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Is Provape in danger of becoming like Blackberry?
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Trying to please the sub ohm vaping enthusiasts is clearly not relevant to Provape, as they aim to please typical vapers with ultimate safety and consistent excellent performance. It makes good sense now and under future regulatory constraints. This is a business that is built for the long haul and the majority of vapers.
I don't think catering to a small group of hobbyists who continually push the safety limits of batteries is a good long term business approach at all. I expect that around the $250 price point, this will be a very successful device that completely satisfies most vapers while hobbyists chase the next big thing.
I don't think catering to a small group of hobbyists who continually push the safety limits of batteries is a good long term business approach at all. I expect that around the $250 price point, this will be a very successful device that completely satisfies most vapers while hobbyists chase the next big thing.
3-4 years from now, today's entire vaping population will represent a very small percentage of the market. I think Provape is fully aware of that, and I'm pretty sure they'll be just fine.
Five people I know are still struggling with the disposable krap from B&M's, not even aware of the higher end market that many of us travel in. And these are people that have been vaping for close to a year.
A Provari to them would be like a teenage boy's first brothel. And they would know what to do with a 20 watt limit as much as they'd know what to do in the aforementioned brothel.
Five people I know are still struggling with the disposable krap from B&M's, not even aware of the higher end market that many of us travel in. And these are people that have been vaping for close to a year.
A Provari to them would be like a teenage boy's first brothel. And they would know what to do with a 20 watt limit as much as they'd know what to do in the aforementioned brothel.
And to comment to no one in particular, you can sub-ohm with the current ProVari. Granted, it's not cloud contest territory, but anything <1Ω is sub-ohm. Mine all fire just fine at .9Ω.
This thread has certainly taken some interesting twists and turns...
In the end it's all about what the user is going to want. Those that want low ohms or high watts, won't want the P3. Those that are content with moderate watts nd moderate ohms will be fine with it. I do think that Provapes price leap over the current lineup is a bit extreme.
I've noticed a lot of folks comparing ProVari owners to the largest market demograph which consists of eGo users. This comparison may be accurate, but it's also flawed in that eGo users would probably reel back in horror at the price tag of the P3 compared to their spinner. I like to subohm, but I also prefer my resistance around 1.2-1.6 which is a good range for the P3. Heck it's just barely enough to pull out of my current Provari. Would I buy a P3? Sure, but the pricetag is a bit of a stalling point given what it offers. People will buy it, people will love it, but what Provape will not gain en masse are converts.
In the end it's all about what the user is going to want. Those that want low ohms or high watts, won't want the P3. Those that are content with moderate watts nd moderate ohms will be fine with it. I do think that Provapes price leap over the current lineup is a bit extreme.
I've noticed a lot of folks comparing ProVari owners to the largest market demograph which consists of eGo users. This comparison may be accurate, but it's also flawed in that eGo users would probably reel back in horror at the price tag of the P3 compared to their spinner. I like to subohm, but I also prefer my resistance around 1.2-1.6 which is a good range for the P3. Heck it's just barely enough to pull out of my current Provari. Would I buy a P3? Sure, but the pricetag is a bit of a stalling point given what it offers. People will buy it, people will love it, but what Provape will not gain en masse are converts.
If you could actually equate the wattage of an analogue cigarette in vapor, I wonder what it would be?
I bet it wouldn't come anywhere near to 20 watts.
I'm wondering if half of the devices out there will meet FDA 'approval' if regulation kicks in?
You can bet your bottom Dollar that Provape have thought about considerations like this when they were designing the P3.
I bet it wouldn't come anywhere near to 20 watts.
I'm wondering if half of the devices out there will meet FDA 'approval' if regulation kicks in?
You can bet your bottom Dollar that Provape have thought about considerations like this when they were designing the P3.
1 year ago I was using a spinner at about 3.5 volts and it was fine. Eventually I moved to VV/VW devices with Aspires, Kangers, and the Nautilus at around 9 watts and it was fine. Lately I've discoverd the Aspire BVC's with my Nautilus and now vape at 13 - 15 Watts.
I don't build my own coils, but the coil manufacturers are starting to do that for me. Kanger already has sub-ohm coils available. In another 6 months Aspire will probably have a new coil that tastes best at 25 watts. Heck, the Joytech Delta Tank (and coils) are already available and designed to be used at up to 26 watts - and they're very good from what I've heard.
The point is not just about sub-ohm cloud chasing builders. It will soon be about your average vapor that finds 20 watts isn't enough for the coils that are available.
There's no way I'm going to spend +$200 on a device that might not be able to handle the pre-built tanks/coils that I like in a few months. And I'm sure there's many other non-build your own coil vapers that feel the same way.
Many have said "don't like it, don't buy it" and "provape is going for a certain segment". That's true and that's the whole point of the thread, so those that have said that are merely agreeing with the OP. Provape has decided that they don't want to sell to a growing segment of the vapor world. Some think it's shortsighted and apparently some don't.
I don't build my own coils, but the coil manufacturers are starting to do that for me. Kanger already has sub-ohm coils available. In another 6 months Aspire will probably have a new coil that tastes best at 25 watts. Heck, the Joytech Delta Tank (and coils) are already available and designed to be used at up to 26 watts - and they're very good from what I've heard.
The point is not just about sub-ohm cloud chasing builders. It will soon be about your average vapor that finds 20 watts isn't enough for the coils that are available.
There's no way I'm going to spend +$200 on a device that might not be able to handle the pre-built tanks/coils that I like in a few months. And I'm sure there's many other non-build your own coil vapers that feel the same way.
Many have said "don't like it, don't buy it" and "provape is going for a certain segment". That's true and that's the whole point of the thread, so those that have said that are merely agreeing with the OP. Provape has decided that they don't want to sell to a growing segment of the vapor world. Some think it's shortsighted and apparently some don't.
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They're incapable of adapting in the future? You need to give them more credit.
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re: future regulatory moves--this is a company that finishes metal tubes and then unsolders two wires from a chip. look at their PBusardo 'factory tour' videos.
the Provari fan club here seems to be AMAZED! at this company, and genuinely unaware of all the devices available today.
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re: future regulatory moves--this is a company that finishes metal tubes and then unsolders two wires from a chip. look at their PBusardo 'factory tour' videos.
the Provari fan club here seems to be AMAZED! at this company, and genuinely unaware of all the devices available today.
Betamax/VHS with provari as Betamax is a good analogy .
That proprietary threading is a major let down for vapers who were thinking about buying a provari, ( as I was), and already are well stocked with hardware that will not fit the P3 threading. Provape included a very nice adapter so that 501 threading fits. How will that effect the efficiency ? I dont like adapters.
I really enjoy using different atomizers. The atty makes a bigger difference in my vaping experience than the tube or box to which it is attached. ( as long as the tube/box can meet the power requirement of the atomizer ).
This is another reason why I am left with having to wait for a P4, or maybe a P3.1
..... and to answer the op's question; yes, IMO, with the P3, Provape is taking the same path that Blackberry followed. A fast read of this thread shows the discontent of vapers with the P3 and although many Provape die hards will buy the P3 and renew their atomisers I think few others will follow.
.... To all Provape fans: This is not a Provape bashing thread. Provape states that the P3 is in a Beta phase . They want vapers' feedback. This is the proper time to tell Provape what we think of their offering. To report that you are satisfied with the P3 is good, to report what you dont like or what is a deal breaker is also ok.
That proprietary threading is a major let down for vapers who were thinking about buying a provari, ( as I was), and already are well stocked with hardware that will not fit the P3 threading. Provape included a very nice adapter so that 501 threading fits. How will that effect the efficiency ? I dont like adapters.
I really enjoy using different atomizers. The atty makes a bigger difference in my vaping experience than the tube or box to which it is attached. ( as long as the tube/box can meet the power requirement of the atomizer ).
This is another reason why I am left with having to wait for a P4, or maybe a P3.1
..... and to answer the op's question; yes, IMO, with the P3, Provape is taking the same path that Blackberry followed. A fast read of this thread shows the discontent of vapers with the P3 and although many Provape die hards will buy the P3 and renew their atomisers I think few others will follow.
.... To all Provape fans: This is not a Provape bashing thread. Provape states that the P3 is in a Beta phase . They want vapers' feedback. This is the proper time to tell Provape what we think of their offering. To report that you are satisfied with the P3 is good, to report what you dont like or what is a deal breaker is also ok.
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My take : they do have some innovative features in there, like the IQ system (very good idea if the execution is done right) and maybe hotspot or whatever they call it.
But they seriously harm themselves by not going up to 30W and having an amp limit that low.
Are 20W sufficient for a large portion of vapers ?
Yes, probably for the people still using a Provari right now.
How many other vapers might have considered a P3 if it could give them 30+ watts ?
A lot imo, a powerful box that is also nicely executed, is really durable and has innovating electronics doesn't exist.
They could have conquered a great portion of the market by just having a few more watts.
That said, more power to them for sticking to their views and bringing some innovations.
I like the fact that they do their own electronics and don't just put a generic chip in there.
As for myself my Provari has been replaced by mechs 8 months ago, sold it last month with no regrets.
But they seriously harm themselves by not going up to 30W and having an amp limit that low.
Are 20W sufficient for a large portion of vapers ?
Yes, probably for the people still using a Provari right now.
How many other vapers might have considered a P3 if it could give them 30+ watts ?
A lot imo, a powerful box that is also nicely executed, is really durable and has innovating electronics doesn't exist.
They could have conquered a great portion of the market by just having a few more watts.
That said, more power to them for sticking to their views and bringing some innovations.
I like the fact that they do their own electronics and don't just put a generic chip in there.
As for myself my Provari has been replaced by mechs 8 months ago, sold it last month with no regrets.
Btw, P.Busardo's first look at the P3 is a 20 minute commercial for Provape. I was expecting more from such an experience reviewer. I understand 'first look' but a first look at a 'beta' version should not be so biased as what PB offered us.
He never during this 20 minutes mentionned any possible improvements or caveat emptor to a BETA version of a tube mod.
This guy behaved like a paid lackey and I will in the future not rely much on his reviews.
He never during this 20 minutes mentionned any possible improvements or caveat emptor to a BETA version of a tube mod.
This guy behaved like a paid lackey and I will in the future not rely much on his reviews.
Simple answer no. They will still sell a ton and a lot of people will buy and use them. More people are into the casual vaping below 20W then above it so until more people are wanting to vape above 20W which should be never.
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Yes , at 3.1v and 11w which completely defeats the entire reason of building sub ohm coils. And the P3s .7 low end will only go up to 3.5v and 17.5w
The point here is that using Watt regulation you also auto regulate volts to maintain the desired wattage regardless of the changing characteristics of the mod. The vaping qualities remain constant.
This does not happen when using voltage regulation, (like the existing provaris). With VV, the wattage varies with the other variables of the mod as you are vaping thus changing the qualities of the vapor. You then have to constantly re-adjust the voltage. That is a pia for many of us.
A mechanincal mod is full manual, Voltage regulation is like a semi-automatic and Watt regulation is full auto.
This is one of many reasons why many like me were waiting for the new version of the provari.... now I will wait for P4.
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