Is this correct?

[Aheadatime]

I've been avoiding flavor concentrates that are heavily alcohol based, moreso those that require higher percentages to achieve the desired flavor (anything above 5%). My thinking is as follows -

Alcohol evaporates out of the mix. Lets say I mixed 10% alcohol flavor A into a 10ml mix, making 1ml of it alcohol in theory. When that evaporates, I only have a 9ml bottle of whatever, which isn't a big deal. The issue is that now that all that alcohol is evaporating, it changes the flavor %'s I intended on with the initial 10ml idea in mind, given that I'm left with 9ml of "usable juice". Lets say 20% flavoring for the 10ml sample equates to 2ml. That 2ml now equates to 2.2222% flavoring since the size of the batch is now 9ml.

Is that too detailed to matter? Does the alcohol not evaporate as thoroughly as we believe? Is the 'alcohol based flavor' not entirely alcohol, making it so that less than the full ml gets evaporated?

 

[we2rcool]

In theory? or in reality? I mean, if you add 1ml of alcohol-based flavor to a bottle that ends up being 10ml of fluid...and then leave the lid off it for X amount of time, does the level of fluid actually change? If so, how much does it change? Does the 'base' make a difference? (VG or PG?)

I've read that if one leaves a half bottle of VG/PG open to the air, that the fluid level inside the bottle will INCREASE (due to the fact that both are humectants - substances that draw water to them - and they draw water out of the air to themselves).

So if we "air out" a bottle of e-juice we've made and X amount of alcohol evaporates, does Y amount of water replace it (due to the humectant qualities of the VG/PG)?

::::grinning::: I just LOVE opening up Pandora's boxes!

 

[Hoosier]

Unless you live in Death Valley without a swamp cooler, I'm going to bet we2rcool's suggestion of more water going in than alcohol going out will be the case.

I would have said you're overthinking it, but since my reasoning for why it is being overthought is already in the thread, I'll leave that out.

(Swamp coolers don't work worth a bean in Indiana if anyone is wondering.)

 

[Chas_L]

(Swamp coolers don't work worth a bean in Indiana if anyone is wondering.)

They do if you live in a glass house.

It is know for being hot and humid here in the south during the summer and years ago I owned / operated a greehouse which used a Swamp Cooler and it worked great but then one desires a moist atmosphere in a greehouse for most plants.

 

[Hoosier]

I wouldn't mind living an a glass house, but my wife would be aghast. She seems a bit concerned with my lack of modesty as it is...

 

[dannyv45]

I've been avoiding flavor concentrates that are heavily alcohol based, moreso those that require higher percentages to achieve the desired flavor (anything above 5%). My thinking is as follows -

Alcohol evaporates out of the mix. Lets say I mixed 10% alcohol flavor A into a 10ml mix, making 1ml of it alcohol in theory. When that evaporates, I only have a 9ml bottle of whatever, which isn't a big deal. The issue is that now that all that alcohol is evaporating, it changes the flavor %'s I intended on with the initial 10ml idea in mind, given that I'm left with 9ml of "usable juice". Lets say 20% flavoring for the 10ml sample equates to 2ml. That 2ml now equates to 2.2222% flavoring since the size of the batch is now 9ml.

Is that too detailed to matter? Does the alcohol not evaporate as thoroughly as we believe? Is the 'alcohol based flavor' not entirely alcohol, making it so that less than the full ml gets evaporated?

I think your over thinking this. The first thing I would ask myself after making the mix is. Does it taste good? If the answer is yes I would leave it at that.

 

[Aheadatime]

Thanks for the peace of mind guys. I think I'll just keep it simple and treat the batches with alcohol as any other batch. Easier on the math.

 

[dannyv45]

I treat my alcohol as any other flavor and the only difference is if there is an alcohol taste I leave the cap off for 24 hours.

 

[FinallyQuit]

I wonder exactly how much alcohol evaporates anyway. I soak my T3/Evod heads in vodka for 24 hours before rewicking or rebuilding if necessary. In a shallow bowl with a very large mouth, with enough liquid to cover the entire surface of the coil heads. After 24 hours there is no liquid missing from the bowl. One day I skipped and it was more like 48 hours, still no difference.

In an eliquid bottle, with a tiny-mouthed opening, I have to wonder just exactly how much evaporation would take place.

 

[dannyv45]

I'm not so sure if it's actually the amount of alcohol that evaporates as it is getting rid of the alcohol odor. Quite frankly for the few times I actually did it I really didn't notice any difference at all. And I'm sure what ever alcohol is left in the mix will be burned off when vaped. So unless the vaping hardware is going to blow up in my face as I vape I'm not really concerned about it. I've herd of a few batteries blowing up while charging but never herd of a vaporizer blowing up while vaping.

 

[FinallyQuit]

I just can't tolerate the alcohol. I used to buy and tried very hard to love Virgin Vapor liquids. They were all very harsh and burnt my mouth and throat, no matter how long they were steeped. Of course this was before I discovered the joys of variable voltage/wattage, so it was all vaped at 3.2 v on an ego-T. Horrible horrible stuff. I stay far away from flavors suspended in alcohol now. . .

 

[Chas_L]

A search on explosions will turn up many I am fairly sure. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ng/72861-warning-regarding-cr2-batteries.html

There ws a local news story complete with video of the aftermath a couple of weeks ago. According tonews report lady had here ecig setting on a desk and it went thermal ,batter vented mdevice sot across the room on the floorand scorched carpet and hardwood flooring. She was home and was able to put out the fire.

I have many years experience with all types of rechargable batteries and their chargers. I have tested batteries and chargers for numerious manufactures and vendors .

If a low quality charger is used, if a non-protected battery is used , if a Mod is used which does not contain over volatge,under voltage , overcurret, reverse polatity protection then yes the danger level are increased.

These Li batteries are made in China as are most of the ecig devices. Sometimes quality control is not the best. There are reports ofsome vendors taking used Liion cells from used Laptop batteries and relabeling / recycling them. I recently tested t a four pack of 3,000 mAh Liion .The best one delivered 956 mAh and the worste on 79 mAh(seventy nine) . These were labeled Ultra Fire . I am aware of the post on how bad Ultra Fire Liion are however in years past this brand in 3,000 mAh capacity performed extremly well. Those who are curious perhaps visit CPF (candle power forum) . FYI years ago there were counterfit Sanyo AA NiMh which were of extremly poor quality so really nothing new going on.

If anyone is interested in a series of test on multi samples .
Note not my testing.

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/10372