Is Provape in danger of becoming like Blackberry?

[USMCotaku]

Found another vv mod, the Saber Touch...American made, 5 year warranty

http://vapormoon.com/site/825377d19...ttp://vapormoon.com/Saber_Touch_VariVolt.html

 

[Nuclear Cowboy]

0.7ohms and 20W's. For me that's about perfect for a walk around, all day device. I like/love to drip but that's an in house thing. Once I leave home I run a kayfun and 20W's for me is about perfect, well actually around 0.8 and 18W's to be exact. The 15W limit on the old model was a serious draw back for me. It was fine for my clearo's but once I started using rebuildables it wasn't up to the task for me and I sold it. I like a warm vape and 15W's just doesn't cut it for me.

I mentioned that on another thread a few months back and the fanboy's went into attack mode!

For me it's the 30W models that seem to be the oodball's. 30W's is too hot for a Kayfun but not enough for a satisfying drip. 15W's (for me) isn't enough for a RTA but 20W fits the bill perfectly.

I really like the looks of the P3. I could care less about the new features. After it's setup all I'll do is press the button and make vapor. They all do that.

I could care less who they plan to sell it to first and all the other petty things mentioned so far. I don't feel the need to be the first kid on the block with one anyway. That said, if it comes out at a $300 price or anything close to it for that matter I won't buy one. There are just too many GREAT devices out on the market right now that does it for much less money. I like to buy American but won't get fleeced to do it!

I love Provari threads! Take a moment, then discuss it amongst yourselves.

 

[Katdarling]

Is that the angle or does the mini look like it has put on a few extra pounds(I'm sure if you ask the mini, it'll tell you that it always looks fatter in pictures)


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A vertical color fade would have been more slimming.

And let's not forget it's wearing white! (steve, can you still use that mini post Labor Day?)

 

[stevegmu]

And let's not forget it's wearing white! (steve, can you still use that mini post Labor Day?)

Yes, but only with the black 18490 cap...

 

[The Ocelot]

Probably correct. Keeping the form factor (which is important) probably drove the 20W. Surprised they have not branched out to include a Provari box version. I'd be interested.

I want it designed so there is a choice of using it in bottom-feeder mode.

 

[The Ocelot]

And let's not forget it's wearing white! (steve, can you still use that mini post Labor Day?)

I thought that was primarily about shoes, at least contemporarily. I imagine it was originally tied in with the Church. For some reason not wearing white until Easter springs to mind...from somewhere in the recesses. Pun unintentional, but acknowledged.

 

[Vlad1]

It seems like your toppers may be the issue, rather than the power delivery system, but vaping is different for everyone. I quit using a Halo Triton starter kit and stayed quit. I ventured out of the Halo universe to try out different toppers and ProVari was the only logical choice for me. American made means a lot to me. I tried a lot of toppers since then. Love my Kayfun, but my everyday vapes are IBTanks. I get more than enough throat hit and flavor with 2.0 ohm coils at 3.7-4.2v- depending on the juice, to satisfy me.

My guess is those who require very high power are not the norm.

For most of the naysayers, though, it just seems to come down to cost. Not everyone can afford or justify the expense of Allen Edmonds shoes, either, but myself and enough people do keep the company in business...

I don't think I have an issue at all. I think I've found what I like to vape although I have been through several toppers and mods to get there, Evod, Protank II, Davide, A couple DCT's, Trident V2, IGO w-3, And now I'm currently using Atomic's and Fogger V4's drilled out that is doing pretty well for me.

I honestly don't understand how you can get a satisfying vape at 6.8-8.8 watts. Anytime I've tried going that low I wait forever for it to heat up and then draw on it forever even then the vapor production just isn't there to give me the hit I need. It's like sucking on a super extra light cigarette filled with nothing but paper to me. Do you draw like you did with a cigarette? "assuming your an x-smoker" or does it take like 15 seconds to get a good draw? I mean I could get a good draw off of cigarettes in 2-3 seconds and be good, kinda want the same experience with an e-cig.

As for being a naysayer? I don't know perhaps I am but at this point it's not due to cost or justification it would be due to the device not delivering what I'm looking for. I mean even if you threw down $300.00 and said here choose a P3 or one of those 30+ watt devices over there I would choose one of those 30+ watt devices not the P3.

 

[Katdarling]

I don't think I have an issue at all. I think I've found what I like to vape although I have been through several toppers and mods to get there, Evod, Protank II, Davide, A couple DCT's, Trident V2, IGO w-3, And now I'm currently using Atomic's and Fogger V4's drilled out that is doing pretty well for me.

I honestly don't understand how you can get a satisfying vape at 6.8-8.8 watts. Anytime I've tried going that low I wait forever for it to heat up and then draw on it forever even then the vapor production just isn't there to give me the hit I need. It's like sucking on a super extra light cigarette filled with nothing but paper to me. Do you draw like you did with a cigarette? "assuming your an x-smoker" or does it take like 15 seconds to get a good draw? I mean I could get a good draw off of cigarettes in 2-3 seconds and be good, kinda want the same experience with an e-cig.

As for being a naysayer? I don't know perhaps I am but at this point it's not due to cost or justification it would be due to the device not delivering what I'm looking for. I mean even if you threw down $300.00 and said here choose a P3 or one of those 30+ watt devices over there I would choose one of those 30+ watt devices not the P3.

You bring up an interesting point. There ARE, believe it or not, some of us who vape QUITE happily in that wattage range. I usually stick around the 9ish watt level, but sometimes, when I'm feeling particularly saucy, I'll crank it up to 10!

Seriously, tho... for me the vape delivered is just perfect in terms of it doing what I wanted it to do: mimic my smoking. I do tend to draw on my ecigs in very much the same way I smoked, and yes, even with that "low" wattage, the vape is just right for me. Then again, I'm using karto tanks and the newest in klearo koils, and the occasional dripper.

It's all about a fashion sense. Your topper and your bottom(er) need to match.

 

[stevegmu]

I don't think I have an issue at all. I think I've found what I like to vape although I have been through several toppers and mods to get there, Evod, Protank II, Davide, A couple DCT's, Trident V2, IGO w-3, And now I'm currently using Atomic's and Fogger V4's drilled out that is doing pretty well for me.

I honestly don't understand how you can get a satisfying vape at 6.8-8.8 watts. Anytime I've tried going that low I wait forever for it to heat up and then draw on it forever even then the vapor production just isn't there to give me the hit I need. It's like sucking on a super extra light cigarette filled with nothing but paper to me. Do you draw like you did with a cigarette? "assuming your an x-smoker" or does it take like 15 seconds to get a good draw? I mean I could get a good draw off of cigarettes in 2-3 seconds and be good, kinda want the same experience with an e-cig.

As for being a naysayer? I don't know perhaps I am but at this point it's not due to cost or justification it would be due to the device not delivering what I'm looking for. I mean even if you threw down $300.00 and said here choose a P3 or one of those 30+ watt devices over there I would choose one of those 30+ watt devices not the P3.

I smoked for 20 years. Mostly full flavored and stuffed my own the last 3 years with Kentucky Select Organic- which most smokers who have tried miine said is far to harsh.

I take a primer draw if I haven't taken a draw in a while, then 5 or so second draw and get great throat hit, flavor, taste and more than enough vapor production. I do use 24mg and mostly Halo juices, which are high in PG. I vape just like I smoked. I recently smoked a cigarette and didn't get anything out of it, but smokers who used my mods thought they were too harsh...

ProVari just isn't for you, but I'll wager even the 2.5 is more than enough power for the average vaper. I get a great vape out of a ProVape-1...

 

[DavidOH]

I want it designed so there is a choice of using it in bottom-feeder mode.

Now that might be kinda cool. I'd have to think about trying one like that.

 

[Technonut]

I honestly don't understand how you can get a satisfying vape at 6.8-8.8 watts. Anytime I've tried going that low I wait forever for it to heat up and then draw on it forever even then the vapor production just isn't there to give me the hit I need. It's like sucking on a super extra light cigarette filled with nothing but paper to me. Do you draw like you did with a cigarette? "assuming your an x-smoker" or does it take like 15 seconds to get a good draw? I mean I could get a good draw off of cigarettes in 2-3 seconds and be good, kinda want the same experience with an e-cig.

It's easy.. Use thin gauge wire for builds.. Most of us who have been vaping for around 4 years totally quit smoking using cig-a-likes with atomizers, and foam-filled cartridges. Rebuildables were but a dream for years.

I generally do not like to blow vape clouds larger than when I smoked cigs / cigars.. I still hang out with friends who smoke, and think it would be rude to blow copious vape clouds around them, or others for that matter. Color me "old-school", but I still am very much satisfied anywhere between 7-12 watts between my various toppers.. Sometimes, even lower than that depending upon the juice.

I know folks are different... It's just difficult for me to understand people needing these bellowing clouds to be satisfied. Hell, I see more and more reviewers coughing their heads off with some of these builds. I'm into this journey for harm-reduction, and a *substitute* for tobacco smoking.. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Vlad1]

I smoked for 20 years. Mostly full flavored and stuffed my own the last 3 years with Kentucky Select Organic- which most smokers who have tried miine said is far to harsh.

I take a primer draw if I haven't taken a draw in a while, then 5 or so second draw and get great throat hit, flavor, taste and more than enough vapor production. I do use 24mg and mostly Halo juices, which are high in PG. I vape just like I smoked. I recently smoked a cigarette and didn't get anything out of it, but smokers who used my mods thought they were too harsh...

ProVari just isn't for you, but I'll wager even the 2.5 is more than enough power for the average vaper. I get a great vape out of a ProVape-1...

Yea there's quite a difference in how you vape. I don't mind having to do a prime occasionally but a 5 sec draw is probably twice as long as I did on cigarettes. I do use mostly 80/20 pg/vg just so I don't need to prime as much and a 2-3 sec drag makes me a happy camper.

 

[The Ocelot]

It's easy.. Use thin gauge wire for builds.. Most of us who have been vaping for around 4 years totally quit smoking using cig-a-likes with atomizers, and foam-filled cartridges. Rebuildables were but a dream for years.

I generally do not like to blow vape clouds larger than when I smoked cigs / cigars.. I still hang out with friends who smoke, and think it would be rude to blow copious vape clouds around them, or others for that matter. Color me "old-school", but I still am very much satisfied anywhere between 7-12 watts between my various toppers.. Sometimes, even lower than that depending upon the juice.

I know folks are different... It's just difficult for me to understand people needing these bellowing clouds to be satisfied. Hell, I see more and more reviewers coughing their heads off with some of these builds. I'm into this journey for harm-reduction, and a *substitute* for tobacco smoking.. Nothing more, nothing less.

Over 12 watts and the tea bag burns.

 

[Vlad1]

It's easy.. Use thin gauge wire for builds.. Most of us who have been vaping for around 4 years totally quit smoking using cig-a-likes with atomizers, and foam-filled cartridges. Rebuildables were but a dream for years.

I generally do not like to blow vape clouds larger than when I smoked cigs / cigars.. I still hang out with friends who smoke, and think it would be rude to blow copious vape clouds around them, or others for that matter. Color me "old-school", but I still am very much satisfied anywhere between 7-12 watts between my various toppers.. Sometimes, even lower than that depending upon the juice.

I know folks are different... It's just difficult for me to understand people needing these bellowing clouds to be satisfied. Hell, I see more and more reviewers coughing their heads off with some of these builds. I'm into this journey for harm-reduction, and a *substitute* for tobacco smoking.. Nothing more, nothing less.

I've done builds with as small as 32 gauge kanthal how thin do you have to go? I started on a kr808 which I consider a cig-a-like and it lasted a short time before I put it down and went back to cigarettes. A year later I tried an Ego-C it lasted a bit longer but still didn't cut it for me so it went into the same pile as the 808, then a Siegeli Zmax V5, then a mechanical, then a DNA 30 which is where I'm at now. As you can see there has been several gradual progressions until I'm comfortable where I'm at. I just wish I had bypassed all the lower watt devices to begin with and saved myself a lot of time and money. Maybe I'll go back and build some 2Ω 32 gauge coils and try it again but I'm skeptical that anything's changed.

As for blowing huge clouds. That has nothing to do with it for me. I could care less if I exhale any certain amount of visible vapor or none at all. To me it's all about the physical requirement of holding it to my mouth for 10-15 sec or even 5 seconds in stevegmu's case or heating it up prior to the draw, priming it etc. And it's about the physical feeling I get in my throat & chest. I know I'm greedy but I want it to be so similar to how I smoked that I don't know I'm not smoking .

 

[Baditude]

 

[Technonut]

I've done builds with as small as 32 gauge kanthal how thin do you have to go? I started on a kr808 which I consider a cig-a-like and it lasted a short time before I put it down and went back to cigarettes. A year later I tried an Ego-C it lasted a bit longer but still didn't cut it for me so it went into the same pile as the 808, then a Siegeli Zmax V5, then a mechanical, then a DNA 30 which is where I'm at now. As you can see there has been several gradual progressions until I'm comfortable where I'm at. I just wish I had bypassed all the lower watt devices to begin with and saved myself a lot of time and money. Maybe I'll go back and build some 2Ω 32 gauge coils and try it again but I'm skeptical that anything's changed.

As for blowing huge clouds. That has nothing to do with it for me. I could care less if I exhale any certain amount of visible vapor or none at all. To me it's all about the physical requirement of holding it to my mouth for 10-15 sec or even 5 seconds in stevegmu's case or heating it up prior to the draw, priming it etc. And it's about the physical feeling I get in my throat & chest. I know I'm greedy but I want it to be so similar to how I smoked that I don't know I'm not smoking .

The thinner the gauge wire, the quicker the heat-up time.. There's also raising nic levels.. I just timed draws for me using a VV REO Grand, which was converted to mechanical or Evolv Kick 2 use with an 18650. I'm running an AWG 30 coil @ 1.5 ohms in a Sophia By Leo RBA @ 8 watts... 3 seconds gives me a decent cig-like exhale, 5 seconds gives me a nice, rich draw, with more than enough exhale.. Quite satisfying to me.

Like I said, everyone's different.. Whatever keeps you off of the smokes, as long it's not proven to be harmful.. (There is a reason behind the coughing and raspy voices many of the cloud-chasers seem to have, and IMO, I don't think it's a good thing)

 

[EuroChris]

I think the flavor goes away if it gets too hot, so I prefer to stay between 10-14w on a single coil RTA.

I don't use drippers, but I'm going to get the Magma this or next month. I'll probably go higher on that.

 

[DavidOH]

The vapor that satisfies you is the key. For some it's 15 watts and under. For others it's 15 watts and over. Everyone has what they like and it means nothing to anyone else. If someone likes a cooler vape and it works for them then great. I'm glad they found what they like. I don't look down on anybody that has found what works for them or is still looking. I'll gladly tell them what works for me but I won't push them to do the same. If I can help them with what I have learned I will. I don't suggest someone get a Provari or a Reo or the XPV that I use. If I'm was to be asked about a Provari or a Reo I'd tell them They are good mods and if they are interested they should check them out but I haven't owned one. These mods are for advanced users IMO. And should not be suggested for new vapers.

I don't own a Provari and don't plain on owning one. It's not for me. So I don't post in Provari threads. But this thread isn't about the Provari it's about Provape the company. Is Provape a good company? Of course they are or they wouldn't still be in business. But they are not the only good company that makes vape related products. I feel they have made a couple errors regarding the P3 but I could be wrong. Truth is I hope I am wrong and they sell a lot of them. I watched both of the PB factory tours. Provape and Evolv and I enjoyed both. But for future planning I have to give Evolv the edge. They're ramping up for future production and looking at expanding the product line. I hope that Provape is looking at the same thing. But at the moment it doesn't look like they are. But maybe they didn't show that in the tour. Just my

FYI In Todds vlog he has a P3 and gives his first thoughts. You only need to watch the first 10 mins if your interested.

 

[DavidOH]

I use ribbon wire and cellucotton for my builds. I like it better than round wire. More surface area for the juice. And you can't run higher watts with some juices. I use HHV NETS and they taste better to me at higher watts. But some like them at lower watts. What ever floats you boat as the saying goes.

 

[Ed_C]

If the use of 18350 batteries at over 20W is the issue, they dropped the ball in not explaining their rationale. If they had lead with a statement that said something like, "because we feel that the small form factor that is associated with the use of 18350 batteries is of importance to our customers, we have decided limit the wattage to a level that is safe to use with these lower amp-limit batteries", they would have avoided much of the criticism.