After all they listened and gave you VW, even after all those requesting it were being called trolls and worst by some provari owners, ( probably only by fanboys ).
As mentionned earlier it is also ok to say that you love the new P3 as it is offered. That the reported limitations are not limitations to your kind of vaping and the B&M only availability is ok with you . I can understand that too and so does Provape I am sure.
A very shrewd move on their part, and you have to hand it to them: It would be unprofitable for a Chinese company to clone it. Congrats, Provape, you have built something that is un-clonable.
I like seeing my speedometer capable of showing 120 mph. Kinda depressing if you have a car that will only display up to 85 mph. I know I would probably never drive 120mph, but it's cool to know I have that headroom.
It will be interesting if Provape make any changes based on feedback, though. I have hopes that they will heed the negative, not just the sycophants.
I like seeing my speedometer capable of showing 120 mph. Kinda depressing if you have a car that will only display up to 85 mph. I know I would probably never drive 120mph, but it's cool to know I have that headroom.
It will be interesting if Provape make any changes based on feedback, though. I have hopes that they will heed the negative, not just the sycophants.
The Provari was made to give users a consistant vaping experience and that's what they do. I agree with the poster who pointed out that if Provape had given it 30 watts it still would have caused a thread just like this one. Provape isn't concerned with sub-ohming as that isn't what vaping was initially created to do, not mainstream vaping anyway. It's a means to help quit cigarettes. Buy what you want and that which compliments your vaping style. A cliche saying is, "as long as it keeps you off cigarettes" seems to be the bottom line. With the world of vaping being called into question by the FDA why would Provape want to create a device that blows wads of vapor? I mean at 20 watts that is still possible....This thread has turned into finger pointing and personal attacks that really don't help or support the OP's initial post.
I realize what you mean by mainstream vaping. By saying that, you change the nature of the first part of your sentence. But I must clarify the thinking that this thing we do was created to get people off cigarettes. Nope. It was created to get around smoking bans in bars, etc. That's why cigalikes were all you could find at the beginning. As is typical of us humans, we take the intended use of something and convert it to something that is far more profitable. So people can continue to do unhealthy things guilt-free (or at least we fool ourselves into thinking so). Zero-calorie sugar, anyone?
There was a time when ecigs were not allowed to be marketed as a smoking cessation device. That would have subjected them to a different FDA purview. It's a nice side-effect, but not the intended use.
Maybe, but I don't think so.
I thought 30 would be a given for the P3, and 50 was a possibility. Never thought they'd limit it to 20.
As I mentioned earlier, you don't need to be a cloud chaser to vape above 20 watts.
Relax bud. This was just his overview and yes in a sense a commercial. His actual indepth review will be on the release version not the beta version which isn't out yet. He did what provape gave him permission to do. Even so it's not good form to base a full review on an unfinished version.
They haven't lived up to the hype. I think the Vaporshark rDNA30 is a much better device by all standarts. Long live ProVape, but to me they've been dead for a LONG time
I'm actually considering one for the first time now that it supports 3 battery sizes! 20W is plenty for me, I rarely vape over 10W.
The mini always supported 3 battery sizes, I believe. You just had to buy each piece separately. Now, they're including them (and will be charging for it).
I don't think that aspect has been mentioned, but IMO it's also a strange move. Folks that only want to use 18350's (for example) are paying for items they may never utilize. The individual component aspect was always a plus to me.
That's an interesting opinion, but i assume Hon Lik's goal when designing the first e-cig, immediately after losing his father to lung cancer, was NOT because he wanted to smoke in bars....
That's the rub: the only people that will notice a difference between 20W and 30W are those that are using some version of a dual-coil RTA, like the Aqua or the Orchid . Otherwise, 20W is more than enough for your Kayfun, and 30W isn't enough for a cloud-chaser.
People are making way too much noise over this. They would have had to go to 50 for a big usability increase, and that would have, by necessity (you need thicker interconnects to carry higher current), changed the form factor of the mod.
It looked and sounded like paid advertisement.
An independant reviewer worth his salt, ( and my confidence), doing a ''first look'' of a BETA model for his audience should have the honesty of mentionning weaknesses/omissions/potential problems area ....etc. He/She should not be a mouthpiece of any manufacturer.
You say '' Even so it's not good form to base a full review on an unfinished version '' . This was identified as a ''first look'' not a full review we all understand that. Is it not the objective here to give an honest opinion of this ''unfinished version'' . We dont want soldout/paidfor reviews except when they are identified as such. This one was not, but it sure sounded one sided and like a commercial.
Edit: In fact imo PB is an honest guy. He just could not refuse to be the first reviewer with a ''first look" video out of the P3 and he agreed to be muzzled. It simply gave the wrong impression...
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That's an interesting opinion, but i assume Hon Lik's goal when designing the first e-cig, immediately after losing his father to lung cancer, was NOT because he wanted to smoke in bars....
Exactly. In China you can pretty much smoke wherever you please. A friend was in China recently and someone lit up a cigarette in an elevator.
Perhaps that should be defeats your entire reason for building sub-ohm coils. I can vape low res coils to the max amp limit (actually slightly above) or the max watt limit with a higher res coil. If I want to vape outside of those perimeters, I use a mechanical. But that's me vaping, not you. I have vaped very high watts, but it's not something I like doing on a regular basis, so I won't be buying a high wattage device.
I'm glad you found something you like that keeps you from smoking. I venture to say that if the P3 doesn't meet your needs, you are not their target consumer.
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