is retail juice a sustainable business?
- Thread starter Tee_Jay
- Start date
- th_trl_thread_readers 0
- Status
They are Not Offending Me.
I just am Not Sure how applicable some of what you say is? Or that Agree with some of your Reasoning/Conclusions.
This is SO true. I am fortunate now to be accepted among my smoker co-workers (1 is now dual using which is a HUGE step for her). I never bring up the various topics of vaping unless asked and never elaborate unless I sense a genuine interest but when this co-worker asked what eliquids I used I blurted out "Oh, I make my own!". Without any of them saying a word - just blank stares - I knew they needed more information to process the idea...and I didn't have the energy to explain in detail.
I immediately remembered my attempt to explain coil building when I took my REO with a Nuppin to work - had a .5ohm SS coil with ReadyxWick loaded. You would have thought I had bombs strapped around my body the way they jumped away from me when I took the top cap off to show the new vaper (cig-a-like user so yeah I get the fear, truly I do. Our way of vaping can be intimidating to say the least). After exclaiming "Are you trying to kill yourself!? I hope you dont have that on you inside the store!"... I stopped sharing my hobby outside of the safety of this and other vapers havens.
I can't help but wonder if any shop will be mixing e-liquid or any e-liquid manufacturer will be supplying e-liquid for others to sell if the FDA has their way. I guess we'll find out in the very near future... 
Nicoticket going out of business!
Nicoticket going out of business!It seems like you think i'm saying something i'm not saying - but i am no doubt not making my case well!
Consider that the price of ejuice at most brick/mortar vape shops is more or less constant.
Where i live, it's about 20$/30 ml. This is regardless of nic content, flavour. In fact, a 30 ml bottle of flavourless, 0 nic juice at any local vape shop here is 20$.
The dilemma i'm pointing out is highlighted by asking why that is. It's value is about 1$.. that would give the shop about 300% markup. I think that the answer is that they just can't sell it for 1$. If they sold 0/flavourless for 1$, us addicts would all buy a 24 mg bottle, and cut it down to 3 mg, making 8 times the juice for 20$+7x1$= 27$ rather than come back 7 times to get another 20 ml bottle of 3 mg at 20$ a pop for 200$ in total.
That's not DIY. It's not equivalent at all to rolling 100's of cigs, or building your own house. It's more akin to making lemonade from concentrate. People do that and they're not even addicts.
But we ARE addicts. we need nicotine to feel normal. we might like to vape nice tasting specialty flavours, but at 20$ a pop, once a week or so, most addicts will vape (very) palatable vg for 20% the current cost if all they have to do is pour 8 little bottles into one bigger one. hence, vape shops sell 0 nic flavourless at $20/30 ml, and hope people don't catch on. when that basic knowledge becomes common knowledge, they'll have to change the model because it won't work any more. too many people will opt for (next to) 'free' juice rather than pay 20 a pop. And that's not DIY.
When you smoked, would you not have smoked camels for 2$ a pack instead of John Player Special at 10$/pack if it were an option?
I think that's a very real fear, but let me ask you: do you want to be the politician that outlaws vaping liquid without outlawing tobacco?I can't help but wonder if any shop will be mixing e-liquid or any e-liquid manufacturer will be supplying e-liquid for others to sell if the FDA has their way. I guess we'll find out in the very near future...
Or, if you want tobacco to also be illegal how would you defeat Big Tobacco?
With the PMTA requirements due to go into effect within a couple of months, many e-liquid manufacturers will probably bail instead of having the do the mountain of paperwork and huge expenditures to jump through the FDAs hoops. Nicoticket is just the beginning and I expect more to close shop as the end of December nears.
It seems like you think i'm saying something i'm not saying - but i am no doubt not making my case well!
Consider that the price of ejuice at most brick/mortar vape shops is more or less constant.
Where i live, it's about 20$/30 ml. This is regardless of nic content, flavour. In fact, a 30 ml bottle of flavourless, 0 nic juice at any local vape shop here is 20$.
The dilemma i'm pointing out is highlighted by asking why that is. It's value is about 1$.. that would give the shop about 300% markup.
I think this sort of statement is where we disagree; its value is the price the market will bear, not a math formula. It makes the rest of your argument fall apart when the premise is wrong.
Can you provide a citation for any of the above? Even just a business truism would help, but I don't think the statement can be supported. I can assure you literally no one is buying 100 proof Abelour and cutting it with water to bring it down to Jim Beam's alcohol level.
The basic knowledge of liquor making has been general knowledge for thousands of years...
Me? No. Some people, sure. Enough people to hurt RJReynolds, evidently not. Constellations Brands? No. E.J. Gallo? Nope. Etc? Nope.
There are other markets - like here in Canada, and there's free trade and all so they can export it here, and people will likely find ways to send it back to you
We're lucky here (i think). It seems like our gov might be taking a more measured approach..
I've seen alcoholics drink AquaVelva. I've seen smokers collecting butts and rolling them.. Surely, given access, some chronic alcoholics have done what you are saying.. Some have probably hurt themselves doing it badly.
I think you're right, but that's not the point. The point is: a tiny niche in the market is not a factor. Do you want to start a business targeting gutter-.... rollers? I don't think you do.
In fact, I'll take your original point of "is it a sustainable business?". Nope, not if you are targeting gutter-.... rollers, but yes if you target a desirable market.
No.. I just find it interesting that 0 nic, flavourless is 20$/30 ml bottle at vape shops.
It seems like you think i'm saying something i'm not saying - but i am no doubt not making my case well!
Consider that the price of ejuice at most brick/mortar vape shops is more or less constant.
Where i live, it's about 20$/30 ml. This is regardless of nic content, flavour. In fact, a 30 ml bottle of flavourless, 0 nic juice at any local vape shop here is 20$.
The dilemma i'm pointing out is highlighted by asking why that is. It's value is about 1$.. that would give the shop about 300% markup. I think that the answer is that they just can't sell it for 1$. If they sold 0/flavourless for 1$, us addicts would all buy a 24 mg bottle, and cut it down to 3 mg, making 8 times the juice for 20$+7x1$= 27$ rather than come back 7 times to get another 20 ml bottle of 3 mg at 20$ a pop for 200$ in total.
That's not DIY. It's not equivalent at all to rolling 100's of cigs, or building your own house. It's more akin to making lemonade from concentrate. People do that and they're not even addicts.
But we ARE addicts. we need nicotine to feel normal. we might like to vape nice tasting specialty flavours, but at 20$ a pop, once a week or so, most addicts will vape (very) palatable vg for 20% the current cost if all they have to do is pour 8 little bottles into one bigger one. hence, vape shops sell 0 nic flavourless at $20/30 ml, and hope people don't catch on. when that basic knowledge becomes common knowledge, they'll have to change the model because it won't work any more. too many people will opt for (next to) 'free' juice rather than pay 20 a pop. And that's not DIY.
When you smoked, would you not have smoked camels for 2$ a pack instead of John Player Special at 10$/pack if it were an option?
First of All, the Value of any Product in a Free Market (where there is Competition) is what a Buyer is willing to Pay for the Product. That might be a Product with a 3% Markup. Or it might be a 300% Markup.
So I see No Dilemma.
If Buyer's are Willing to pay $20 for 30ml of Unflavored 3mg/ml e-Liquid, why is this a Problem?
It's not a problem for me. I see nothing 'wrong' about it.. but i think it will be a dilemma for vape shops one day.. That's all..
Right.. we'll you guys are in the US, so the pricing you see is different from here.. That's what people pay here.
- Status
